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Mercnbeth: I think this says it exactly. "Morning Remorse" from last night's session should be an indication that something is wrong with what you are doing. A hangover after drinking too much serves a purpose to warn you that what you are doing isn't really healthy. I wouldn't want to experience any session hangover with my slave, subs and doms who have that "hangover" feeling of remorse should try and reconcile those emotions. I feel you have a much bigger opportunity of experiencing a "hangover" if the person you are with feels that their need for pain and/or humiliation comes from "worthlessness". When your partner has a "hangover" they are not much fun even if you don't.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
"Morning Remorse" from last night's session should be an indication that something is wrong with what you are doing. A hangover after drinking too much serves a purpose to warn you that what you are doing isn't really healthy. I wouldn't want to experience any session hangover with my slave, subs and doms who have that "hangover" feeling of remorse should try and reconcile those emotions. I feel you have a much bigger opportunity of experiencing a "hangover" if the person you are with feels that their need for pain and/or humiliation comes from "worthlessness". When your partner has a "hangover" they are not much fun even if you don't.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I'm not saying Faramir's position is wrong, but it's not my goal. Hell, I think maybe for the first nine years or so, I took advantage of the "signage subs". But then his goals and his needs don't have to be mine. For instance his slave, noted in his profile, is located in Atlanta, while he lists his location as North Carolina. Assuming this isn't exclusively a "cyber" relationship, I wouldn't be considering beth my slave living that distance apart.

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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

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ORIGINAL: Faramir
Chapter 4 is "Slaping the Cunt Out of Her"

I remember that thread clearly, the OP specifically. I actually copied it into Word and saved it.

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I suspect a certain percentage of Doms of both sexes are into dominence in order to deal with their own inadequacy issues

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The way I look at it, it's not even the fault of the people who were my parents, or the people I've interacted with until now. We are all the people/personalities/bags of needs and possibilities that we are. In every interaction we have, we're only being the people we can be, and probably 'doing our best', or whatever we can do. No need to shout or to blame. And, in the words of the old cliche, the only person we can change is ourselves.

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ORIGINAL: ElektraUkM

lonewolf05... self respect... SELF respect. That comes from in here... not out there.

I read a lot of my experiences in what you write. You might not believe that, but I do. I can give you my whole sorry story of growing up, and my whole sorry story of my earlier (current?) relationships. But I am NOT going to go around beating everyone I meet over the head with MY past, and MY problems. It's not their fault.

The way I look at it, it's not even the fault of the people who were my parents, or the people I've interacted with until now. We are all the people/personalities/bags of needs and possibilities that we are. In every interaction we have, we're only being the people we can be, and probably 'doing our best', or whatever we can do. No need to shout or to blame. And, in the words of the old cliche, the only person we can change is ourselves.

(I'm leaving out the fecking psychopathic shit-fucks who go around leaving us for dead physically or psychologically, because I don't think they deserve a moments more of my thought)

I'm not going to preach, lonewolf05 (I can't see that going down well!), but I wish you peace.

~ Elektra

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ORIGINAL: LadyJC
I'd continue to try and take control of the situation, but honestly how can you?

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Wow. I hardly know where to begin. Do you or your loved ones have any direct experience with county mental health operations? While there are certainly some well-meaning, and even some qualified and well-meaning people working for these establishments, they are seriously underfunded and understaffed and bound by procedures that seem to be designed to insure that people get too little care too late. They are essentially providers of last resort, and financial strictures compel them to minimize treatment availability for all but the most serious cases. Halting someone's downward spiral toward becoming a 'most serious case' tends to be low on the operational agenda.
It is true that these operations have a strong tendency toward prescribing and subsidizing psychotropic drugs, but in my observation this is of greater benefit to pharmaceutical companies than it is to patients. There is rarely the funding, and hence the will, to support interventions that require anything but the minimum of human involvement, although these are often more appropriate than handing out medication.
I'm not blaming county mental health systems, though there are certainly plenty of time-servers and pencil-pushers involved in them. They are simply not designed or funded in a way that would enable them to provide the kinds of services that many people need.

CitizenCane

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"Are there no prisons? And the Union workhouses? They still in operation? The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?"

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

You sound like another smug wretch

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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

i never felt at all uncomfortable referring people to such clinics.

pinkpleasures

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Wow. I hardly know where to begin. Do you or your loved ones have any direct experience with county mental health operations? While there are certainly some well-meaning, and even some qualified and well-meaning people working for these establishments, they are seriously underfunded and understaffed and bound by procedures that seem to be designed to insure that people get too little care too late. They are essentially providers of last resort, and financial strictures compel them to minimize treatment availability for all but the most serious cases. Halting someone's downward spiral toward becoming a 'most serious case' tends to be low on the operational agenda.
It is true that these operations have a strong tendency toward prescribing and subsidizing psychotropic drugs, but in my observation this is of greater benefit to pharmaceutical companies than it is to patients. There is rarely the funding, and hence the will, to support interventions that require anything but the minimum of human involvement, although these are often more appropriate than handing out medication.
I'm not blaming county mental health systems, though there are certainly plenty of time-servers and pencil-pushers involved in them. They are simply not designed or funded in a way that would enable them to provide the kinds of services that many people need.

Cane

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The county mental health care systems in NC that I have experience with horrified me. They were run with one end in mind: to get people off the books as fast as possible, with little or no regard for the interests (or dignity) of the patients. Yes, on occaision you met someone struggling to give good care despite the system, which is a credit to the individual but a further indictment of the system. They were set up to proscribe "blue pills," and if you needed anything other than blue pills you're fucked. In addition to the shitty, substandard care I often saw, what really incenses me is the corruption and misuse of funds I saw on a week to week basis. CBS workers assigned to kids who didn't need them - and oh, the caseworker that requested the service is the 1st cousin to the care provider who is now charging the county big bucks for an uneeded service - but god forbid a child need a diagnostic test like the Marshalk Interactive Method that local people aren't qualified to administer - that would be a waste of county funds.