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republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 7:36:58 AM   
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"A cartoon drawing of McCain in the mailing shows the senator inside a POW cell labeled McCain Headquarters. "Hanoi Songbird" and "Elect Me" are among the phrases scratched on the cell walls, along with "An Enormous Crime/ The POWS I Helped Leave Behind."

Just imagine what`s in store for Hillary,Obama,or John Edwards.The lunitic fringe(w/ the help of FoxNews) is going to attempt to deep-fry the next democratic presidential candidate.

How John McCain can stand to see and smell these guys,is quite heroic,in of it`s self.



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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 8:03:25 AM   
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 8:14:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		You do know that Rupert Murdoch who runs Fox News supports Hillary, right?

And McCain poked the eyes of his party far too many times. The GOP will never forgive him on the gang of 14 and the McCain-Kennedy amnesty legislation.
The Democrats do the same kind of things. Look how the Dems treated Joe Lieberman the past few years all because he supported the war. His own party even tried to knock him out of the Senate because he wasnt liberal enough.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 8:14:22 AM   
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 8:19:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's absolutely disgusting. And I wouldn't discount the potency of these efforts; they certainly impacted John Kerry's campaign.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 8:29:32 AM   
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All we need to know about "Ace" McCain is in his book "Faith of My Fathers" in which he freely admits to being a liar and a cheat.  He also freely admits to collaborating with his captors at the "Hanoi Hilton"
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 9:01:24 AM   
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You do know that Rupert Murdoch who runs Fox News supports Hillary, right?

And McCain poked the eyes of his party far too many times. The GOP will never forgive him on the gang of 14 and the McCain-Kennedy amnesty legislation.
The Democrats do the same kind of things. Look how the Dems treated Joe Lieberman the past few years all because he supported the war. His own party even tried to knock him out of the Senate because he wasnt liberal enough.







Murdoch  only supports money,and himself,and does that by supporting winners.So what?

That foreigner(who owns FoxNews and has no allegiance to America) Rupert Murdoch, is a very shrewd guy,and will throw some money/support her way.It`s a very good investment,no big deal, there.

It also points to Hillary as not being the flaming, evil horrible liberal she`s portrayed to be.Win,win.

And the Connecticut Democratic party,legally and fairly tossed J. Lieberman, out of their party.That`s America,sorry.They never said one word about him directly,and was he soundly defeated in their primary.FYI,that`s democracy,and how things work(or are supposed to),in America.

He was never besmirched by the Connecticut Democratic Party,or even the guy who beat him(in an election,you know, democracy) soundly.That was the will of the voters of Connecticut,and while this is still a free country,they don`t have to answer to outsiders about their choices.

Everyone knows that republicans(except one or two) are dirty fighters.

The dems will have to climb down into the gutter,just to be  face to face w/ these guys.B/c the swift-boaters and the "swift booters" and scum like Karl Rove,are from the sewer.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 9:13:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		It mentions only that the mailer was from a "Vietnam Veteran's" group. No party affiliation mentioned.

It's a disgusting hit piece, Not even close to being a legitimate swiftboating.

Oh and Owner the direct lie campaign the falsified MS Word documents from 1970's that were thrown Bush's way were not as dirty a trick as any Republican???????

There are no clean fighters in the big 2 parties when it comes to presidential elections.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 9:18:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Owner59:
All we need to know about "Ace" McCain is in his book "Faith of My Fathers" in which he freely admits to being a liar and a cheat.  He also freely admits to collaborating with his captors at the "Hanoi Hilton"
thompson



Hope you`re being sarcastic.

Airman John McCain had his hands bound behind him,and was lifted by his hands up off the floor,bending  backwards and rotating his arms backwards and up,until both shoulder joints dislocated.He was left to hand like that,in excruciating pain for hours.

Just to illistrate,stand up-right,slightly bowed,holding your hands together, behind  your back .Now lift your hands towards the cieling,which makes you bow farther as your arms lift up.Have someone lift up on your arms.Ouch!

Imagine hanging by all your body weight,like this,from your hands(elbows are also bound together).As your arms rotate back,your lifted off the floor.Most times,it takes quite a while,for the joints to come apart.This is not a sports injury,it`s bending a guys arms completely around,backwards.Not pretty,slow and horrific.There was no "safe" word ,in that prison.

I`d like to see any "tough guy" critic of his,take that and not break.

BTW, McCain was never properly treated, after having his arms torn out of his shoulders sockets,and they healed untreated and messed up.He carries those messed up shoulders and their problems, to this day,unseen.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 9:54:35 AM   
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Is there anything that a Democrat or the party can to that you wouldn't support? Appreciating your prejudicial stance, I sure wish you can clearly illustrate what makes the you so religiously Democratic, or where you see such as clear distinction? Seriously, I stand by to learn and would love to know. The leaders of both cross the country in private jets, have little in common with their constituency, and play to their Corporate Masters. It was never more clearly shown than in the bi-partisan support for amnesty for illegal alien workers and the McCain-Feingold Act, which effectively took national elected office out of reach of any 'common' citizen.

Meanwhile, after the dust settles and either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton are running. The 'best' material will come from this primary campaign. I can see the President Bill Clinton speech regarding Senator Obmana's experience being played as a Republican campaign ad. While if Senator Clinton heads the ticket will be hearing about how she tried to negate the Nevada Casino Union's endorsement of Obama. 

BTW - What's happening with the Democratic 'end the war' group we elected last November? How is it that no Democratic candidate says unequivocally that once in office they will withdraw? While on the topic, why isn't there one Bill pending in this session of Congress in either house targeted to leaving Iraq?

Wouldn't a clear "I'll order our troops out Iraq the day I take office" statement get the person making it elected by acclimation or at least nominated by acclimation? Why is there hesitancy from these candidates now to stand alone regarding an issue they found valid when standing in a group? They are campaigning for a position that would give them the power to do what they could only vote for and see shot down by an obstinate President. If they see that issue valid and the stance they took in voting correct why not stand up and say that it would be the defacto result of being elected. Both supported ending the financing of Iraq. A good idea as a Senator, but not as President? 

As a candidate for the office having that power - why not shout it from the rooftops? It would make either or both of them a show in for the presidency based upon the same premise that brought the Democrats to the majority in both houses.

Biased and slanted isn't limited to Foolish Old Xenophiles or the Communist News Network. Myopic vision isn't limited to supporters of one party more than the other. 

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 10:01:49 AM   
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Murdoch  only supports money,and himself,and does that by supporting winners.So what?


The point that I got was that you said Fox News was part of it, and if Murdoch supports Hillary, I doubt Fox news will pull many stunts.

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That foreigner(who owns FoxNews and has no allegiance to America) Rupert Murdoch, is a very shrewd guy,and will throw some money/support her way.It`s a very good investment,no big deal, there.


Many non-foreigners are just in it for the money as well. I look more poorly on those that claim Americans, and then do things that hurt the country, on both sides of the aisle.

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It also points to Hillary as not being the flaming, evil horrible liberal she`s portrayed to be.Win,win.


What points to her not being a flaming, evil, horrible liberal? Being too extreme liberal or too extreme conservative is bad. I believe she is just a business as usual politician, and that her goal is to be as powerful as possible. I believe this is why she does not take many clear stands on some issues, so she can play both sides. That tactic can be politically smart as politics are now, but I am hoping the American people wake up soon, and stop accepting compromises of principle, for political power.

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And the Connecticut Democratic party,legally and fairly tossed J. Lieberman, out of their party.That`s America,sorry.They never said one word about him directly,and was he soundly defeated in their primary.FYI,that`s democracy,and how things work(or are supposed to),in America.


I agree with you that the Conn Dem Party tossed him out in a democratic fashion, but America is not supposed to be about a Democracy, but a Republic. I feel the both parties have had cause to kick people out of their party, and often did not take the opportunity to do so.

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He was never besmirched by the Connecticut Democratic Party,or even the guy who beat him(in an election,you know, democracy) soundly.That was the will of the voters of Connecticut,and while this is still a free country,they don`t have to answer to outsiders about their choices.


True enough, as long as voters come to their own conclusions, without deciet being used.

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Everyone knows that republicans(except one or two) are dirty fighters.


Generalities like this are often wrong. I believe both parties have used non-ethical things in campaigns over the years. I do agree that this is a bullshit way to attack McCain. While I may disagree with the guy on several things, I still respect him and the service he has done for this country.

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The dems will have to climb down into the gutter,just to be  face to face w/ these guys.B/c the swift-boaters and the "swift booters" and scum like Karl Rove,are from the sewer.


The Dems are not clean in things either. Both sides use poltical hatchetmen in their campaigns.

Thanks for the link though, and this is another reason why I left political affiliations a while back. 

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 10:13:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Owner59:
All we need to know about "Ace" McCain is in his book "Faith of My Fathers" in which he freely admits to being a liar and a cheat.  He also freely admits to collaborating with his captors at the "Hanoi Hilton"
thompson



Hope you`re being sarcastic.

Airman John McCain had his hands bound behind him,and was lifted by his hands up off the floor,bending  backwards and rotating his arms backwards and up,until both shoulder joints dislocated.He was left to hand like that,in excruciating pain for hours.

Just to illistrate,stand up-right,slightly bowed,holding your hands together, behind  your back .Now lift your hands towards the cieling,which makes you bow farther as your arms lift up.Have someone lift up on your arms.Ouch!

Imagine hanging by all your body weight,like this,from your hands(elbows are also bound together).As your arms rotate back,your lifted off the floor.Most times,it takes quite a while,for the joints to come apart.This is not a sports injury,it`s bending a guys arms completely around,backwards.Not pretty,slow and horrific.There was no "safe" word ,in that prison.

I`d like to see any "tough guy" critic of his,take that and not break.

BTW, McCain was never properly treated, after having his arms torn out of his shoulders sockets,and they healed untreated and messed up.He carries those messed up shoulders and their problems, to this day,unseen.

Owner59:
I was not being sarcastic at all.
"Ace" McCain was not the only POW in the "Hanoi Hilton" but, he is the only "POW"  to become a U.S. Senator that collaborated with the North Vietnamese.
I am not asking you to take some hostile persons opinion, that may have an ax to grind with the "ACE", only asking you to read his own self-serving autobiography.
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 10:14:36 AM   
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This stuff is not new and it's not going to end. Been going on since the founding of the country. And if you think it is bad now...wait until the general election.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 10:50:00 AM   
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 10:54:33 AM   
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 11:16:09 AM   
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Owner59:
I was not being sarcastic at all.
"Ace" McCain was not the only POW in the "Hanoi Hilton" but, he is the only "POW"  to become a U.S. Senator that collaborated with the North Vietnamese.
I am not asking you to take some hostile persons opinion, that may have an ax to grind with the "ACE", only asking you to read his own self-serving autobiography.
thompson


This only proves,"it takes all kinds".

Well,I`m pretty much going to ignore your posts,from now on.Thanks for the big brown letters,it`ll make it easier to skip over them.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 11:45:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whats funny is that Thompsonx is part of the Anti Bush, Anti Neo Con crowd and has been on the same side as owner, at least 90% of the time.  The Dem Candidate is going to need Thompsons (he like all of us kind of represent larger voting blocs/perspectives) vote or the Reps have a good shot of winning.  Come the election it is not a matter of who is hated the most, but who can get the most supporters to the polls.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 11:53:55 AM   
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How about how the Democrats bash Bush non-stop about how he dodged the draft. Yet Clinton dodged the draft and he's treated like a god by the Democratic party.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 12:02:44 PM   
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Why not?

Because he is a hamster, and on-one seems to have realized it!

Rats as Presidents are common enough, but hamsters..........?

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/18/2008 12:13:42 PM   
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Whats funny is that Thompsonx is part of the Anti Bush, Anti Neo Con crowd and has been on the same side as owner, at least 90% of the time.  The Dem Candidate is going to need Thompsons (he like all of us kind of represent larger voting blocs/perspectives) vote or the Reps have a good shot of winning.  Come the election it is not a matter of who is hated the most, but who can get the most supporters to the polls.


luckydog1:
I have also agreed with you when you are right.
I see no difference between the demopubs and the republicrats.
I would rather vote for what I want and not get it than to vote for what I don't want just so I could be on the winning side.
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