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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 2:09:48 PM   
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It sounds God awful.  Meeting people because you share somewhat of a similiar idea of an aspect of sexuality and a power dynamic.  Ick.


This may have been said with tongue in cheek, and if so I apologize to Domiguy and am only using as an example of what others may legitimately be thinking.
 
I suppose these sorts of sentiments inspire the question... so why are you "here"?  As in, the only difference between online communities like Collarme and munches are the venue.  You can "socialize" online all by yourself in your housecoat and slippers or you can socialize at a restaurant in public attire. 
 
To say that you would get nothing from socializing face to face is really an admission that you're getting nothing at all from these forums.
 
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Since I have yet to attend a munch I have to plead ignorance as to all that goes on there...Much of what I said was intended to be a combination of humor along with how I view the prospects of attending a munch.

Actually there is little comparison to online and the reality of attending a munch....Online I can ignore the posters that are idiots.  At a munch I would probably have to be patient and let someone finish their thought to get to the information that I am seeking no matter how much of a Star Trek and fantasy fuck-up they may be. To me, there is nothing that suggest we have much of a sense of "community."  I also am very particular about who I choose to socialize with. There are only a handful of posters out here that I would ever consider meeting.

If I were really, really into this I would attend munches I would stand on the marble arch and proclaim my domship over the land...I would encourage "newbies" to participate to insure a constant influx of new meat...I can only imagine as with many groups that they can be rather incestuous....Nothing would appeal to me more than meeting some sub and her to point out the people that she has already played with, or have some Dom come up and explain how she really enjoys her pussy being slapped while being fisted.

I don't see the appeal. This is not the pinnacle of my existance.  I am willing to spend time online read what I find of interest and be able to choose with whom I interact with.  I can not imagine a worse scenario then being forced to eat with a group of people that are sole common interest is that we like a power exchange and some kinky rough sex....It's not nearly a big enough draw to come out from under my rock, also the staff might be rather perturbed with cleaning up all the puke around my chair.

Not for me.  I can do just fine on my own.  To each their own.



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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 3:25:01 PM   
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Domniguy, yep, that incestuous community thing hit me, too. So you either find a newbie, let your lust get you past your qualms or make up some kind of personal philosophy that makes it all all right.

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 4:02:16 PM   
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If you’ve attended, has it been positive? Do you encourage others to attend as well? In what ways has it been beneficial to you?
 
If you’ve attended and found munches less than fulfilling or worthwhile, why were they lacking? In what ways was it negative or not valuable for you?
 
In advance, thank you!


Greetings,

A Munch is a gateway to the real world. It is not suppose to be a destination but a beginning point. Munches come in all sizes and flavors and meet many different needs depending upon the individual needs of that group. I wrote this about "Why Attend a  Munch" it might answer your question.


Having just returned from a wonderful weekend with friends I am left to ponder a thread I recently read about Munches. For those who might not know what a Munch is, it’s a group of lifestyle people who get together for dinner and some conversation.  It’s a place that allows people new to the lifestyle to meet others like themselves and for others to get reacquainted with friends.  You can google “BDSM Munch History” to find the history if you wish.  My concern or question is; of what value is a Munch today?

Many people show up at their local Munch to find nothing more that a group of people talking amongst themselves in a backroom of some bar or restaurant. Often times this conversation is about work, life and kids and how they never get a chance to play anymore. Since you probably don’t know each other, after the initial hellos you may feel left out of the conversation. You may feel let down that there was not more education. You might also leave feeling like you just found your place in the world. It’s a very personal experience, but you need to realize and many don’t, that a Munch is nothing more than a gateway to this lifestyle. A Munch is not the end destination, but merely the beginning point.

When on the Internet, your only requirement to enter the world of BDSM is Internet access and being of legal age in your area. Requirements of the real world are different and a Munch is the first gate you must pass through. In the real world or “meat life” as some call it, you must prove yourself. You must earn respect of your peers and you must earn your way into their circles. Yes, since the computer gave us desktop publishing, books on our lifestyle have become abundant, but most of this lifestyle can not be learned through a book. You learn this lifestyle by watching, asking questions and others sharing what they learned from those that went before us. The information is handed down, expanded upon, and passed on to others. It’s a living thing that grows and feeds upon those involved and you won’t find that in a book.

The gateway works something like this. I started to attend my local Munch some 6 years ago. Before that time I had met and played with a number of people I found by chance over the years and in the pre-internet days that’s all you had. In the pre-internet world you had to luck out and find someone who was willing to introduce you to the local community, if there was one. You also had to be sponsored. Today the Munch acts as your sponsor to the local community. While attending Munches I got to know people and they got to know me. I made friends and they introduced me to their friends and I became known. I learned from those I met and I hope they learned something from me. Through the Munch I learned of national events and even made it out to one this year. I had a blast at GLLA this year which is held about two hours from my home town. If you don’t like the first Munch you attend, there are normally others an hour or so away.  Within a hundred mile radius of where I live, there are probably eight Munches I can think of off hand. I know of two in my home town. One I created and the one I first attended 6 years ago. If you don’t have a Munch in your hometown, create one.

For me and others today, a Munch is a way for us to find the missing members we seek to complete our houses. It’s a way for us to find that person with a thirst for learning and a desire to learn that we might pass on what we have learned. It’s also a place for us to met people who can still teach us a thing or two. A Munch is about forming friendships and personal relationships with others who will share their knowledge and experience with us.

So what has the Munch to do with my weekend? I and my girl were the guests of my friend in his lovely, but incredibly huge home. Whoever said size does not matter, has not met my friend. A friend who lives about 2 hours away from me and whom I met when he gave a whip demo at my local Munch. He does not like the Internet and wants nothing to do with the on-line community. A man who makes me think and challenges me to be the best I can be at “my game.” Though this man I have been introduced to people of many different experiences in this lifestyle.  From nation presenters, to lifestyle virgins, I have met them all at his house. This weekend was a tradition of theirs and included a party of some 30 or so people in his private 2,000 sq ft dungeon which contains more toys and equipment than most public dungeons I have seen and it’s still a work in progress.   While his home and dungeon might be impressive, what is truly impressive is the people he has gathered around him and the things that happen when you put that many sick, twisted and sadistic minds together in one place.  I won’t whip and tell; you’ll just have to imagine. In that one party I met people from Virginia, New York, Michigan, Ontario, Indiana and Illinois.

My local Munch for all of its cliques, politics and other issues associated with it, was and remains a gateway to so much more. So before you write off your local Munch, just imagine who might walk through that door and what opportunity might then be opened for you.


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 4:27:43 PM   
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If you’ve chosen not to seek out local groups or attend munches, what are your reasons?
 


Dear Subtee:
I am not part of the munch bunch. Got three main reasons:
first because I was into bdsm long before munches existed
second I prefer to scene privately as I believe it is more intense
third I am highh profile and might meet clients and their confidentiality be compromised
fourth I might be outed or blackmailed (derrr have been blackmailed anyway)
but those are my main reasons


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 4:30:56 PM   
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Prinsexx you already know that I love you. Thank you for your post.

I was wondering when the high profile thing would (ahem) come to light. I mean, surely there are anchorpersons and mayors and boy band members on this site, no?


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 4:57:31 PM   
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If I were really, really into this I would attend munches I would stand on the marble arch and proclaim my domship over the land...I would encourage "newbies" to participate to insure a constant influx of new meat


That would, no doubt, be an impressive, awe-inspiring Domi-sight to see. I'm sure that there are many women who would expend the effort to munch with you and experience that domship. 

However, am I reading you right that there is a suggestion that munches are, on the part of some Doms, a "breeding ground" (pun intended), for new subs?

Thank you, Domiguy

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:03:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Domniguy, yep, that incestuous community thing hit me, too. So you either find a newbie, let your lust get you past your qualms or make up some kind of personal philosophy that makes it all all right.


This "incestuous" concern that you and Domiguy have mentioned is interesting...would you rather not know? In other words, if you could attend the munches and thereby glean some understanding of the "locals'" history and hookups, would it help or hinder your decision to take up with a sub/slave?

Would you rather not attend, not know (or at least not be privy to the information that would be available there), and learn her on your own?

Also, if you care to expound, what might that "personal philosophy that makes it all right" sound like?

Thank you, you're an excellent writer!

Tee


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:16:59 PM   
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Nearly daily I am nearly peeing my pants, thanks to Ron, Jeffff and many others. I just keep on kegeling!

I think I might steal that for a sig line.

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:18:19 PM   
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Hi Melissa, and wow, what a thorough, articulate response, I'm grateful.

I love the metaphor that munches are a "gateway" to the real world (insofar as WIIWD, I'm guessing):

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Requirements of the real world are different and a Munch is the first gate you must pass through. In the real world or “meat life” as some call it, you must prove yourself. You must earn respect of your peers and you must earn your way into their circles.


I wonder about this though...I too was around and remember BTI (Before the Internet); I was also lucky at that time, not to be inducted into a local community, but to be able to learn/express myself in this way. So, I wonder, is attending a munch the only gateway? A must-do reality experience?

I really am happy for so many who have loved it.

Thank you!


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:19:21 PM   
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Nearly daily I am nearly peeing my pants, thanks to Ron, Jeffff and many others. I just keep on kegeling!

I think I might steal that for a sig line.



It's yours!


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:30:56 PM   
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I have no desire to ever go to a munch.  Sitting and eating with a bunch of strangers whose only common thread is kink holds no appeal to me

I totally agree with this.  Once in a thread about the concept of a D/s "sisterhood," I said the following:

"I don't like the idea of a submissive/slave "sisterhood" any more than I like the idea that everyone who is kinky is a member of some touchy-feely "community."  I may like S&M as much as you do but that doesn't mean we are going to be fast friends or that we're automatically in some big clique together defined ONLY by our like for it.  I have always thought both ideas were pretty ludicrous.  All people who like pistachio ice cream, for instance, may only have that one little thing in common.  That doesn't bond them together any more than two other people liking BDSM does."

Now granted, in time you may find that there are more common threads/interests than just the "lifestyle," but, frankly, it just would feel odd or forced to group together initially with that being the only real connection.  For me personally, I'm not interested in a "lifestyle," per se.  I'm just interested in loving and serving the One who owns me.  If it were not for Him, I'm not sure I'd even be in the same type of dynamic.  It doesn't draw me as much as HE did.  Therefore, I am interested in what He and I share, not the "scene" in general.  We share intimately and just aren't interested in being part of a group where we can hang out and compare notes, if you will.
 
Before we met, He used to go to a munch or two here and there.  He detested it.  He said it always seemed to be a pissing contest about who was the domliest dom or the subbiest sub/slaviest slave.  "Oh you took 200 lashes with a razor-blade-studded bullwhip?  Pussy.  He drove a steamroller over me last week."   He just never had any postive experiences.  Obviously there are some great gatherings going on and I encourage all those who dig that sort of thing.  As for us, it's not the "scene" or the socializing that interests us.  We love what we have, we enjoy it intimately and privately, and frankly don't care what others do or how they do it. 
 
I really like how Domiguy made the distinction between the interest in posting here and an interest in the social aspect of munches and play parties.  I enjoy reading and posting here because people are at arm's length unless I choose otherwise.  At a public gathering, that is not the case.  This doesn't have that "meat market" aspect that someone mentioned because it's so easy to block/avoid someone whom you don't wish to interact with.  Oh, if only public functions had a "block button" with which you could make a boring or offensive party vanish into thin air.
 
Anyway.....Master didn't enjoy it, I've never had any desire to participate and I hope I made some sense explaining why.  More power to those who love it.  It's just not our cup of tea................luci

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:37:20 PM   
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My experiences attending two munches, two different groups.

Group A:  dom and sub to each other and switch off partners.  I needed a flowchart to keep up with who had been with whom.  And it was too much information.

Group B: cool group, but with tacky behavior in a public restaurant (private dining room).  All munch goers were asked to pay $1 each for the privilege of having a sub remain shirtless during dinner.  I didn't understand it, thought it was tacky and a few people apologized and asked me not to let that deter me from returning.  I won't be going back.




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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:42:21 PM   
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Icky. Sorry to hear about that Katy.

It also makes me kinda sad to hear about people's bad experiences with muches and BDSM events. It always seems to me that concept of the munch or the event gets blamed rather than the people, whereas if bad behavior was displayed at a book club or other "vanilla" gathering/group of people brought together by some common interest (be it dancing, gardening, historical reenacting or anything) it would be the people that got blamed - not the concept of book clubs.

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:45:51 PM   
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Yeah, also take into consideration that I'm driving two hours round trip for the fun!  

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:46:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Domniguy, yep, that incestuous community thing hit me, too. So you either find a newbie, let your lust get you past your qualms or make up some kind of personal philosophy that makes it all all right.


This "incestuous" concern that you and Domiguy have mentioned is interesting...would you rather not know? In other words, if you could attend the munches and thereby glean some understanding of the "locals'" history and hookups, would it help or hinder your decision to take up with a sub/slave?

Would you rather not attend, not know (or at least not be privy to the information that would be available there), and learn her on your own?

Also, if you care to expound, what might that "personal philosophy that makes it all right" sound like?

Thank you, you're an excellent writer!

Tee



To jump in and add my two cents to this one, I attend the occasional munch in my area, and I know 'most' of the local scenesters.

I would never want to choose a personal slave from within their ranks, simply because I don't want to feel like every time I take my boys out with me, someone is thinking they know more about them than I do, or remembering the boy's past relationships.

Imagine (or remember) young people who hang out in a large group, and how they often end up all dating one another at one point or another. Everyone knows everything about everyone else. Add some whips'n'chains, and that's what a munch is often like. I don't mind going for the odd chat, but I'm not going to seek within the group.

To each their own, but I prefer fresh meat!

Lady Seraphina

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:49:25 PM   
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My experiences attending two munches, two different groups.

Group A:  dom and sub to each other and switch off partners.  I needed a flowchart to keep up with who had been with whom.  And it was too much information.

Group B: cool group, but with tacky behavior in a public restaurant (private dining room).  All munch goers were asked to pay $1 each for the privilege of having a sub remain shirtless during dinner.  I didn't understand it, thought it was tacky and a few people apologized and asked me not to let that deter me from returning.  I won't be going back.





Katy...I made $23 that night.  Woohoo!

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:51:08 PM   
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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:51:47 PM   
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Katy...I made $23 that night.  Woohoo!


I thought she looked familiar!


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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:53:37 PM   
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Yeah, also take into consideration that I'm driving two hours round trip for the fun!  


Oh I completely understand not going if there aren't any munchs or events in your area that you enjoy. I just get a little sad when the idea gets blamed, not the people. Does that make sense?

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RE: To Munch, or Not to Munch? - 1/9/2008 5:58:40 PM   
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Group A:  dom and sub to each other and switch off partners.  I needed a flowchart to keep up with who had been with whom.  And it was too much information.


There's no flowcharts in BDSM!!

Sorry it was icky, Katy



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