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MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:16:49 AM)

LOL   I never considered olives in scrambled eggs, but I love the oil-packed kalamatas!  Yummmm...what a good idea (and an extra way to sneak in a piquant flavor...which I find so important in food, especially 'diets'.)  Thank you so much!
 
proud, I read the first part of SBD last night...and lots of recipes; I think I've got a better head start on things!  Still, I rather like the idea of REALLY holding back on carbs for a few weeks...to kick-start that Ketosis thang and keep the 'pangs' at bay.  All in all, I eat lots of fresh veggies (and fruits) and generally have kept at least red-meat and certainly fat, at bay.  It's been the CARBS!
 
Later I'll go weigh myself...somehow I think I'm already loosing!  [:)]
 
Oh, and what IS it about the 'Laughing Cow Cheese'?  I'm guessing low-fat, huh?  Well, if I remember correctly, it's kinda creamy and very processed...I might just stick to my harder cheeses; my faves!
 
PS... I love BOTH your 'sig lines'; you're a thinker!  Nice...

edited to add:

Me too, missjan, me too!  Most of the folks here are just awesome!  I find it so helpful when experienced people are willing to share what they know...it's...encouraging!!! 




CalifChick -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 10:31:51 AM)

Beverly, fruit is high in natural sugar, which means carbs.  Generally, blueberries are the lowest.  One of my "treats" is frozen blueberries, splash on some milk or cream, which freezes, stir it up so it's slushy, a little artificial sweetener, and a blob of cool whip.  Yummy.

Cali




MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 10:57:09 AM)

Thanks, Cali...that's why I put 'fruits' in parens........I'm gonna have to cut wayyyyyyyy back on them!
 
I should look into some slushes and such... I even have some protien powder!
 
I love frozen blueberries: I buy them on sale and freeze on a cookie sheet...I just eat 'em frozen; like candy.  Course, I like the dried ones even better; WAS putting them in my oatmeal.
 
<sigh> oatmeal...  Once I discovered you can use instant oatmeal just like those packets (but sans all the sugar) it was my standard breakfast!
 
I just finished a green salad with one can solid-white tuna, perhaps 2 T carrot, 2T celery 1/2 a small avocado and maybe 1T chopped jalapeno, all topped with some good olive oil and balsamic vinegar.  Yummie!
 
After work, I'm gonna go load up on REAL eggs, steak (I have chicken at home), porkchops, etc....as well as get some real cream for my coffee!
 
Thank you so much, Cali...for your encouragement!  I really appreciate it.   I'm gonna go read some of the links Level left, too.......what ol' DrB said about the whole Paleo thing is really interesting  (short term, LOL)
 
B




proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 11:59:08 AM)

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<sigh> oatmeal...  Once I discovered you can use instant oatmeal just like those packets (but sans all the sugar) it was my standard breakfast!


If you find you must have your oatmeal after you detox, be sure it's steel cut or whole grain, not the instant.  Instant oatmeal is processed and digests much faster and thus raises your blood sugars. SB allows steel cut and whole oats but not instant in phase 2.




MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 12:31:24 PM)

Arrgggggggggggggggg!!!    LOL  ...ya got to be a scientist to do this right!
 
Okay, okay, okay (she says in her best Pesci imitation), while the oats I was eating ARE quick-cooking oats and not the instant stuff out of little packets with tons of sugar, I have no idea if they are steel cut or not!  Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhh 
 
Well, it’s gonna be awhile before I get to eat them again…if ever I do…cuz I’m REALLY cutting back on carbs and going for the protein and fats for now.  Like you probably feel, proud, I am afraid of too much fat, but I’m going to go back to eating regular eggs much of the time and certainly not be afraid of adding a pat of butter or a bit of cheese to my veggies (when I add some back in).
 
I read some stuff on the fake sugar, too.  While I pretty much cut out white sugar and don’t use it in coffee or tea at all, for example…I also didn’t go to the fake stuff.  I bought a bag of Splenda and just don’t like the taste…  Give me honey, anyday… but not for a couple months!  LOL
 
B




lauren0221 -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 12:40:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

I read some stuff on the fake sugar, too.  While I pretty much cut out white sugar and don’t use it in coffee or tea at all, for example…I also didn’t go to the fake stuff.  I bought a bag of Splenda and just don’t like the taste…  Give me honey, anyday… but not for a couple months!  LOL
 
B


Not to make you arrrgghh again, but there are some healthy low/no carb sweeeteners out there. Splenda does taste good to me usually, but gives me headaches, and I try to stay as natural as possible in any case. Stevia is a good sweetener. Xylitol is good as well, there are also some Lo-Han based sweeteners that taste so good and sugar'y I worry that they're too good to be true:)




MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 1:49:56 PM)

 
Stevia...that's a plant I've seen!!!  Yes, generally the artificial sweeteners give me headaches.  I seldom drink soda, but remember once drinking 2-3 diet sodas at a friend's home..............ugg; what that fake stuff did to my tummy!  Even sugarless gum...if I eat too many pieces in a day (as I USED to do)...well, lets just say flatulance is a polite word!
 
I'll read up on Xylitol and Lo-Han.............. and hopefully find they're not chemicals.  Actually, Stevia is on my list.
 
Thanks lauren!!!




MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 2:21:02 PM)

 
Have I lost my mind?  I went to go read up about Dr B, the Paleo diet, etc...that Level left links for; and they're GONE!
 
I remember leaving a link to a whole bunch of threads here...regarding Low Carb...and that post is gone too!
 
Waddup???




Level -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 3:24:34 PM)

First, kudos to cali, lauren, and proud; three very bright ladies, being very helpful.

Links..... here are a few:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=HPIB,HPIB:2005-21,HPIB:en&q=what+if+it%27s+all+been+a+big+fat+lie

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike

http://www.atkins.com/articles/nutritional-approach

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/aboutus

http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/recipes.html





Level -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 3:57:29 PM)

How to do Atkins, the original, 1972 version:

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During the first week on this diet, you cut your intake of carbohydrates down to what is biologically zero.

This creates a unique chemical situation in the body, the one favorable to the fastest possible burning of your body’s stored fat. Ketones are excreted, and hunger disappears.
You see, the first fuel your body burns for energy comes from the carbohydrates you eat and drink. If any carbohydrate is available, your body burns this rather than stored fat-and maintains its old metabolic pathways. But carbohydrates, as such, are not stored in the body beyond forty-eight hours.

So when no carbohydrate is taken in, your body must draw upon the major reserve source of fuel-the stored fat.

It is forced to take a different metabolic pathway. In this process your body converts from being a carbohydrate-burning engine.

This is The Diet Revolution: the new chemical situation in which ketones are being thrown off-and so are those unwanted pounds, all without hunger.

A gradual addition of carbohydrate to keep your body burning it’s fat as fuel. We must maintain this chemical situation if you’re to continue to lose without hunger. And if we add carbohydrate very gradually in tiny amounts-we can do just this… keep your body converted into a fat-burning engine.

So that is just what we do. The second week you might add a few grams of carbohydrate to your diet. Every week thereafter a little more carbohydrate (around five grams) may be returned to the diet.

The Rules of Original Atkins

The Diet Revolution Rules (Level One)


1. Don’t count calories
2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.
3. Don’t eat when you are not hungry.
4. Don’t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it is there.
5. Drink as much water or calorie free beverages as thirst requires. Don’t restrict fluids… but it is not necessary to force them either.
6. Frequent small meals are preferable.
7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.
8. Everyday take a high-strength multivitamin pill.
9. Read the labels on “low-calorie” drinks, syrups, desserts,. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

The First Life-Changing Week, eat nothing that is not on the list.


Meat: Steaks, Corned beef, Lamb chops, tongue, Hamburgers, Bacon, Any kind of meat in any quantity—except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged “cold cuts”

Fowl: Duckling, Turkey, Chicken, Anything with wings, No stuffing

Desserts: Gelatin with artificial sweeteners (e.g., D-Zerta [is that still around?])

Condiments: Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla, and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that contains no sugar

Drinks: Water, Mineral water, Vichy, Club soda; Beef or Chicken broth, bouillon; Sugar free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee

---------*Special note on caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (cups). If you know you have low blood sugar, better limit it to three.

Fish: All fish, including canned salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oysters, clams, muscles, scallops, and pickled fish

Eggs: Boiled, fried, scrambled, poached, omelet – any style and without limitations

Salads: Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil, salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus… green olives.

Butter & Mayonnaise Fats: Butter, margarine (head New Diet Revolution & eat no margarine with trans fatty acids), oils, shortening (not such a great idea), lard & mayonnaise (fats have no carbohydrates).

Juice: Juice of one lemon or lime

Cheese: Four ounces a day of any hard aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.

Heavy Cream: Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk – so don’t use milk)

Diet Revolution Salad Material: Celery, Chicory, Chinese Cabbage, Chives, Cucumber, Endive, Escarole, Fennel, lettuce, Olives (Green or Black), Onions, Pickles (Sour or Dill), Parsley, Peppers, Radishes, Scallions, watercress.

What Happens After The First Week’s Diet. Most diets are fixed formulas and are therefore short-termed and self-limiting. This diet is fixed only for a week. After that – because it must be a lifetime diet, it is, as variable as are individual tastes.

I’ve labeled the additions of carbohydrate that follow’ second level’, ‘third level’, ‘fourth level’, ‘fifth level’, but in fact the additions are interchangeable and flexible. You can make any of these additions any week that you choose. I am so committed to making this a livable lifetime diet that I am letting you select your own variations, within the rules set up by your biological rulebook.

Put back what you’ve missed the most: The idea is simply to gradually return to your diet first what you missed most. Custom-tailor the diet to suit your carbohydrate additions to suit your lifestyle. All that matters is that you add back to your diet a little carbohydrate at a time, and that you stop adding carbohydrate when you reach your CCL.

How to know when to put back a little carbohydrate: Ask yourself: Are the keto-stix still turning purple? Am I still un-hungry? Have I stopped eating at night? Do I have more energy? Am I still losing weight or inches nicely? Remember, your tape measure is a lot better friend than your scale, not only more accurate, but better able to report on the actual fat (not just temporary water) losses this diet achieves.

The Second Level: Cheesecake for dessert? At each level, remember you add approximately five to eight grams of carbohydrate daily for a week and analyze the results. Most people agree the best way to handle the second level is to add cottage cheese…

The Diet Revolution Vegetables (not for level one): All of the above plus; Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Beet Greens, Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Chard, Chinese Cabbage, eggplant, Kale, Kohlrabi, Mushrooms, Okra, Onions, Peppers, Pumpkins, Rhubarb, Sauerkraut, Snow Pea Pods, Spinach, String Beans, Summer Squash, Tomatoes, Turnips, Water Chestnuts, Wax Beans, Zucchini Squash

Sample menu, level one:

Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with spicy ham, Diet revolution roll and butter, Bouillon, coffee, or tea

Lunch: Cold cuts sandwich on Diet revolution Roll w/ mayo or mustard, 1 cup of salad (loosely packed), oil & vinegar, or a dressing from the recipe list, Raspberry gelatin, Diet soda, coffee, or tea

Dinner: Chicken soup with Matzoh Balls, Your favorite cut of steak, Caesar salad with Caesar Salad dressing, Gelatin, diet soda, coffee or tea

Snack: baken-ets, stuffed celery, diet soda.

Sample menu, level two:

Breakfast: Lox and stuffed onion omelet, caraway Diet revolution Roll with cream cheese, Bouillon, coffee, or tea

Lunch: Avocado stuffed with crabmeat, Tossed green salad with dressing from recipe list, diet soda, coffee, or tea

Dinner: Mixed grill with garlic Butter Sauce or Béarnaise Sauce, Tossed salad with French Dressing, Gelatin Parfait with whipped cream, diet soda, coffee, or tea

Snack: Assorted smoked fish, Hard cheese, Diet soda


from Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution.




MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 7:23:45 PM)

 
Dang, Level, you're great!  Thank you so much!  I just KNOW I saw several links you posted earlier...I wonder what the heck happened!
 
I'm gonna copy these, though...I'm reading too fast online and need to be able to go find it again to read it over later!  Thanks again...............AND for the Atkins bit!  Wow...
 
B




LeMiz -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 7:53:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lauren0221

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

I read some stuff on the fake sugar, too.  While I pretty much cut out white sugar and don’t use it in coffee or tea at all, for example…I also didn’t go to the fake stuff.  I bought a bag of Splenda and just don’t like the taste…  Give me honey, anyday… but not for a couple months!  LOL
 
B


Not to make you arrrgghh again, but there are some healthy low/no carb sweeeteners out there. Splenda does taste good to me usually, but gives me headaches, and I try to stay as natural as possible in any case. Stevia is a good sweetener. Xylitol is good as well, there are also some Lo-Han based sweeteners that taste so good and sugar'y I worry that they're too good to be true:)


I usually have no problem w/ Splenda type stuff but that Nutra Sweet/Equal stuff causes me some major grief though   [&:]  [:(]




proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:01:13 PM)

Bev--you mentioned artificial sweetners. I just want to warn you about sugar alcohols, found in a lot of sugar free products, especially candy.  They can cause terrible gas and diarrhea.  This may be why sugarfree gum causes you problems. Most of the names end in -itol, like maltitol.  My preference is Splenda but i haven't tried Stevia yet.




Najakcharmer -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:07:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee
I'm doing what I remember of the South Beach Diet


Doing what you remember of a diet is usually a recipe for failure.  It's best if you clearly understand the basic principles of what you are trying to accomplish.  I would *not* recommend tossing any veggies except the highly starchy ones (eg, the potato and winter squashes).  Jicama is relatively low in carbs and high in fiber, and spaghetti squash is also acceptable on most phases of low carb diets.  If you're doing Atkins Induction, the strictest phase of an extremely low carb, high protein and moderate to high fat diet, most non-green veggies are out of bounds for a week or two as it's intended to jump-start a state of dietary ketosis.


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why does boiled asparagus have twice the carbs as canned?  Dang...seems ALL canned veggies have fewer carbs than the same amount simply boiled.  hmmmmmmmmm


Doesn't.  The canned counts include a lot of water. 


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I generally just have one cup of coffee in the morning, but I add milk or 3 rounded tsp poison white powdered-milk.  Is that gonna throw EVERYTHING off?


That depends on how carb-sensitive you are and what your goal is.  If you plan to rapidly jump-start dietary ketosis, the answer is possibly yes, it can screw you up by taking too much of the carb allowance that is supposed to go for leafy green veggies.  On a generally low carb, low GI diet, a tiny amount of creamer in your coffee is not a big whoopee on a physiological basis.  Psychologically I can't say what the effect might be for you - it could be good because you don't feel as deprived, or it could be bad because you are cheating. 

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I figure if I talk about this with like minded people...I'll be more apt to stick with it.  Thanks!


Yep, so do come join us on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alt_fitness for support and advice.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:35:22 PM)

~FR~

I read somewhere that many nutrionist felt that just following a balanced diet, with lower intake, combined with exercise, was the best way to get your weight down?

A few years ago I got up to 235. I cut out all meat except for white meat or seafood twice a month. I increased my activity, increased water consumption, dropped all soft drinks, including diet ones, my carbs increased since I was eating more fruits and veggies. In 8 months I dropped to 192.

My sister has been on a low carb diet for several years, but she has never increased her activity level. She is about the same weight as she was before 2000.




CalifChick -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:44:03 PM)

Orion, I think you just proved my point... there is no "one true way" that works for everybody.

Cali




laurell3 -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:47:50 PM)

Many years ago when it was popular and before my metabolism changed, I did Atkins and lost weight and had a very big increase in energy.  However, the problem for me was I love carbs, bread is awesome in it's many different varities.  I couldn't maintain the diet because it didn't fit my tastes that well.  I do find that concentrating on proteins when I am tired alot helps, but I couldn't go back to that type of diet again and know very few who have succeeded with it long-term.  Thankfully, later in life my metabolism changed dramatically due to illness so I don't have to worry about weight as much but do try to include proteins because of the knowlege I gained for me during this dieting phase.




proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 8:55:03 PM)

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First, kudos to cali, lauren, and proud; three very bright ladies, being very helpful.


Thanks Level, back at you.[:)]




Najakcharmer -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/2/2008 9:12:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
I read somewhere that many nutrionist felt that just following a balanced diet, with lower intake, combined with exercise, was the best way to get your weight down?


Thing is, the best program is the one that actually works for the individual in the context of his or her real life.  That's not going to be the same program for everybody.  Some people have food allergies, or carb sensitivities, or life situations that make some kinds of exercise easier or harder for them.  Arguably the ideal way to get in shape is to lift weights 3 or 4 times a week, do cardio for another 3 or 4 days a week, and eat 5 or 6 small, perfect meals a day of raw oats, brown rice, tuna, protein shakes, cottage cheese, steamed chicken breasts, raw vegetables, a little fruit, and some other fish and meat.  I'm currently doing just that - but it sucks rather a lot, and I would not have been able to sustain either the dietary monotony or the exercise pace if I had not first dropped 80 lbs on Atkins and used persistent dietary ketosis to completely reverse my lack of insulin sensitivity and adult onset type 2 diabetes. 

The bodybuilder's balanced diet and exercise program that I'm on now is arguably the "best" in terms of being physiologically optimal for healthy athletes, but not everyone is a healthy athlete.  Low carbing is a damn good way for folks to get healthy when they have damaged insulin sensitivity due to years of persistent overconsumption of high glycemic index, highly processed carbs.  That's a remarkably common situation in America. 

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A few years ago I got up to 235. I cut out all meat except for white meat or seafood twice a month. I increased my activity, increased water consumption, dropped all soft drinks, including diet ones, my carbs increased since I was eating more fruits and veggies. In 8 months I dropped to 192.


Do you know how much of that weight loss was body fat and how much was lean body mass?  A lower protein diet under BMR calories does put you at risk for partitioning weight losses unfavorably.  Resistance exercise helps preserve lean body mass; cardio alone does not tend to have that effect on the partitioning. 

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My sister has been on a low carb diet for several years, but she has never increased her activity level. She is about the same weight as she was before 2000.


Low carb is a very useful tool but it is not magic.  Calories in minus calories burned still equals your total body mass, with adjustments for metabolic rate, hormonal environment and the timing/GI index of meals and macronutrients.  Not exercising and eating a pound of butter wrapped in bacon for breakfast if you are on Atkins will still leave you fat and unhealthy, and if you actually pay attention to the Atkins book, that will tell you the same thing.  Most people who say they are doing Atkins aren't, and a lot of people who say they are doing low carb don't seem to have a clue what low carb is or how it works.  It's a metabolic tweak, kind of like overclocking your CPU to get it to burn hotter and faster.  It tends to crash when you don't get the details right.




MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/4/2008 5:11:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Most people who say they are doing Atkins aren't, and a lot of people who say they are doing low carb don't seem to have a clue what low carb is or how it works.  It's a metabolic tweak, kind of like overclocking your CPU to get it to burn hotter and faster.  It tends to crash when you don't get the details right. 


Charmer, that's why I'm telling folks 'I'm getting ready' to go on a diet, I've got a bunch to read (I just discovered a salad isn't 2-3 cups of greens with a few slices of carrot and celery! <sigh>), I need to get rid of some fairly okay produce that I am just too darn reluctant to either eat or just throw away, and so on. 
 
In the meantime, I have quit eating bread, starch, pasta, and grain and upped the protein and fat quite a bit.  Unfortunately last night I also ate about 5 oz of smoked almonds…and so feel like crap right this minute.  Ugg  (That would  be why I don’t keep chips around…I can’t eat just one!)
 
Still, I’ve lost 5 pounds so far…so even while I ‘get ready to diet’, I’m making headway.  I’ve ordered used books on both the Atkins and the Paleo diets (thanks Level!) and I continue to read stuff here and there online.  All you folks are SO great!
 
It was odd, yesterday afternoon I got a raging headache…and I don’t get a headache even once a year.  I wonder if it was diet-related. 
 
I have some apples, oranges, and yams in the house…I think I’ll take them to work with me and give them to a woman I know; they’re just gonna go soft before I’m ready to eat them.
 
Next, I think I’ll look around for a place to purchase those dip-sticks to check ketosis; I’d think that could be a real incentive. 
 
Beverly, who will also look into proper portion control!




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