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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 1:51:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough but that is a bit like saying an accountant can never be dominated by anyone other than another accountant. I just wish people would separate the D/s type things from the everyday vanilla because in a lot of cases a Dominant will understand the key skills of a submissive and not assume responsibility for such things anyway. The question seemed to imply that a submissives life experience will be stunted by the Master taking over everyday responsibilities. How often does this happen? Therefore any Dominant’s feeling a moral dilemma over such things is off the mark in most cases anyway.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 1:54:59 PM   
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I didn't know jack shit about budgeting or investing when I was 19 and there is a vast difference between my knowledge now and then.


It's a bit myopic to judge others by your own standards.

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You might try thinking a bit and realizing there is a greater philosophical question here that goes past the details of the example I used to illustrate it.


Do enlighten me I'm all for learning new things.



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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 1:59:02 PM   
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You might try thinking a bit and realizing there is a greater philosophical question here that goes past the details of the example I used to illustrate it.


Do enlighten me I'm all for learning new things.


His question: "Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual? " That applies to a lot of things, such as choosing classes for them, having them enter into a particular career, having them get or not get a car, etc.

The money issue was an example, which why it said "For example" in front of it.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:00:17 PM   
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Fair enough but that is a bit like saying an accountant can never be dominated by anyone other than another accountant.

 
That's not what I am saying at all. I am saying that someone will probably not learn how to be an accountant if their partner does all the accounting, thus robbing them of the experience.
 
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The question seemed to imply that a submissives life experience will be stunted by the Master taking over everyday responsibilities.

 
There was no implying. It was suggesting an abstract concept for discussion (If you reread my post, I make a point to note the distinction of the word CAN and the word IS to avoid this false assumption you are making).
 
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How often does this happen?


I have an uncle who never moved out of his parent's house. He still continues to live in the same authority dynamic that was present as a child. He is currently 40 and because of the lack of independence and being able to make his own decisions, there is many parts of him that aren't present in comparision to the average independent adult.
 
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 Therefore any Dominant’s feeling a moral dilemma over such things is off the mark in most cases anyway.
Thank you for your opinion. I will have to weigh it in light of your misinterruptation and weak arguments.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:02:36 PM   
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I didn't know jack shit about budgeting or investing when I was 19 and there is a vast difference between my knowledge now and then.


It's a bit myopic to judge others by your own standards.


You sure like to project a lot. I would be interested to knowing where I was comparing anyone to my standards. You said my OP would not have any resemblence to anyone's personal experiences. I am submitting my own personal experiences to disaprove your statement.

I would agree though if I was, in fact, doing that. I would even go as far as to say such an action would be as myopic as negating the value of a discussion based on solely your own personal experiences.



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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:02:38 PM   
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Fair enough but that is a bit like saying an accountant can never be dominated by anyone other than another accountant. I just wish people would separate the D/s type things from the everyday vanilla because in a lot of cases a Dominant will understand the key skills of a submissive and not assume responsibility for such things anyway. The question seemed to imply that a submissives life experience will be stunted by the Master taking over everyday responsibilities. How often does this happen? Therefore any Dominant’s feeling a moral dilemma over such things is off the mark in most cases anyway.


It asked, directly, can a submissive's life experience be stunted by the master taking control - not a submissive's life experience will be stunted. I think a dominant should consider that when taking control over someone.

And of course accountents can be owned. Even if they turned their money over to the dominant legally they could still balence the books for their owners. I don't think what I said in any way implied that accountents can not be owned. Are they physically or legally unable to give their money to their partner or have their partner tell them what to do with it?

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:03:04 PM   
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His question: "Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual? " That applies to a lot of things, such as choosing classes for them, having them enter into a particular career, having them get or not get a car, etc.
The money issue was an example, which why it said "For example" in front of it.


Isn't being the dominant about confidence in your choices for someone else anyway?



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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:05:50 PM   
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His question: "Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual? " That applies to a lot of things, such as choosing classes for them, having them enter into a particular career, having them get or not get a car, etc.
The money issue was an example, which why it said "For example" in front of it.


Isn't being the dominant about confidence in your choices for someone else anyway?




What does that have to do with it? Just because you are confident in your choices doesn't mean you are going to be alive in ten years or even in ten days. If your sub/slave doesn't know how to manage an area of their life because you took control of it, when you are gone they will be stuck.

Hell, you can be confident in your choices and still be dead-wrong.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:07:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
His question: "Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual? " That applies to a lot of things, such as choosing classes for them, having them enter into a particular career, having them get or not get a car, etc.
The money issue was an example, which why it said "For example" in front of it.


Isn't being the dominant about confidence in your choices for someone else anyway?




What does that have to do with a submissive not developing confidence in their own choices at a young age because a dominant made them all?

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:08:48 PM   
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You sure like to project a lot.


How do you know I'm projecting?



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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:10:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
His question: "Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual? " That applies to a lot of things, such as choosing classes for them, having them enter into a particular career, having them get or not get a car, etc.
The money issue was an example, which why it said "For example" in front of it.


Isn't being the dominant about confidence in your choices for someone else anyway?




What does that have to do with a submissive not developing confidence in their own choices at a young age because a dominant made them all?


Thats what I want to know.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:10:57 PM   
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You sure like to project a lot.


How do you know I'm projecting?



To start with, I would say that saying something doesn't happen and isn't worth discussing because it hasn't happened in your personal experiences is a good example of projecting.



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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:12:07 PM   
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Thats what I want to know.


Would anyone who is not interested in being annoying be interested in discussing this issue?


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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:13:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		You've answered your own question already.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:15:27 PM   
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Do you seriously think young people have no clue about personal finances and based on what?



I didn't know jack shit about budgeting or investing when I was 19 and there is a vast difference between my knowledge now and then.

And given that your reply so far is the only one screaming "Oh this is so irrelevant", you might want to reconsider your opinion based on fact.

(As well as drop the "My Kink is OK, but Your Kink of Giving Up Control of Your Money Fucking Sucks and Is Stupid" attitude)

That's my opinion.

Edited to Add : (You might try thinking a bit and realizing there is a greater philosophical question here that goes past the details of the example I used to illustrate it)
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:16:25 PM   
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I think there is still an equation at work in regards to personal growth that involves time and experience. The more passage of the time, the more experience and knowledge you are able to accumulate. Hence, time ultimately presents a limit as to how much a person can experience and learn.


I wouldn't go as far as saying time presets an actual limit, but MOST younger people won't be as experienced and will show that with the things they say and their actions.



Even though it's not relevant to my question, the best analogy I can use to describe what I am talking about by that equation is reading books. You can only read so many books in the course of one day so someone who has been reading books for one month will know less than someone who has been reading books for a year. Time presents a realistic cap.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:20:57 PM   
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At 18 i had a job, my own apartment,. car, bank account, savings, etc. i wanted a D/s relationship, but i would never ever hand over my financial control to anyone. It isn't wise and why does he need it anyway  if i am doing a good job with it? That is just part of a fantasy and i prefer to live in real life.

And Aqua sub is 100 percent right. It is alive and well and i wonder how many people have lost everything they've had to someone they didn't know who took them for everything they had.

It is one thing to be submissive, it's another thing to be stupid.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's just silly. It's not how many books you read it's are you comprehending them that makes you know more.

It's like saying "i've had 25 suibmissives in the last year and you've only had one so i know more than you."

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:25:42 PM   
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That's just silly. It's not how many books you read it's are you comprehending them that makes you know more.

It's like saying "i've had 25 suibmissives in the last year and you've only had one so i know more than you."


Okkkkaaaayyyy....then time presents a cap on how many books you can comprehend?

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 2:26:15 PM   
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And Aqua sub is 100 percent right. It is alive and well and i wonder how many people have lost everything they've had to someone they didn't know who took them for everything they had.

It is one thing to be submissive, it's another thing to be stupid.


That isn't even remotely close to what I was saying - which is that it is alive and well and it's no more a bad thing than the kink for getting your ass beaten.

Having the kink for giving your money to someone doesn't mean you are going to lose everything. Frankly, I don't think it's any more stupid to give all your money away to a domme than it is to gamble it away. I believe that most people manage that kink responsibly, giving what they can afford to with money that would have been spent on things like video games or beer.

Having the kink for controlling and getting money doesn't mean you are going to take everything either. I've seen dominants express quite clearly that they only want what the sub/slave can afford to lose. Controlling the money can also mean making them put it in a 401(K) or a retirement fund for the sub/slave's own good.

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