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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 10:21:22 AM   
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I was fat kid up until about age 22. I was clinically obese (I had a bodyfat % around 30%) and desperate to get help. I lost enough weight to get into a Marine Corps Officer's ascension program called "The Platoon Leader's Course" (PLC) and succesfully (barely) completed the first summer session.

I got kicked out the next year for being a "fatbody." I had gained it all back - I will never in my life forget standing in a passageway at the mainside hospital at Quantico in my skivvies, rolls of fat hanging over the side of the waist band while a major and two captains screamed at me, told me what a disgusting failure I was, that I should kill myself and remove my genes from the pool.

I know that my drive to shape my body and pursue the level this level of phsycial power is in part a reaction to that early self-image.

Faramir


i don't know much about the armed forces, but what was said to You, Faramir, was horrendous and i am glad You have an outlet for Your angst. Gawd, it never ceases to amaze me what P/pl will say to the disabled/obese/etc. i wonder -- just like with the wealthy -- if they feel somehow entitled to speak so harshly, thinking their good health is due to their efforts and not the grace of God.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 10:30:14 AM   
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Actually I have noticed and asked the question myself among friends. I perceive a much higher percentage of the female population in the scene to be very overweight versus the percentage of the female population in general. I have asked myself why. I don't have any clear answers.

I also ask the same thing about smokers, I perceive a much higher percentage of people in the scene to be smokers versus the percentage of smokers in general. I have asked myself why this might be. I don't have any clear answers.

I also am amused how any question on weight invariably turns into "We're great people, fat doesn't matter!" dogma.

Emeraldslave2


Since there is no place on one's profile to indicate "smoker" i wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that BDSM'ers smoke more than vanilla ppl. Likewise, i wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that more BDSM'ers are overweight...there appears to be no statistical basis for your assertions.
i think it's a bit of generalising and not terribly constructive. i have met my share of HNG's but few Men with a self-esteem problem tied to their weight, etc. A dominant Man does not cease to have the character of a dominant Man due to losing hair, putting on weight, etc. My understanding is it is a feeling known almost from childhood. It is immutable. The same as to submissives. Some feelings do not change as we gain weight...not about submission...anymore than they'd change as we stopped smoking.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 10:35:57 AM   
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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 10:39:17 AM   
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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 10:49:21 AM   
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I was once told that many BBW women weren't actually submissive but couldn't find any other way to get attention from men than by pretending an interest in BDSM, and that by offering kinky sex or other perversities they could thereby gain some level of attention from a male. (A BBW woman told me this)

DeepWaters


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You gotta be kidding me....

I never had any problem getting laid, nor have I ever had any problem gaining male attention. This is the most bogus theory I've ever heard. Do some woman, thin or fat mistake their own demons for this lifestyle? Yes. Can some broad who happens to be fat catagorize all other fat women into some misguided example of kink gone wrong? I should sincerely hope not.

If my interest in BDSM is pretend, as a means to get attention by offering perverted acts to men who would otherwise be uninterested, then my Sir's gonna punish the shit out of me when he finds out....

Lily


There is an inherent fallacy in Your thinking...every woman, of whatever size, would have to have access to information about BDSM at a certain age and choose or not to participate. i myself found out by accident/curiosity due to a stray remark in a vanilla chat forum..in jan '04. i have been a curvaceous woman all my adult life; and what i found was my girlfriends ragged on me to diet, but Men seemed to love it. Go figure.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 10:59:38 AM   
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Seeing that I have the reputation in the past, when I was single, being see at a variety of functions with various women, some of whom were catwalk or Photographic Models and at other times with the most outstanding BBW, I fail to see the hoorah…. A person, male or female, is beautiful within themselves. the most beautiful BBW I have known was Plain Jane to look at but sheesh what a mind and personality…. She was a stunner. For those who think that BBW cant get laid.. I’ll tell you up front that 99% of the models I’ve dated and laid were so self absorbed that they were useless in bed.. Bloody hell until my knee got screwed and I was laid up from normal physical exercise I was well build including a 6 pack and played my last game of American Football at the age of 47. Now I have a belly and some additional padding (Am working on a get healthy program for my own benefit), so who am I toss the odd stone at people for how they look…

IronBear


*sigh* i adore this Dom.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 11:02:25 AM   
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Ok, if anything, my original post got a lot of response. It sure seems to strike a nerve with a lot of people, and I find all your replies interesting (even the insulting ones). In response:
1. I didn't say "all" BBW's, I said "many". Those of you who accuse me of generalizing, you should have read more carefully.
2. Even the title of the post says "I wonder". Those of you who accuse me of attacking BBW's, It's a MUSING, people.
3. I also said I "suspect". This means I consider my statement to be a POSSIBILITY.
4. The last part clearly states a PREFERENCE about one's SECURITY, and includes "no matter what their body-type".
It seems that SOME people only read what they want to read. I knew this post would catch a lot of flak, and if I was concerned about pleasing everyone I'd go hide in the corner and keep my mouth shut. It doesn't matter what one says, there's always going to be people who disagree or even get offended.
Here's a hypothetical question:
If you rubbed the magic lamp and the genie granted you one wish, and your choices were:
A. To have a slim, fit body
B. To remove all prejudice or stigma towards overweight people worldwide
Which would you choose? Be honest, now! (sorry, whirled peas not included in wish list :)


i'd choose to remove prejudice. Bigots drive me bugshit.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 11:03:35 AM   
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then again alot of submissives were also abused.....


Really??? Data check. Where did you find this please.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 11:05:52 AM   
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I have been overweight for the majority of my life. For some reason in my family when we hit puberty we blow up. At school kids called me a fat ass especially one chick who was actually a little bigger than me. I saw her recently....she's HUGE! She has no figure what so ever and looks like a ball. For the most part I don't judge ppl on how they look but she made my life absolutely miserable. Yes Karma does work.
Just because I'm overweight doesn't mean I'm insecure...in fact most guys look at me cause I have big boobs and most of them guess under by about 20 lbs. as to what I actually weigh.
Fawne how's this I'll give you my boobs, LOL I'm a DD and I actually hate them they get in the way of everything.
Do I have issues with my weight? I have my moments, I recently lost 25 lbs. without trying and was shocked at it and it did make me feel better about myself, but even still I dropped from an 18 to a 13...now I'm wondering if I could get down to 11.
Like fawne says it never really ends. It's all commercialism, and society's rules. I don't care about society's rules sick of 'em. If I like something and it fits I'm going to wear it, if someone doesn't like it then don't talk to me simple as that. Maybe it's a snaughty attitude I don't know the way I think about it is, if I spent all my time worrying about the negative thoughts of people, I wouldn't like myself too much.
It is natural for humans to judge people be appearance solely based for a physical attraction. Then go for their brains and attitude. I may end up being attracted to a guy and then not like they're attitude then my attraction towards him slips away.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 11:08:26 AM   
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Fawne how's this I'll give you my boobs, LOL I'm a DD and I actually hate them they get in the way of everything.


If we are starting the boob line, can I take a number? ~grin~

That's always been the thing that's pissed me off about my body. I'm not particularly boob proportional to the rest of me. And when I lose weight, by by tits....

Oh the crosses we subbies must bare....

Lily

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 11:09:46 AM   
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This is to everyone in general on the post...yes the Op made some remarks that touched a lot of peoples' emotions, as it WAS intended to. Now, maybe because of my inherent personality, since I said what I meant to say and covered it completely and succintly ( I believe, anyways) at the beginning of the post, I said my peace (right or wrong in anyone else's eyes) on the subject. If I actually cared what other people thought(such as the OP, but not targeted specifically at him) , I might keep posting. Does it matter, in the grand scheme of life, if you are able to sway his or others' opinions? No. Does it change anyones' value whether or not they get the other "to see the light" as you see it? No. Are those types going to ever"see the light" as you see it? No. Again, does it matter? No.

I am comfortable in my skin(very comfortable, smiles). Everyone has the right to their opinion, no matter how misguided or not it is. Do I give a rat's ass what the OP or anyone else thinks of me, body-size wise, psychologically, or otherwise? No. I only care about those that are close to me, and that is only to certain extents, which is why they care as they do. I don't know about the rest of you, but I will not let someone whose values I don't know or care about induce me to dwell on their perceptions...

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 11:49:44 AM   
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I just have to wonder about the mental condition of someone that feels the desperate need to insult the whole state of Missouri just because one resident of that beautiful state happens to trip your trigger. You can say what you want about my profile, my name or even my beard, because frankly, your opinion doesn't mean squat to me. I find your childish reaction to my post to be even more judgemental and assuming than I've been accused of. You suggest I lack civility yet there is nothing civil about your intolerance and narrow-mindedness towards me. For your information my style of play is between myself and my partner(s) and if you think I'm too kinky or perverted for your taste than go spank yourself.

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ORIGINAL: GddssBella

Greetings all!


Yes, I'm back, for the moment.

I can't help myself.... I just have to wonder about the mental condition of someone that feels the desperate need to humiliate females in order to feel dominant. I personally have no problem employing in it a scene to spice up the moment. As a way of life or relationship? ARE YOU ON DRUGS?? How the heck can anyone respect their submissive if they're constantly treating them worse than their pet? (Garnered from your own profile.) Which also reminds me; perhaps interested parties should notify the A.S.P.C.A about your dubious practices?!?

Size is irrelevant in regards to submission, dominance, self esteem, image, courtesy, intelligence, what have you. The biggest sexual organ is right between the ears. After perusing the O.P.'s profile and the posts in this forum, I can only conclude I'm glad I'm a domme and don't reside anywhere near Missouri. Maybe you'd have more luck in securing a worthy submissive if you decided to shave off the 70's throwback beard and conducted yourself with a tad more civility here.....

To interested peeps, the success rate to date? 26 lbs and still losing! (Health concerns mainly, vanity aside.)


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others.....





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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 12:12:02 PM   
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BeMyDogBitch, with every next post you write here you just lessen your chances to find any selfrespectful females - which I suppose was your intention when you made a profile on CM in first place. You havent made a profile just to fight with people have you?

So, I would stop being all bratty and defensive and ask myself why in fact all those people here found your original post insulting and why are reactions on your posts and on you so negative.

Being dominant doesnt mean you have to be insolent to everyone who disagrees with you, or thinking a disagreement is sort of personal attack at you.
I would benevolently suggest that you think twice and count to ten before writing furthermore.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 12:15:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures
Since there is no place on one's profile to indicate "smoker" i wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that BDSM'ers smoke more than vanilla ppl.

Because, unlike you, I have extensive experience in real life with the bdsm community. I've been out and active for nearly 7 years, I don't need to rely on what someone does or doesn't say on a cyber profile.

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Likewise, i wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that more BDSM'ers are overweight...there appears to be no statistical basis for your assertions.

No there isn't, and my post never said "I have concluded X Y and Z."

My post said that my PERCEPTIONS have been such. My perceptions are in no way statistically valid nor should they be taken as anything than what they are- perceptions of someone with a fair amount of active and broad real life experience in the scene.

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i think it's a bit of generalising and not terribly constructive. i have met my share of HNG's but few Men with a self-esteem problem tied to their weight, etc. A dominant Man does not cease to have the character of a dominant Man due to losing hair, putting on weight, etc. My understanding is it is a feeling known almost from childhood. It is immutable. The same as to submissives. Some feelings do not change as we gain weight...not about submission...anymore than they'd change as we stopped smoking.

My post had absolutely nothing to do with feelings or how someone feels or what changes.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 12:22:10 PM   
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You can say what you want about my profile, my name or even my beard, because frankly, your opinion doesn't mean squat to me


If it didn't mean squat, you would have let the whole thing pass. Obviously, it does. Or perhaps this was just another musing...

Lily

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 1:10:16 PM   
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BeMyDogBitch, with every next post you write here you just lessen your chances to find any selfrespectful females - which I suppose was your intention when you made a profile on CM in first place. You havent made a profile just to fight with people have you?

So, I would stop being all bratty and defensive and ask myself why in fact all those people here found your original post insulting and why are reactions on your posts and on you so negative.

Being dominant doesnt mean you have to be insolent to everyone who disagrees with you, or thinking a disagreement is sort of personal attack at you.
I would benevolently suggest that you think twice and count to ten before writing furthermore
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Excellent advice, even if those that need it don't heed it.
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KC692
I am comfortable in my skin(very comfortable, smiles). Everyone has the right to their opinion, no matter how misguided or not it is. Do I give a rat's ass what the OP or anyone else thinks of me, body-size wise, psychologically, or otherwise? No. I only care about those that are close to me, and that is only to certain extents, which is why they care as they do. I don't know about the rest of you, but I will not let someone whose values I don't know or care about induce me to dwell on their perceptions
I'm totally with you there KC.. M

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 1:30:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

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then again alot of submissives were also abused.....


Really??? Data check. Where did you find this please.

Lily


A month or so ago I did a post on the statistics of abuse/neglect/rape/child molestation. It wasn't a popular post. The numbers were.. rather horrifying. I later compared my findings to the FBI databases I could view and.. well.. I was pretty on the mark. If you like I can dig it all back up and send it to you.
What Im getting at, though... is that I dont think a "high percentage of submissive women have been abused". I think "a high percentage of women have been or will be abused." Its either you.. or a friend.. or a family member. Ive yet to find a study that takes a group of only those women and compares their sex lives.. but I dont think that the majority will end up in BDSM, just the normal percentage as compared to the non abused. Just my opinion.. but I think.. in this day and age.. that being abused is the statistical norm and so it makes people believe that they end up here as many of us are.. hrmm.. more open about it?

wishing you well,
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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 2:07:37 PM   
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I love to sit back and watch people argue over topics like this. It's kind of like watching squirels fight over an acorn but not nearly as productive.

I personaly have always been drawn to women that were a little bit bigger than what every other guy I knew liked and I always thought that was just because that was what they were supposed to like. Never had a problem with it, more for me.

Just my take on things..Now back to the squirel fight. My money is on the one with one testicle.




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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 5:45:44 PM   
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It is a fact that there are a lot of male doms out there who are in the lifestyle BECAUSE they are abusive. In fact I took to the lifestyle because my relationships never worked in the vanilla world.
I would get "dom like" men all the time. Telling me what to do where to spend my money and such...and I'd tell them to screw off (that's the nice way of putting it) So they would dump me because I wouldn't handle any type of control over.
However, when I was 12 Barbie was the Queen bitch of the Universe and Ken was the little male slut.
Maybe to some people that's the wrong reason but from the beginning it just seemed to feel right.

As to the boobs...sorry folks they're reserved for my sister. and one of my friends I only wanna go down to a C cup.

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RE: BBW subs... I wonder - 9/1/2005 5:58:58 PM   
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I am comfortable in my skin(very comfortable, smiles). Everyone has the right to their opinion, no matter how misguided or not it is. Do I give a rat's ass what the OP or anyone else thinks of me, body-size wise, psychologically, or otherwise? No. I only care about those that are close to me, and that is only to certain extents, which is why they care as they do. I don't know about the rest of you, but I will not let someone whose values I don't know or care about induce me to dwell on their perceptions...

kc692


i have learned alot from the boards..and continue to learn. i am even interested in "misguided opinions" and how they were formed, whether they are common, etc. i try not to read each post as if it were written directly to me, and i try not to be emotional in reacting. i know i have failed in the past, but that too is something i have learnt.

i am interested in what other people think about a subject..i guess i'm a bit nosey. They may or may not add anything to my expressions of my values, but it's still interesting.

in my opinion..laughs..people are somewhat fascinated with BBW's and their thinking, excersize, beliefs, relationships, etc. i do not see this level of fascination with other women, who weigh closer to the "ideal".

i wonder why that is.

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