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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/2/2008 6:27:16 PM   
stripmymanhood


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no worries...if one calls themself a chylde...it should be no surprise they act as one

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

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i love it when people try to analyze me from posts made in black and white...tell you what...i won't analyze your kink...keep your analyses of my kinks to yourself.



*giggles and thinks to self why do they make it so very easy?*

No, i think i'll tell you what.  You go ahead and read my profile, check out my pics and read my thousands of posts.  Go right ahead and analyze my kink, my apparent mild homophobia, my trust issues my grief issues, my bad grammar, the way i cringe at most all labels and my obsession with my hair or even my obsession with redheaded bathycolpian beauties.  There is a ton of information out there, i'm sure it's enough for any learned Jungian or Freudian to demand i be locked up for my safety and the safety for society at large.

Ok, i really do have a point here:  This is a public forum, in placing anything on a public forum you are opening yourself up to criticism, being analyzed and scrutinized.  I would have hoped you would have realized as much by now. 

So, as long as you show me yours and i show you mine; we are both free to point, laugh and tell our friends.


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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/2/2008 6:41:45 PM   
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I do not believe that it is some kind of deep seated psychological or genetic flaw. I believe that it's natural for humans (as with all other animals) to arrange ourselves into a heirarchy and to feel more comfortable when one has found his/her place. The difference with people is that we have to do this many different times in all of the various groups we are a part of. A relationship is one area, and some people prefer to be in the dominant spot and others the submissive.

I think it's true that feminine sensuality and sexuality has long (always) had a power over men. Some seek to control (dominate) that which makes them weak and others seek to surrender to it.


This is certainly true, as far as it goes. But why do dominants choose to demand and submissives accept the things they do? I so rarely hear of a person in the dominant spot ordering a submissive to, say, sit calmly and watch the sun rise every morning for two weeks ... or a submissive who's been sentenced to a nightly soak in a warm bath ... or ... well, you get the idea. A dom might sometimes order such things, but in the vast majority of cases the expectations on both sides have to do with such items as canings, chastity, and so forth. I realize that canings and chastity and so on can be experienced as pleasurable; but if you're going to subject someone to pleasure, why not just give them something pleasant to do?

No, I think there's a lot more going on here than simple hierarchical arrangement. Any satisfactory explanation of BDSM has to thoroughly account for the nature of the things dominants demand, and submissives accept.

< Message edited by Reigna -- 1/2/2008 6:47:32 PM >

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/2/2008 8:15:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stripmymanhood

no worries...if one calls themself a chylde...it should be no surprise they act as one




You must have been in a rush, if you're going to be blatantly insulting; please try to be a little more imaginative about it.  I think i'll just turn around and let you think about it some more.


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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/2/2008 11:26:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

quote:

ORIGINAL: stripmymanhood

no worries...if one calls themself a chylde...it should be no surprise they act as one




You must have been in a rush, if you're going to be blatantly insulting; please try to be a little more imaginative about it.  I think i'll just turn around and let you think about it some more.



darchChylde,
I'm not a moderator, but you put the bait out there, so what did you expect in return??  
 
Perhaps the two of you could just "let it go", begin to act like adults and continue the discussion on an interesting subject, while keeping posts a bit more on-topic that show at least some degree of tolerance and sensitivity toward others?  It would be nice to see that happen, instead of more posts that reduce things to personal attacks regarding the kinks and desires of others who post in this forum.  To me, this kind of behavior just seems so opposite of what CM is supposed to be about!
 
 - pixel
Edited for spelling and clarity 


< Message edited by pixelslave -- 1/2/2008 11:32:39 PM >


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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/2/2008 11:36:23 PM   
darchChylde


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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

quote:

ORIGINAL: stripmymanhood

no worries...if one calls themself a chylde...it should be no surprise they act as one




You must have been in a rush, if you're going to be blatantly insulting; please try to be a little more imaginative about it.  I think i'll just turn around and let you think about it some more.



darchChylde,
I'm not a moderator, but you put the bait out there, so what did you expect in return??  
 
Perhaps the two of you could just "let it go", begin to act like adults and continue the discussion on an interesting subject, while keeping posts a bit more on-topic that show at least some degree of tolerance and sensitivity toward others?  It would be nice to see that happen, instead of more posts that reduce things to personal attacks regarding the kinks and desires of others who post in this forum.  To me, this kind of behavior just seems so opposite of what CM is supposed to be about!
 
 - pixel
Edited for spelling and clarity 



then you didn't read my posts, else you read what you chose to in them; at no time did i make them personal... i made honest observation, i wasn't judging kinks, just questioning terms... you can have the soapbox back, it fits you well

and as for my response to him, i was merely hoping he could continue in the form of intelligent debate, instead he went and decided to call names

edited to add: but i will concede at least one of your points and apologize for carrying it so far off topic


< Message edited by darchChylde -- 1/2/2008 11:49:44 PM >


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Where the fuck do I post?

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 12:09:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

then you didn't read my posts, else you read what you chose to in them; at no time did i make them personal... i made honest observation, i wasn't judging kinks, just questioning terms... you can have the soapbox back, it fits you well

and as for my response to him, i was merely hoping he could continue in the form of intelligent debate, instead he went and decided to call names



darchChylde,
It's clear to me from your response, that you've missed the point of my last post to you.  Telling me I can have "the soapbox back" and that "it fits me well", is what most here would consider a personal attack that would seem to only escalate some kind of conflict between us.  I do not seek nor desire to have a conflict with you.  As such, I'm disappointed this is the kind of response you chose to post.  This approach also seems to me to be counter to the sort of intelligent debate you claim you'd like to continue.  Thus, I don't understand it's origin or the source of the anger toward me that appears to have fueled it.  And yes, I did read your prior posts.
 
I'll bow out for now and let you decide where you'd like to go from here with your participation in this thread.  I have no desire to provide fuel for anyone's rants or personal attacks; especially those that appear to me to be aimed at a member simply for revealing a part of themselves that exists deep on the inside; where comments made about that part of them can hurt them very deeply when not done with some degree of empathy and tact.
 
 - pixel


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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 12:15:05 AM   
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EXCUSE ME!!!!

I'm not feeling the lurve!!!

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 12:31:55 AM   
darchChylde


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

then you didn't read my posts, else you read what you chose to in them; at no time did i make them personal... i made honest observation, i wasn't judging kinks, just questioning terms... you can have the soapbox back, it fits you well

and as for my response to him, i was merely hoping he could continue in the form of intelligent debate, instead he went and decided to call names



darchChylde,
It's clear to me from your response, that you've missed the point of my last post to you.  Telling me I can have "the soapbox back" and that "it fits me well", is what most here would consider a personal attack that would seem to only escalate some kind of conflict between us.  I do not seek nor desire to have a conflict with you.  As such, I'm disappointed this is the kind of response you chose to post.  This approach also seems to me to be counter to the sort of intelligent debate you claim you'd like to continue.  Thus, I don't understand it's origin or the source of the anger toward me that appears to have fueled it.  And yes, I did read your prior posts.
 
I'll bow out for now and let you decide where you'd like to go from here with your participation in this thread.  I have no desire to provide fuel for anyone's rants or personal attacks; especially those that appear to me to be aimed at a member simply for revealing a part of themselves that exists deep on the inside; where comments made about that part of them can hurt them very deeply when not done with some degree of empathy and tact.
 
 - pixel



ok, you're right on the comment of the soapbox; except for my intent; which i was admittedly not clear on

several of my recent posts i have ended with *he steps off the soapbox and brushes it off for the next speaker*

i honestly have no anger or ill will towards anyone here, though there are certain things that are pet peeves of mine which have come up in this thread; but that is something i admit to as a fault of my own... no, i'm not always the most tactful person and can be abrasive, but i generally do not intend to be abusive to anyone, and i was not at all abusive to anyone here in this post

as far as how i acted on this thread, which was off topic... he was the one who brought up analyzing another's kink; and that is what i did, then i went on to show how silly it is to go on a public forum and not expect your words or, in this case, kinks to be analyzed

he went on to choose to take it as a personal attack; when if you read my posts, you will see they were anything but... it is not my fault he took umbrage where none was given... but when he decided to call me and my actions childish, thus stepping out of the intelligent debate; i was reasonable in my willingness to allow him to come up with a more intelligent response, more in line with his previous posts


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if only to keep me to herself.

I'm a male dominant switch whose experienced as a poly sub to a dominant woman
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Where the fuck do I post?

Proud Owner and Protector of chyldeschylde.

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 1:00:39 AM   
LadyEllen


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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

EXCUSE ME!!!!

I'm not feeling the lurve!!!


Yep

But nevertheless interesting, given the title of the thread

E

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 4:36:21 AM   
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can we all just give it up...i made my point with regard to darchChylde....i have no intention of pursuing it further unless provoked...let's leave it where it is.

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 5:14:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darchChylde

ok, you're right on the comment of the soapbox; except for my intent; which i was admittedly not clear on

several of my recent posts i have ended with *he steps off the soapbox and brushes it off for the next speaker*

i honestly have no anger or ill will towards anyone here, though there are certain things that are pet peeves of mine which have come up in this thread; but that is something i admit to as a fault of my own... no, i'm not always the most tactful person and can be abrasive, but i generally do not intend to be abusive to anyone, and i was not at all abusive to anyone here in this post

as far as how i acted on this thread, which was off topic... he was the one who brought up analyzing another's kink; and that is what i did, then i went on to show how silly it is to go on a public forum and not expect your words or, in this case, kinks to be analyzed

he went on to choose to take it as a personal attack; when if you read my posts, you will see they were anything but... it is not my fault he took umbrage where none was given... but when he decided to call me and my actions childish, thus stepping out of the intelligent debate; i was reasonable in my willingness to allow him to come up with a more intelligent response, more in line with his previous posts



darchChylde,
I don't think there's any need to explain further.  In my experience, Mistresses are fond of listening for a "Yes Ma'am" or "No Ma'am" respsonse to help keep things simple and to avoid having to listen to excuses or lengthy explanations.  
 
How 'bout we "agree to leave it where it is" as suggested by stripmymanhood?
 
 - pixel



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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 5:23:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

EXCUSE ME!!!!

I'm not feeling the lurve!!!


Yep

But nevertheless interesting, given the title of the thread

E


Lady E,
Although rutting season is over, I think we were originally talking about the psychology of male submission to dominant women, not to other men; nor was the subject how to best establish pecking orders within the heirarchy of male submissives that post here on the boards of CM.
 
 - pixel


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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 8:57:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha



Deep down, I think all mean have a secret desire to be fucked in the ass and forced to wear panties.
It just takes some a little longer to come to terms with it.

Akasha



Ma'am? Have you seen my Ma'am, i know She's around here.  Ma'am!!!  Please come help me, the mean woman's scaring me.


-great response AAkasha, i don't know how much of it was serious and how much not; but it seriously made my testicles do double duty as extra adam's apples



hahaha but sweets I love it when you have three adam's apples  LMAO

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 9:48:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

Lady E,
Although rutting season is over, I think we were originally talking about the psychology of male submission to dominant women, not to other men; nor was the subject how to best establish pecking orders within the heirarchy of male submissives that post here on the boards of CM.
 
 - pixel



Indeed - and the interesting aspect was in how you lot, whilst you go all daft over ladies, were nevertheless fighting it out amongst yourselves - thus establishing that male submission does not indicate any lack of machismo.

The conclusion is, that whatever the psychology, men are men are men.

E

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 9:50:29 AM   
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i won't call it psychology, is more like a philosophy of life. i thought many times why i feel so natural as a submissive...thought of my first years of lief, of my family and i have to say i found nothing on this side, i call it psychological. And i never had a shock in my childness to make me submitted to Women. That is why i think (it's my opinion, i'm sorry if i'm not accepted by any of Y/you) it is a philosophy of life that i developed in years. Since i was young my altruism was very obvious when a Woman needed (my) help. And althought i work as a manager with over 100 people leaded by me, 30 of them Women i still have this altruism, no matter what happent during the day affecting my job. i'll always thank the Woman that saw this side of me and molded me to fit in this lifestyle i never knew before. She showed me the way i feel confortable and give all the love i have in me. Yes, Freud was right and i felt it so many times in my vanilla life, the kinky sexual part has a lot to do with my submission, but then i wonder how do i get so happy when i'm denied and i see the satisfaction of the Woman above me or why i get so happy doing house chores for Her, nothing sexual, just cleaning Her house? Or, why am i not happy and aroused if someone else would whip me? i guess (at least in my case) it's not the whip, not the pain, but the Woman who holds the whip and Her satisfaction that make me be aroused and happy... That is why everytime my Mistress ask me if i'd like something i always answer Her "it's not important as long You want that, Mistress and if i won't take it i will tell You". So, i guess i made my philosophy of how i would love to love a Woman during the years of my life and be happy the same time (am i selfish? lol). If W/we talk here about psychology i smell problems and a psychologist. And i'll never admit i have problems, it's just my way to love, period.
Thank You so much for reading my post and please forgive my poor english.



God help me be at Her feet sooner

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 11:23:37 AM   
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Deep down, I think all mean have a secret desire to be fucked in the ass and forced to wear panties.
It just takes some a little longer to come to terms with it.


LMAO!!

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 11:33:07 AM   
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I think the one thing you can learn from this thread is that submitting to women doesn't do a thing to help you get along peaceably with other men!    Some bucks are going to bash their horns together no matter what.

I want to thank all the men who have been replying, though.  I do think that there are some interesting points emerging.  The urge to submit appears to be primal, but the way it filters through the individual person and expresses itself at various stages of life is infinitely diverse.

Shine on, you beautiful snowflakes you... 

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 11:53:52 AM   
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maybe this is why some of us think of being neutered from time to time...i'll admit i do

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

I think the one thing you can learn from this thread is that submitting to women doesn't do a thing to help you get along peaceably with other men!    Some bucks are going to bash their horns together no matter what.

I want to thank all the men who have been replying, though.  I do think that there are some interesting points emerging.  The urge to submit appears to be primal, but the way it filters through the individual person and expresses itself at various stages of life is infinitely diverse.

Shine on, you beautiful snowflakes you... 

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 11:57:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stripmymanhood
maybe this is why some of us think of being neutered from time to time...i'll admit i do


Honey, be reasonable.  You've got to keep your manhood so that we dommes will have something to strip!  You don't want to spoil our fun, do you?

Besides, just think...every time you play, you get the chance to go from something bad to something good.  It's like becoming a butterfly over and over again.  What could be better than that?   

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RE: Psychology of Male submission... - 1/3/2008 12:29:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rob247bot

i won't call it psychology, is more like a philosophy of life. i thought many times why i feel so natural as a submissive...thought of my first years of lief, of my family and i have to say i found nothing on this side, i call it psychological. And i never had a shock in my childness to make me submitted to Women. That is why i think (it's my opinion, i'm sorry if i'm not accepted by any of Y/you) it is a philosophy of life that i developed in years. Since i was young my altruism was very obvious when a Woman needed (my) help. And althought i work as a manager with over 100 people leaded by me, 30 of them Women i still have this altruism, no matter what happent during the day affecting my job.


This makes sense to me in that it fits very well with the principles of Chivalry and a chivalrous man's behavior toward women.  I can see where one could easily be inclined to adopt a philosophy of service to women as part of his code of ethics in life.

quote:


i'll always thank the Woman that saw this side of me and molded me to fit in this lifestyle i never knew before. She showed me the way i feel confortable and give all the love i have in me. Yes, Freud was right and i felt it so many times in my vanilla life, the kinky sexual part has a lot to do with my submission, but then i wonder how do i get so happy when i'm denied and i see the satisfaction of the Woman above me or why i get so happy doing house chores for Her, nothing sexual, just cleaning Her house? Or, why am i not happy and aroused if someone else would whip me? i guess (at least in my case) it's not the whip, not the pain, but the Woman who holds the whip and Her satisfaction that make me be aroused and happy... That is why everytime my Mistress ask me if i'd like something i always answer Her "it's not important as long You want that, Mistress and if i won't take it i will tell You". So, i guess i made my philosophy of how i would love to love a Woman during the years of my life and be happy the same time (am i selfish? lol). If W/we talk here about psychology i smell problems and a psychologist. And i'll never admit i have problems, it's just my way to love, period.
Thank You so much for reading my post and please forgive my poor english.


I'm not a Freudian, but I agree that one's "kink factor" is certainly part of the equation.  Where exactly it fits in, I'm not certain and believe it must be a very individual thing as there are so many different kinds and types of submissives along with D/s relationships and dynamics.  More than anything I agree that it's the "Woman who holds the whip" that makes all the difference in the world.  Not just any woman can do that and bring out the desire in me to submit to her.

- pixel



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