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Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:12:42 AM

SimplyMichael

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We have all heard of "name dropping" which in general means using the names of others to provide authority/experience/knowledge to yourself rather than earn it directly through your own actions. While cheesy, it does at least have the advantage that it can be verified.

I want to add a new term to the BDSM lexicon, "time dropping" which is much more insidious because it cannot be verified. "I remember when honor/respect/martians was better/deeper/harder etc." or whatever other bullshit the poster is spreading.

A person's opinion should stand on its own and not need the shoulders of people or in this case, the past, real or imagined to give it weight. Of course talking about people you know and times past have their place but like identifying pornography you might not be able to write the perfect definition but you can recognize it when you see it...

So, "time dropping"...yeah or nay?

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:15:32 AM

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Don't see anything wrong about it

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:20:08 AM

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New term? nah -- I remember back in the '60s we used that all the time when I used to hang with ol' Whats his name ;)

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:25:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

We have all heard of "name dropping" which in general means using the names of others to provide authority/experience/knowledge to yourself rather than earn it directly through your own actions. While cheesy, it does at least have the advantage that it can be verified.

I want to add a new term to the BDSM lexicon, "time dropping" which is much more insidious because it cannot be verified. "I remember when honor/respect/martians was better/deeper/harder etc." or whatever other bullshit the poster is spreading.

A person's opinion should stand on its own and not need the shoulders of people or in this case, the past, real or imagined to give it weight. Of course talking about people you know and times past have their place but like identifying pornography you might not be able to write the perfect definition but you can recognize it when you see it...

So, "time dropping"...yeah or nay?

"Time dropping" is just another formula for an appeal to authority. It is bad logic (and therefore bad form) in any venue.

That is my opinion, stated in the here and now, with nary a clue about "time when....".

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:26:10 AM

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I'm all for it. And based on the title, I thought this was going to be about the "I have 30 years experience..." profiles which tend to make me wonder who they are trying to convince.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:27:24 AM

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So, "time dropping"...yeah or nay?

It's as credible as name dropping. Whether one knows Jay Weisman or whether one has been practicing BDSM since your grandpa was a babe, it's what one does with one's own knowledge, and the wisdom one possesses, that gives a person credibility.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:28:23 AM

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I'm all for it. And based on the title, I thought this was going to be about the "I have 30 years experience..." profiles which tend to make me wonder who they are trying to convince.

lol I have something similar. ANd I actually don't know why it is. Gonna change it... thank you for naming the stupidity lol

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:31:36 AM

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I do not call it 'Time dropping'. It's just being stuck in the past.
'Time dropping' isn't bullshit if your talking about something about you've experienced personally as an example - only when you apply it to everyone or everything or even worse, when you look back on it as the 'good ole days'.
And name dropping is crass and kind of sad in a way.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 11:52:24 AM

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We seem to feel that unlike the seven steps to Kevin Bacon--we have to validate our experiences with time---and I will tell you I look at that hard--I have an issue with " I am a Master and have been so for several years" and the guy is 19--hellloooo---and I have to tell you, at My age, hell ya I want to time drop, I've been around, I've paid My dues, I have experiences--now given that I don't come out and say, " when I was your age xxx"--I lean to " My experience has taught Me"---however that IMHO does not mean a damn thing to someone who has had a life different than Mine.

I think we as a world feel the need to always validate our opinions and ideas, because we as a world, especially in the US have a burning need to one up so we can be king or queen of the hill.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:01:22 PM

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I think it has a place in the conversation, but it ought to be taken with the same grain of salt as a guy playing space invaders at the arcade and telling the kid playing Guitar hero that he is useless and that video games aren't what they once were. Yes, time does tend to mean you have experience, but where I have seeen, once you pass a point, say, oh 4 or 5 years. Especially as a dom, your experiences are repeats or outright the same. There are people around who have been in the lifestyle 20+ years, and there is respect to be given with that, but at the same time, I wouldn't give my grandfather who fought in WWII the controls to a sidewinder missile when he has spent the last 50 years enjoying his M-1. As far as I'm concerned 20 years of experience in MOST cases, not all, is simply the same year of experience over and over. There are exceptions but there's something to be said for mixing youthful novelty and some new ideas and maybe time finds a way to do it better that you're not wild about, that doesn't make it any less better.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:04:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: lauren0221

I'm all for it. And based on the title, I thought this was going to be about the "I have 30 years experience..." profiles which tend to make me wonder who they are trying to convince.

lol I have something similar. ANd I actually don't know why it is. Gonna change it... thank you for naming the stupidity lol

Oops:) Didn't mean you of course. In my experience, the number of years someone has been doing something does not have a direct correlation with their skill and ability to perform whatever that something is.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:09:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lauren0221

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: lauren0221

I'm all for it. And based on the title, I thought this was going to be about the "I have 30 years experience..." profiles which tend to make me wonder who they are trying to convince.

lol I have something similar. ANd I actually don't know why it is. Gonna change it... thank you for naming the stupidity lol

Oops:) Didn't mean you of course. In my experience, the number of years someone has been doing something does not have a direct correlation with their skill and ability to perform whatever that something is.

lol don't worry...you were right :P I changed it

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:35:05 PM

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I like the term.

To me the difference is the intent of how the information is delivered. If it is for informational purposes only and leave that up to the person you communicating with is perfectly fine in my book. On the other hand, using information you are providing to convey you are right or better then anyone else is where anything of this nature is totally lame and of the mind of an insecure or desperate person.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:38:15 PM

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Does it matter if some one uses it, when the rest of his/her lecture/story is well written?

we should worry about dropping bombs

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:38:37 PM

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Bah! What's this newfangled BDSM malarkey?

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:40:02 PM

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Bah! What's this newfangled BDSM malarkey?

In *my* day, we pushed a hoop with a stick down a dirt road! And we were grateful!

Uphill both ways, I assume?

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:41:31 PM

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It is my thought that "time dropping" is a practice which rapidly becomes redundant and causes the opposite effect in which it was intended. Granted maybe once in a converstaion to engage in time dropping only to emphsis a point is more then sufficient. Anything else I feel is redundant and useless.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:44:39 PM

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Bah! What's this newfangled BDSM malarkey?

In *my* day, we pushed a hoop with a stick down a dirt road! And we were grateful!

Uphill both ways, I assume?

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:45:12 PM

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SimplyMichael, Ladies and Gentlemen;

There will be those who do have real connections with well known names as well as having years to fall back on and or use them as a reference point, as to be a 'time line.' Just as there will be those who are in your own words -- "bullshitters." The problem is--anybody who you dislike and or envious of--you become very spiteful, regardless of their time and or connections. Very sad. -Be it you or anybody else.

I have seen you group association drop, name drop and 'time drop' which has been terms used in the scene for those who were senior to me in the 1960's and still used around in my circles. So, there is no new 'invention' of terms as far as I can see--its been around for a long time. I haven't seen any, to include myself say you are full of (in your own words) full of 'bullshit.' I find it totally unnecessary myself-- the "bullshit" manifests as clearly as the eloquent term for person who renders themselves much like a hoofed animal's rear end as-- an "ass hat." Nor, should anybody else be subjected to judgment by those who are far away and have no personal means to vouch one direction or the other, to the falsehoods and or truths to someone's connections, time in the scene and or their qualifications and the like.

The danger though -- is besmirching a person's reputation from a point of personal opinion and not based on actual witnessing and or interaction, affects/effects the community at a larger scope. Even implied and or manipulated wit, as to guise the insults and or attacks, are not as cleaverly veiled as some hope. A pattern of behavior develops regardless of the many screen names or not. It will soon be discovered it is just another case of sour grapes, to which is becoming more common these days. Unfortunate--but true.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 12:47:18 PM

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I don't see as much of a problem with it as you do mainly because some of us have been around the block a few times and DID experience things in the past. It would really be silly to have to avoid giving advice because I can't find a notary public to verify my events fifteen years ago.

Where I think you're in error by dismissing the experiences of others is one's opinions can often be based on past experience. Otherwise, everyone would be arguing in a vacuum. I can't tell you how many arguments I've gotten into with people whose ONLY experience is their online discussions but believe that makes them an expert. Now, I'm not claiming to be an expert myself, but when I do know something about something, I like the ability to be able to talk about it without having to stupidify my response in terminology that equates to having to accept tabula rasa because I don't have video documentary evidence.

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