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RE: slave rights vs subs - 1/27/2008 4:28:26 PM   
breatheasone


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RE: slave rights vs subs - 1/27/2008 5:29:58 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: selena123

My slave has a fit when I check his cell phone because other women are calling him and I will be jealous.  I am curious to know if other slaves have this privacy and what you think of this situation. My slave has stated that he wants to be a Slave not a sub, to me that means no privacy. What do you think? thanks


I think if you have to check my cell phone we have trust issues we need to work out.

Other women/men are going to call my cell phone. Either you trust me or you don't.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/8/2008 6:04:26 AM   
wolfs


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Status: offline 		Being a slave is an honor and a privilege.  He shouldn't have any secrets from you.  You need to trust him.  As far as my Master goes, I am an open book.  I belong heart and soul to him.  He doesn't micromanage me, but I would never disrespect or disobey him.  If your slave has nothing to hide, then he should allow you access to all parts of his life.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/8/2008 6:13:01 AM   
Owner4SexSlave


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Status: offline 		My spidey senses went off the scale on the first two posts on this thread.  Is it just me or did the OP literally ask a question, then respond to herself (almost as if she was another person).   Mmmmmmmmm.... 

I've heard some urban myths about people using multiple accounts on here to make posts.   Plus I know for a fact when you click logout on the other side it does not one out of collarchat. 

Come on guys, I can't be the only person that noticed and wondered about this?

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/8/2008 6:37:33 AM   
greenearth21


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Status: offline 		I know some people have a strong policy  on privacy and in my opinion, slave or not a slave it's their right.  Unless ofcourse it is something that you had both agreed on beforehand and now he's backing out then there's a problem.  Someone already asked if he has a history of infidelity and if thats the case I can understand your feeling uncomfortable.  At the same time...why be with someone who drives you mad for whatever reason?  I enjoy my privacy (maybe i'm not a slave? *shrugs*) and unless agreed upon someone checking my email/phone records would drive me up the wall.  I don't go around checking anyone's anything...unless I have a reason and they allow me to do so.  Otherwise...I respect all boundaries.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/8/2008 4:31:49 PM   
whiteslavebitch


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Status: offline 		Apparently, my Master trusts me. He never looks at my phone or email. He has not asked for my passwords. He
could, of course, have them if he wanted to.



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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/8/2008 5:41:05 PM   
Nineveh


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Status: offline 		I don't think slave vs sub is the issue here.  If I was truly concerned that a sub of mine was having conversations that she shouldn't and she refused to let me look at her phone I would not keep her on as a sub.  It is quite possible there are jealousy issues here that need to be resolved, or honesty ones, or the degree of power granted, however changing the way in which he is labelled is not going to deal with any of those issues.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/8/2008 10:56:49 PM   
ItalianSMistress


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

My spidey senses went off the scale on the first two posts on this thread.  Is it just me or did the OP literally ask a question, then respond to herself (almost as if she was another person).   Mmmmmmmmm.... 

I've heard some urban myths about people using multiple accounts on here to make posts.   Plus I know for a fact when you click logout on the other side it does not one out of collarchat. 

Come on guys, I can't be the only person that noticed and wondered about this?



That was the first thing I noticed about the post too, that she asked something, then answered as if she was talking to someone else.  Something is not right there.  DV also already pointed it out and the OP did not answer.  Doubt she will.
 
BTW, IMO, I think that this Domme sounds a little off balance, even without the Jekyll and Hyde thing, why is she so worried about other females?  Without trust, a Ds is meaningless. Might as well pack it in now,,,,,

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 8:51:24 AM   
whiteslavebitch


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"Dominance is the ability to create a hunger in someone that's so strong they will do anything, anytime, anywhere just to please you."


ItalianSMistress,

Small hijack, I just wanted to say I love your sigline.



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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 10:12:50 AM   
meticulousgirl


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Status: offline 		nothing is hidden from my Owner, people call all the time, and they are either approved or disaproved same goes with friends and acquaintences.....i'm either allowed or not allowed depending on certain factors.

i've never questioned Him over it and, never will.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 1:08:48 PM   
softness


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quote:

ORIGINAL: selena123

My slave has a fit when I check his cell phone because other women are calling him and I will be jealous.  I am curious to know if other slaves have this privacy and what you think of this situation. My slave has stated that he wants to be a Slave not a sub, to me that means no privacy. What do you think? thanks


fast reply

its not about what you "think" .. or even what we think .. its about what you have agreed with him and established as the rules and guidleines for his service to you.

If you have never stipulated that his phone conversations come under your control, then dont start getting angry when he reacts against you taking control of it. ... If you have arranged that you control who he talks to on the phone then punish him using the framework you have adopted in your dynamic.

Slaves and subs have the rights negotiated within their dynamic, and whether you like it or not, he also has the rights secured for him by society due to his status as a human adult (assuming he is both of those)

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 3:10:01 PM   
blacksword404


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Status: offline 		I agree. You have some things to discuss. I would take this as a test to my authority. And i won't have any of that. But he might have to redifine his role.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 9:43:42 PM   
ItalianSMistress


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quote:

ORIGINAL: whiteslavebitch


quote:

"Dominance is the ability to create a hunger in someone that's so strong they will do anything, anytime, anywhere just to please you."


ItalianSMistress,

Small hijack, I just wanted to say I love your sigline.




ty

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 9:47:26 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I agree completely.  A slave cannot keep anything from his or her master.  There can be no privacy.

quote:

ORIGINAL: selena123

My slave has a fit when I check his cell phone because other women are calling him and I will be jealous.  I am curious to know if other slaves have this privacy and what you think of this situation. My slave has stated that he wants to be a Slave not a sub, to me that means no privacy. What do you think?

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/10/2008 10:08:17 PM   
Suzykeu


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Status: offline 		Well, i am my Mistress' property and so everything of mine is Hers, everythin i have and everything i am. So my privacy is Hers too, and it's up to Her to let me have any or not. i don't miss it, i have nothing to withold from Her ^_^

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/11/2008 4:55:13 AM   
anambron


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quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I think if you have to check my cell phone we have trust issues we need to work out.

Other women/men are going to call my cell phone. Either you trust me or you don't.


Ditto! Does an owner have the right to check my phone? Yes.
 
But if they feel the need to then we have a bigger problem than who is calling me.
 
I had someone comment to me they looked at my phone records once. From that time forward i simply did not use it to call anyone preferring a prepaid card and my privacy.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/11/2008 5:34:45 AM   
DesFIP


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I agree completely.  A slave cannot keep anything from his or her master.  There can be no privacy.



What about the other person's privacy? Are you demanding to know proprietary business secrets that she'll get sued for sharing? What if her sister calls and tells her of trouble in her marriage and asks her not to tell anyone? You going to be privy to that?

Or does she have to turn down the job and tell them it's because she isn't allowed any privacy? Does she start out every conversation reminding the other person they can't tell her anything private?

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/11/2008 8:14:35 AM   
Mercnbeth


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quote:

My slave has stated that he wants to be a Slave not a sub, to me that means no privacy. What do you think? thanks


that if your slave wants to be your slave the way YOU define it, he shouldn't have an expectation of privacy.
 
all slaves do not serve in the same fashion.  they serve the Owner and the relationship they have chosen, or, as some feel, have chosen them.
 
some slaves report here on CM that they serve the way they see fit, which includes limits regarding privacy, sexual activities, etc.---and it works very well in their relationship...others surrender to their Owner's desires completely and do not "have a fit" when it comes time to obey their Owner's wishes---no matter what the wish is.

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/11/2008 9:06:03 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I suppose those are intended to be reductio ad absurdum questions?  Well, they're not.  Look, if that kind of relationship isn't for you, don't pursue it.

And yes, any friend who tells her anything in confidence will have to know that she has a master whom she must tell everything.  It has to be the primary relationship in your life.

Otherwise you're not a slave.  You're sumpin else.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I agree completely.  A slave cannot keep anything from his or her master.  There can be no privacy.


What about the other person's privacy? Are you demanding to know proprietary business secrets that she'll get sued for sharing? What if her sister calls and tells her of trouble in her marriage and asks her not to tell anyone? You going to be privy to that?

Or does she have to turn down the job and tell them it's because she isn't allowed any privacy? Does she start out every conversation reminding the other person they can't tell her anything private?

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RE: slave rights vs subs - 2/11/2008 10:53:48 AM   
DesFIP


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I suppose those are intended to be reductio ad absurdum questions?  Well, they're not.  Look, if that kind of relationship isn't for you, don't pursue it.

And yes, any friend who tells her anything in confidence will have to know that she has a master whom she must tell everything.  It has to be the primary relationship in your life.

Otherwise you're not a slave.  You're sumpin else.



Actually I was dead serious. So she has to inform her boss of your lifestyle, and her mother and her old friends. Because otherwise she would be lying to them. Unless you countenance lying to others in order to be truthful with you. Do you?

Because to me integrity is something you either do or do not possess. And it runs throughout your entire life, it isn't something you can compartmentalize.

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