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Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 4:45:09 AM   
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There is, I think, a curious reversal of roles on sites such as this one.  On one hand, the women supposedly seeking a Dominant partner are submissive in nature and seeking dominion.  On the other, they are here selective and gain power in excluding those they arbitrarilly choose to ignor.  While consent is a byword to the lifestyle, how do supposedly submissive women justify in their own minds the power to play "the ole' game" of sex as a form of currency?
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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 4:49:01 AM   
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Because I'm submissive I can't be choosy who I submit to???
Get real. 

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 4:51:56 AM   
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Yeah I agree with Aileen, some people take this lifestyle too far. 

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 4:53:03 AM   
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Your arguement would imply that not only should all submissives be the same but that all Dominants should be the same and require exactly the same service.  It implys that no one is an individual with individual needs, desires, requirements, or preferences.

It would imply that all Dominants should accept any and all submissives who offer themselves.

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 4:56:37 AM   
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Submissive doesn't equal desperate.  If we summitted to  every guy who said he was dominant,(not to mention the "Dominate" ones) how dumb would we be? And in my opinion, dumb = useless.

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 5:05:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: buddyboy22222

There is, I think, a curious reversal of roles on sites such as this one.  On one hand, the women supposedly seeking a Dominant partner are submissive in nature and seeking dominion.  On the other, they are here selective and gain power in excluding those they arbitrarilly choose to ignor.  While consent is a byword to the lifestyle, how do supposedly submissive women justify in their own minds the power to play "the ole' game" of sex as a form of currency?

Sorrry to come across as having a brain.........
but do I have to say this again????
It's because I am not in a dynamic with a bloody forum!
ed. to say: Now in real time if you had a cane to my arse it would be different.
It's finding the right cane would be a problem might I suggest?


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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 5:08:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Your arguement would imply that not only should all submissives be the same but that all Dominants should be the same and require exactly the same service.  It implys that no one is an individual with individual needs, desires, requirements, or preferences.

It would imply that all Dominants should accept any and all submissives who offer themselves.

It would also imply that a submissive would accept all Dominants who solicited them and I just don't have enough hours in the day...............

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 5:20:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: buddyboy22222

There is, I think, a curious reversal of roles on sites such as this one.  On one hand, the women supposedly seeking a Dominant partner are submissive in nature and seeking dominion.  On the other, they are here selective and gain power in excluding those they arbitrarilly choose to ignor.  While consent is a byword to the lifestyle, how do supposedly submissive women justify in their own minds the power to play "the ole' game" of sex as a form of currency?


So, I'm curious...which is the real "you?" On the one hand we have your very first post here suggesting - heck, stating outright that you're confused as to how supposedly submissive women justify their rationale for talking to some people and not to others, and then, on the other hand, there's this, from your profile:

quote:

buddyboy22222

I am open to either a short or long term relationship, but I have no interest in a women who is indecisive or ambivalent. 


Just in case you've misunderstood, decisiveness would mean that chances are, more often than not, that a decisive submissive is going to say no to someone.

And since, by your own words, you consider submissiveness a "gift so rare" just how do YOU rationalize something being a "gift" if it's just given out willy-nilly to whoever wants to claim they're some sort of dominant?

Perhaps you could answer this?

juliet

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 5:30:42 AM   
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Buddyboy,
 
your question is backwards, actually. Why on earth would a dominant pursue a submissive? There's too many of them out there, and not enough dominants to go around (when you discount the HNGs, the mad and the bad).
 
the notion of "the game" presupposes that men are indiscrimant, that they surrender their power of choice right out of the chute. Which is a pretty poor way to procede, IMO.
 
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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 5:45:26 AM   
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and gain power in excluding those they arbitrarilly choose to ignor

justify in their own minds the power to play "the ole' game" of sex as a form of currency?



The law of averages suggests some will conform to your assumptions; for many though, I'll guess the basis of their selection will be reasonable, i.e. not simply looking for any man, but, rather, a man who meets certain needs.

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 6:43:30 AM   
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Sex is a form of currency?

Welllllllllllll shit fire! I'm going down to the Lexus dealership TODAY!

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 6:46:39 AM   
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Well,women in a lot of western cultures seem to have been trained to see sex as a bargaining tool. Not surprising we see it here too-very nilla. As far as submitting? Most only submit to what they want to begin with-and just go after a Top to facillitate it anyhow.  So of course they have these big shopping lists. Great way to conveniently objectify a relationship.

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 6:50:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: topcat

Buddyboy,
 
your question is backwards, actually. Why on earth would a dominant pursue a submissive? There's too many of them out there, and not enough dominants to go around (when you discount the HNGs, the mad and the bad).
 
the notion of "the game" presupposes that men are indiscrimant, that they surrender their power of choice right out of the chute. Which is a pretty poor way to procede, IMO.
 
Lawrence


You make it sound as though quality submissives grow on trees, you know, there are female HNG too... and desirable mates, whether male or female, are hard to come by....

Not to sound sexist either, but men tend to be the aggressors whether there is an over abundance of women or not in my experience.


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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 7:10:13 AM   
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While I think buddyboy22222 overstates the case, don't you folks think the partner search dynamic in a forum or on a personals site might shift the initial power balance further toward the submissive side than search done out here in meatspace?

(Yes, I know there are many other ways in which the dynamic is different, and particularly that the wider choices available on the internet allow people of all sort to make pickier choices than they might otherwise. But what about this particular difference?)

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 7:19:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: anowner

While I think buddyboy22222 overstates the case, don't you folks think the partner search dynamic in a forum or on a personals site might shift the initial power balance further toward the submissive side than search done out here in meatspace?

(Yes, I know there are many other ways in which the dynamic is different, and particularly that the wider choices available on the internet allow people of all sort to make pickier choices than they might otherwise. But what about this particular difference?)


Oh, I don't know... when I first started this journey, while I never had any man turn me down, generally I found that what they were really after was the sex, not the D/s part of things. During those times, when I'd be fooled, I'd find that once they got that, they had no more use for me. So really, who used sex in that situation? I was hoping for D/s, and believe me, they spoke some very pretty words to get me to that point.

It wasn't until I started realizing that if sex was really the draw, then the clue to finding what I wanted was to NOT engage in that little process. I started being more discerning, more decisive and certainly more picky. It wasn't me withholding sex, it was me getting a clue as to what I wanted in a relationship, and for my money, if more women did that, there'd be a whole lot less problems in relationships that develop out there.

Yes, people come with grocery lists - both dominants and submissives have their own. It's when neither of them have one that makes me nervous. How they handle their respective lists is what makes or breaks a relationship.

Oh, I should say that the man I eventually met who became my Master was incredibly discerning, to the point of being picky. He walked away from me once - it took me two years to get to the point where he thought we might have a chance at doing this right. He was willing to take his time and say "no thank you" when I wasn't, and he was ready to make darn sure I didn't get away once I was. And none of that had to do with sex.

Sex, I can get...it's the D/s that is what mattered. It was the same for him.

juliet

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 7:22:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: anowner

While I think buddyboy22222 overstates the case, don't you folks think the partner search dynamic in a forum or on a personals site might shift the initial power balance further toward the submissive side than search done out here in meatspace?

(Yes, I know there are many other ways in which the dynamic is different, and particularly that the wider choices available on the internet allow people of all sort to make pickier choices than they might otherwise. But what about this particular difference?)


I think that even though the power resides with the submissive before they submit, that without that power to know that they could find other mates, how would the dominant know that the submissive wasn't "settling".

I am one of these submissives that wanted to be courted before I submit. It is just the way I am. In fact I would rather be alone or vanilla than to submit to someone that I had to chase down. I do not like chasing men, it is not something I am comfortable with. Now once I submit, he calls the shots... so even if there is a little of a power imbalance toward the submissive to start with, it does not mean that the submissive has the power once they choose to be submissive to one person.

I do not wake up every day thinking "Oh gee, look at all the emails I get from men who do not read my profile, I think I will dump my Daddy whom I love and adore for one of these guys because obviously doms are a dime a dozen!" It doesn't work that way for me


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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 8:36:58 AM   
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  when I first started this journey, while I never had any man turn me down, generally I found that what they were really after was the sex, not the D/s part of things. During those times, when I'd be fooled, I'd find that once they got that, they had no more use for me. So really, who used sex in that situation? I was hoping for D/s, and believe me, they spoke some very pretty words to get me to that point.

It wasn't until I started realizing that if sex was really the draw, then the clue to finding what I wanted was to NOT engage in that little process. I started being more discerning, more decisive and certainly more picky. It wasn't me withholding sex, it was me getting a clue as to what I wanted in a relationship, and for my money, if more women did that, there'd be a whole lot less problems in relationships that develop out there.

Yes, people come with grocery lists - both dominants and submissives have their own. It's when neither of them have one that makes me nervous. How they handle their respective lists is what makes or breaks a relationship
  Echo!!!  And may i add, when a Dom seems too easily frustrated with a Sub that is selective and wants to be sure, it shows a level of impatience in developing a connection that i find to be indicative of future problems.  But one learns this after getting suckered a few times....

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 8:42:35 AM   
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I'd add something, except the rest of you have pretty well already covered it.  Instead I'll just add two words regarding the OP...

sour grapes

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 8:47:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: buddyboy22222

There is, I think, a curious reversal of roles on sites such as this one.  On one hand, the women supposedly seeking a Dominant partner are submissive in nature and seeking dominion.  On the other, they are here selective and gain power in excluding those they arbitrarilly choose to ignor.  While consent is a byword to the lifestyle, how do supposedly submissive women justify in their own minds the power to play "the ole' game" of sex as a form of currency?

Well, let's see. It's justified by being an ADULT, and making SOUND DECISIONS that will affect the rest of your life.

Or are you so wrapped up in your own importance that you would not wish that the submissive you choose to be with is adult enough to do such a thing?

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RE: Curious dichotomy - 12/30/2007 9:10:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: buddyboy22222

There is, I think, a curious reversal of roles on sites such as this one.  On one hand, the women supposedly seeking a Dominant partner are submissive in nature and seeking dominion.  On the other, they are here selective and gain power in excluding those they arbitrarilly choose to ignor.  While consent is a byword to the lifestyle, how do supposedly submissive women justify in their own minds the power to play "the ole' game" of sex as a form of currency?


Simple.

I'm not yours until I agree to be. Until then, I'm going to be as picky as I can be, and ignore potential partners based on weight, height, color of socks, lack of gamer prowess or anything else I choose. No justification needed.

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