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So, what should penalty for having an illegal abortion be? - 1/23/2008 7:39:08 PM

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Prison? The electric chair.

These journalists want to know: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo , so they went out and asked the picketers.

Apparently, they didn't really think through their desire to have abortions made illegal.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 7:41:18 PM

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Anti choice usually means pro death penalty I thought? Personally I am against abortion, and would do everything I could to keep my offspring's mother from having one, but I also do not believe the government should be making that choice for us.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 7:54:58 PM

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I'm not sure what I'd set the penalty at. More to the point, I'd be setting it for even having an abortion, as, to me, they're (almost) all of illegal character (medical reasonings being an exception, as with probably incest/rape). It would be somewhere more severe than a parking ticket but not as severe as first degree murder.

But it's like figuring out what the penalty for rape should be in an old world society where it was common.. if you set it too high, a large portion of the population's suffering heavily. Not that they might not deserve it, but it may strike one as unseemly.

I see the fetus as having life, and therefore an intrinsic (sp?) value. However.. is its life equal to that of, say, a young adult? That's something I'm still pondering. For right now, I consider it to have a life with value, but short of an adult human's value. (Hence my view that abortions are fine if the mother's life is threatened, but not for convinience.) So it's like mini-murder or something, sometimes under duress.

If I had to make a law, I'd be in favor of a lighter sentense at first.. as it would seem a bit harsh to suddenly impose a strong one. Maybe three months to a year's jail time (varying from "child would grow up in poor conditions" to "I'm rich but just don't want a brat to annoy me"), some sort of fine if appropriate (if the offender had a lot of money, the a light fine would work.. if they didn't, no fine).

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 7:56:48 PM

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So, you'd break up a family and take the mother away from her other children to incarcerate her for up to a year?

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 7:57:46 PM

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Yeah. I'd do the same if she just had a baby and threw it into the river, too.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 7:58:30 PM

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Great vid Farg,bravo.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 8:50:54 PM

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Thanks for the great video. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 9:20:40 PM

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If...

IF...

Life, human life, begins at conception is abortion moral and ethical?

I mean... if we are asking questions let's start with that one.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 9:37:52 PM

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Why don`t you just answer the question?

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/23/2008 9:39:41 PM

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What I find ironic is that so many people who are pro life are also pro death penalty. Go figure.

I don't personally want to have an abortion but I don't want some man in a robe pounding a gavel and telling me that my right to have one has been taken away.

It does boil down to the when does life begin question. To me it does not begin when sperm meets the egg.... how is that a human life? Hold on... hold on.... it's in- it's a human being. If the fetus is not self-sustaining, to me it's not a life but a potential life. Sperm in one test tube and an egg in another test tube is also a potential life- just mix.

I think that those who think it's a life should be free to not have an abortion and should have no say in what others wish to do with their own bodies.

As far as punishment... the punishment is ongoing. Ever try going to an ob/gyn office who performs abortions? It sickens me to think that a woman with a family could be placed in jail for making a decision of what to do with her own body. Pro-Lifers don't consider the effects of the already born children who would be losing their mother for however long.... and the long-term effects it would have on the children and the family.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 6:55:33 AM

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It does boil down to the when does life begin question. To me it does not begin when sperm meets the egg.... how is that a human life? Hold on... hold on.... it's in- it's a human being. If the fetus is not self-sustaining, to me it's not a life but a potential life. Sperm in one test tube and an egg in another test tube is also a potential life- just mix.

Hi Lady Angel, this is my belief too, until a foetus is able to survive outside of the woman carrying it, it is part of the woman, her body, her emotional and physical health, and her final decision.

Just as an aside, I was reading an article at Second Look Project...an anti abortion site... one of its points was regarding pressuring a woman to have an abortion and this was mentioned

An on-line survey of women who had abortions showed that many women feel pressured by the baby’s father: 85% of fathers offered no encouragement to continue the pregnancy. When women said they wanted to continue the pregnancy, the fathers’ dominant reactions were; “Slightly Upset 60%, Mad 38%, Very Angry 43%”, compared to “Happy .7%.” 73% of fathers suggested an abortion.

Now I dont have much regard or love of statistics they can be so screwed, I just found it interesting.

Personally I think all male babies should be vascectomied at birth....to be reversed when said male is able to fulfill his responsibilities as a prospective father. no issues with contraceptives failing, no health issues for females taking hormones to prevent pregnancy, no female "trapping a man" (altho Im not dumb enough to realise that this would ever happen, its sooooooooooo barbaric and invasive!!!!!)

but hey thats just my thought, YMMV

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Oh and I dont think a woman should be punished for an abortion. Its not for me, but I certainly would have put off having kids a few more years if I knew then what I know now. Its not just the nine months , its the rest of your life.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:08:23 AM

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Do you eat meat? If you respect the sanctity of life to such an extent, you owe it to life not to participate in its killing.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:10:39 AM

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What I find ironic is that so many people who are pro life are also pro death penalty. Go figure.

I agree that it's extremely perplexing.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:24:48 AM

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The legal angle that the anti-abortion movement has been taking is to declare the fetus a person at the moment of conception. This is a very slippery legal slope.

Not only would illegal abortions be considered 1st degree murder, pregnant women could be brought under child endangerment charges for drinking, smoking, and littany of other things that have been shown to cause increased risk to the fetus.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:35:29 AM

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Not only would illegal abortions be considered 1st degree murder, pregnant women could be brought under child endangerment charges for drinking, smoking, and littany of other things that have been shown to cause increased risk to the fetus.

Women as incubators for fetuses... there was a nasty book by Margaret Atwood about that kind of dystopian society.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:37:31 AM

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Aside from making them go stay with one of the families of the people that run around with those ghastly signs picketing abortion clinics, and then make THAT family adopt the child

(talk about torturing the child for the sins of the parents!!!).......there is no real solution.

Hense a dehlima, delima, dillima...........bugger that word that is escaping me right now! delihma? still not right?

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:38:34 AM

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I am pro-choice, but if I HAD to answer posed by the interviewers I guess you would penalize the doctor who performs the "illegal" act. In other words, having an abortion carries no penalty, but performing one does.

There is precedent for this---unlicensed gambling is illegal, but it is the bookie and not the gambler who is prosecuted. Also, if you assist a failed suicide attempt, you are prosecuted but the other party is not.

Weird Stuff!

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:46:20 AM

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Hense a dehlima, delima, dillima...........bugger that word that is escaping me right now! delihma? still not right?

Some people are fighting over whether it's dilemma or dilemna, but dilemma seems to be the correct spelling :-) .

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:48:07 AM

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Thank you, I had it so twisted up my spell check was confused too.

I should have stuck with my initial choice........conundrum.

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RE: So, what should penalty for having an illegal abort... - 1/24/2008 7:55:33 AM

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When you posted this video I was expecting someone to say kill them for killing a fetus.

I'm a simple person. I think abortions should be legal because whether illegal or legal they are going to happen. If illegal more people will die than just the fetus.

We merely need to teach our children morals so if the situation ever arose they would think long and hard before having an abortion.

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