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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 4:00:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have thought over my position and have come to the conclusion that the problem must be "you." 

Hopefully subtee or treasure has sent you a message hoping to meet. I hope things go well for the three of you.  People do lie. People will not always present themselves in an accurate light.  Our responsibility to ourselves is to be able to distinguish that which is real from the concocted.   To seek out those that hopefully meet our needs, desires as well as expectations.

Coming out and bitching about it places you firmly in the camp of folks who cannot understand how they can receive rude messages or that people could ever be deceptive. 

You need to ask yourself what you are doing wrong which attracts these types of people to you and why you are initially not a better judge of assessing a person's character?

I'm probably just wasting my breath.  No one takes responsibility for shit anymore...It's always the other person's fault....~Yawn~


Someone simply stating that they've had some bad experiences is just that, making a statement.  The op contained no lamentations about the quality of the people that OedipusRexIt has met here or the outcomes of any meetings.  He did not disparage those he has had contact with... he merely stated that he hadn't yet met anyone who fulfilled all his requirements and desires.

It seems that the posters here who took it upon themselves to critique OedipusRexIt's profile are what prompted his further comments relating to his previous bad experiences.  While OedipusRexIt has no obligation to justify to you or anyone else why his profile reads as it does, he was kind enough to offer that information. That's hardly "bitching".

For that matter, OedipusRexIt also made no indication that there was any dearth of opportunities available to him.  It appears that you assumed he couldn't find anyone simply because he said he hadn't found what he wanted.

Finally, domi... just because I indicate that I support the OP writing his profile in any manner he chooses and that I personally don't find anything wrong with it, that doesn't mean I'm available or interested in developing a relationship.  Kindly do not ascribe motives to me out of malice, just because you do not agree with me.  That was a cheap shot and you know it.

Edited because there is a difference between critic and critique.  I shouldn't try to type when I'm angry. 



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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 4:06:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Finally, domi... just because I indicate that I support the OP writing his profile in any manner he chooses and that I personally don't find anything wrong with it, that doesn't mean I'm available or interested in developing a relationship.  Kindly do not ascribe motives to me out of malice, just because you do not agree with me.  That was a cheap shot and you know it.



She's right.  The lady is taken, attached, as her profile clearly states.  Just being polite, or offering a supportive opinion, does not a come-on make.  No one else sees it your way, DG, so perhaps re-think?

Thanks, Treasure, for watching my back.  Your analysis, by the way, is spot on.  No wonder FirmHand loves you.

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 4:22:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have thought over my position and have come to the conclusion that the problem must be "you." 

Hopefully subtee or treasure has sent you a message hoping to meet. I hope things go well for the three of you.  People do lie. People will not always present themselves in an accurate light.  Our responsibility to ourselves is to be able to distinguish that which is real from the concocted.   To seek out those that hopefully meet our needs, desires as well as expectations.

Coming out and bitching about it places you firmly in the camp of folks who cannot understand how they can receive rude messages or that people could ever be deceptive. 

You need to ask yourself what you are doing wrong which attracts these types of people to you and why you are initially not a better judge of assessing a person's character?

I'm probably just wasting my breath.  No one takes responsibility for shit anymore...It's always the other person's fault....~Yawn~


Someone simply stating that they've had some bad experiences is just that, making a statement.  The op contained no lamentations about the quality of the people that OedipusRexIt has met here or the outcomes of any meetings.  He did not disparage those he has had contact with... he merely stated that he hadn't yet met anyone who fulfilled all his requirements and desires.

It seems that the posters here who took it upon themselves to critic OedipusRexIt's profile are what prompted his further comments relating to his previous bad experiences.  While OedipusRexIt has no obligation to justify to you or anyone else why his profile reads as it does, he was kind enough to offer that information. That's hardly "bitching".

For that matter, OedipusRexIt also made no indication that there was any dearth of opportunities available to him.  It appears that you assumed he couldn't find anyone simply because he said he hadn't found what he wanted.

Finally, domi... just because I indicate that I support the OP writing his profile in any manner he chooses and that I personally don't find anything wrong with it, that doesn't mean I'm available or interested in developing a relationship.  Kindly do not ascribe motives to me out of malice, just because you do not agree with me.  That was a cheap shot and you know it.



Goddammit!!! It was a cheap shot! I seldom apologize. I look back on what I wrote and it was fairly shitty. I have been extraordinarly bitchy of late. I quit smoking. I have really been an intolerable cunt. Not very Domly...lol.

I apologize not only to OedipusRexit, Treasure but also to subtee... I'm probably partly right (Some fucking apology...lol.) I wouldn't come out here and complain. It is what it is. I was offbase. But I really am sorry.

Why can't smoking be good for you? It deprives my body of needed oxygen making my lungs work harder...You would think that this would only prove to make them stronger...I'm doing them a favor, for Chrissake!...It's like I'm making them do pushups or something.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

I would trade all of you for a cigarette that would make me a better, healthier, and stronger person. I suppose it wouldn't hurt if "big tobacco" added some sort of an additive that would also enable me to be nicer.

I hate everybody....Has anyone ever done a scene where they made their sub dress up like a cigarette and then lit her?

It's not the fault of my addiction that I responded like an a-hole. Tis mine and mine alone.

Go with God you fuckerz.

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 5:09:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
I have thought over my position and have come to the conclusion that the problem must be "you." 

Hopefully subtee or treasure has sent you a message hoping to meet. I hope things go well for the three of you.  People do lie. People will not always present themselves in an accurate light.  Our responsibility to ourselves is to be able to distinguish that which is real from the concocted.   To seek out those that hopefully meet our needs, desires as well as expectations.

Coming out and bitching about it places you firmly in the camp of folks who cannot understand how they can receive rude messages or that people could ever be deceptive. 

You need to ask yourself what you are doing wrong which attracts these types of people to you and why you are initially not a better judge of assessing a person's character?

I'm probably just wasting my breath.  No one takes responsibility for shit anymore...It's always the other person's fault....~Yawn~

Domi, this is your alter ego speaking....I like you man. You know I do, but I have to disagree with you on this one. Although your sentiment concerning taking personal responsibility is correct, your conclusions are not. I find it difficult to blame the victim of lies and deception if they have taken reasonable measures to protect themself. We can all sit here and debate the definition of 'reasonable' ad nauseam. It will vary based on ones own personal experiences. But if someone lies about their age, weight, height, etc, AND sends deceptive photos, how is that the victim's fault? In my experience, people who want to deceive are often very good at it. I, personally, do not want to live in a world where I must assume that everyone is lying to me until they prove otherwise. But, I can understand the OP being jaded. In my opinion, the only thing that he has done to attract such deception is to present himself as someone who is well educated, financially secure, mentally stable, physically attractive among other things. I can see why people would resort to deception to ingratiate themselves with him.

This thread has taken on the tone of another recent one where AlterEgo69, of similar style and substance as the OP, recieved a public flogging for being very discriminating and also having high standards. I can identify with both of them and they have my empathy.

Domi, you and I became acquainted on a thread where I had to admit that I am a snob (tongue-in-cheek, of course) as my primary reason for not wanting to attend munches (btw, John, if you are reading this, I have come around  ). My own profile reads very similar to these two gentlemen and I don't apologize for it. I do try to take reasonable measures to protect myself but I too have been deceived.

I wish, for the sake of our oneness, you would reconsider your position on this. If not, I want a divorce.

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 9:41:50 PM   
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People will interpret what they read through the filter of their own life. It occurs to me that some who take offense at someone else's profile may do so because they feel personally slighted when they don't meet the stated criteria. It's tantamount to a rejection and they don't handle it very well. I wouldn't give it a second thought unless you accept others dictating to you how you should communicate your desires.


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Kindly do not ascribe motives to me...


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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 9:43:34 PM   
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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 10:12:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Right back atcha


Ummm... okay. 

My statement was not about you.  It was my own conjecture about the behavior behind certain kinds of responses.  In fact, I carefully crafted it to be a very broad statement that clearly did not apply to all.

If it's your preference to assign yourself as one of the some I said may respond that way, then who am I to say differently?  You are, indeed, the best person to recognize if your motives fit the picture I paint.

Nonetheless, my statement is no less valid.

Edited to add:

By the way, there is a difference between ascribing motives to someone because their behavior appears to match conjectured theory, and ascribing motives for the purpose of being spiteful simply because you do not agree.


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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 10:36:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy


quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have thought over my position and have come to the conclusion that the problem must be "you." 

Hopefully subtee or treasure has sent you a message hoping to meet. I hope things go well for the three of you.  People do lie. People will not always present themselves in an accurate light.  Our responsibility to ourselves is to be able to distinguish that which is real from the concocted.   To seek out those that hopefully meet our needs, desires as well as expectations.

Coming out and bitching about it places you firmly in the camp of folks who cannot understand how they can receive rude messages or that people could ever be deceptive. 

You need to ask yourself what you are doing wrong which attracts these types of people to you and why you are initially not a better judge of assessing a person's character?

I'm probably just wasting my breath.  No one takes responsibility for shit anymore...It's always the other person's fault....~Yawn~


Someone simply stating that they've had some bad experiences is just that, making a statement.  The op contained no lamentations about the quality of the people that OedipusRexIt has met here or the outcomes of any meetings.  He did not disparage those he has had contact with... he merely stated that he hadn't yet met anyone who fulfilled all his requirements and desires.

It seems that the posters here who took it upon themselves to critic OedipusRexIt's profile are what prompted his further comments relating to his previous bad experiences.  While OedipusRexIt has no obligation to justify to you or anyone else why his profile reads as it does, he was kind enough to offer that information. That's hardly "bitching".

For that matter, OedipusRexIt also made no indication that there was any dearth of opportunities available to him.  It appears that you assumed he couldn't find anyone simply because he said he hadn't found what he wanted.

Finally, domi... just because I indicate that I support the OP writing his profile in any manner he chooses and that I personally don't find anything wrong with it, that doesn't mean I'm available or interested in developing a relationship.  Kindly do not ascribe motives to me out of malice, just because you do not agree with me.  That was a cheap shot and you know it.



Goddammit!!! It was a cheap shot! I seldom apologize. I look back on what I wrote and it was fairly shitty. I have been extraordinarly bitchy of late. I quit smoking. I have really been an intolerable cunt. Not very Domly...lol.

I apologize not only to OedipusRexit, Treasure but also to subtee... I'm probably partly right (Some fucking apology...lol.) I wouldn't come out here and complain. It is what it is. I was offbase. But I really am sorry.

Why can't smoking be good for you? It deprives my body of needed oxygen making my lungs work harder...You would think that this would only prove to make them stronger...I'm doing them a favor, for Chrissake!...It's like I'm making them do pushups or something.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

I would trade all of you for a cigarette that would make me a better, healthier, and stronger person. I suppose it wouldn't hurt if "big tobacco" added some sort of an additive that would also enable me to be nicer.

I hate everybody....Has anyone ever done a scene where they made their sub dress up like a cigarette and then lit her?

It's not the fault of my addiction that I responded like an a-hole. Tis mine and mine alone.

Go with God you fuckerz.


That's okay Boo...just think up all the ways you're gonna make it up to me...and how appreciative I'll then be. Tee hee


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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 10:53:20 PM   
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..........it IS true...................from recent/past experience............(years time)...........  when you are not looking..............it DOES come..............  in the WEIRDEST way...............  believe me................ a vanilla "friend" .........introdueced by some one "else" i didn't really know......................., well................this vanilla "friend"........... is becoming my Best sub/slave/pet .........yet.................  they "knew of things" like this...........  did "some" w/ boyfriend before...........but never had a "Mistress" or any one "totally" in control before.......................  I LOVED ............having my new "pet"........and she is Eager in learning more....................  and she came into my life .........after Ive been trying to "find" some one for SUCH a long time................  I actually gave up......................................  and then BOOM............wow................where did that/she come from??????!!!!!!! 



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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/28/2008 11:23:09 PM   
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No agenda here, but I will offer what I hope to be construed as constructive comments, thoughts and observations.  

Other than a whiff of arrogance, frustration and condensation, I found the profile, as written, lacks depth, conveys no sense of character or personality.  Where is the warmth, sense of humor, the heart, passion, the human behind it? Where is the projection of a real 3-D person seeking their soul-mate in it?  What it said to me was you are attractive, fit, financially secure, educated, like kinky sex, monogomous looking for the same.  That really isn't much more meat to go on and it speaks to, and of, the heart not at all. Cold and impersonal really. Put some heart and soul into it.

Secondly, not challanging your definition of yourself as Dom, but (always a "but" I guess) with what you've written, I can see how a vanilla relationship would work just fine for you.  You say that you've learned kinky sex practices not because you enjoy them but to please your partner and give her pleasure in the bedroom.  That other than perhaps providing direction in what you'd like to see her wearing, that your "domination" is limited to the bedroom.  With what is presented, a sexually enthusiastic, giving, adventerous lady in the bedroom just as willing and eager to please as yourself, that dosen't mind dressing for her man, would seem on the surface to suit you just fine. Or, is there more?      

I realize I used "in the bedroom" repeatedly.  Funny how that sticks out.....


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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 7:57:19 AM   
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*sighs*

Then again... there are those who just can't abide by other people not doing things their way.

Edited because... quite frankly, it's not worth it.

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 9:45:11 AM   
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i think this is something that will never die, the compatibility between those who enjoy the game or lifestyle (whatever you personally choose to call it) are always going to face.compatibility problems within the lifestyle until you find your "perfect" match.....

if nothing else use this time as an experience to figure out what it is that you ideally want.

~meticulous~

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 9:53:32 AM   
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What it said to me was you are attractive, fit, financially secure, educated, like kinky sex, monogomous looking for the same.


Those are attractive words to some.
It almost sounds like you are disapproving of him as not being domly enough.  That's not such a good road to travel down.


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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 11:53:24 AM   
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In my opinion, the only thing that he has done to attract such deception is to present himself as someone who is well educated, financially secure, mentally stable, physically attractive among other things. I can see why people would resort to deception to ingratiate themselves with him.


Domi, you and I became acquainted on a thread where I had to admit that I am a snob (tongue-in-cheek, of course) as my primary reason for not wanting to attend munches (btw, John, if you are reading this, I have come around  ). My own profile reads very similar to these two gentlemen and I don't apologize for it. I do try to take reasonable measures to protect myself but I too have been deceived.

I wish, for the sake of our oneness, you would reconsider your position on this. If not, I want a divorce.



Okay...Feeling sane and much better today. Still if there were no health problems or addiction issues I might be willing to smoke a cigarette that had been lodged for the last few years up Chris Farley's dead asshole. But anywhooo, I digress.

I take back my apology to the op...His post although possibly honest...(I imagine he has had trouble finding a partner) is nothing more than a whine. That's it...So people can be deceptive? Is this something new?....Are we all just discovering this upon reaching our forties? I changed my profile around...It used to read if you were in the area and were attractive by my high standards...(ie..Tits,twat, mouth etc) Then let's meet. No bullshit, no shitload of messages or emails...Let's cut to the chase...Drinks, dinner, anal. What is the worse thing that can happen? I waste a few minutes and dollars? Big deal. It removes all of the bullshit. It moves things from online to reality. It is a whole lot easier to get a feel for someone's personality, character and desires when you are looking straight into their eyes than through the red eye of a camera flash.


I read the profile of the op...If I were actively searching his profile would not be my approach....I agree with LadyLolly. It was uninspiring. I didn't see anything that seperated him from the masses..The one thing that was apparent was that he made it abundantly clear that he's got some dollars....Good for him. I think it was one of his more endearing qualities. Sorry but nothing aside from that stood out. Did you read his profile and smile? Did you read his profile and say to yourself, "Wow, this guy has really seperated himself from the next?....You touched me man!"

I get a pretty fair amount of mail. I should respond to more of it. I have met women that were very affluent and some that were not. I would never come out here and complain about what has or hasn't happened for me "on this site." At the end of the day, are we not responsibleto a small degree to who we attract? And to a huge degree to who we allow in?

I'm sorry, I've heard women complain that they are too often chosen and never have done the choosing and men complain of how they seem incapable of finding a decent woman and keep attracting the wrong type of person.

Like I said before, it isn't them it is "you." If you are incapable of finding the woman that you desire then possibly your expectations are not realistic. It really does all go back to one's self. There must be a problem somewhere along the line..Either it's me or my expectations and somehow one is not meeting up with the other... I have been waiting for Halle Berry to submit for quite some time...It just hasn't happened as of today. It really has got to be "you." I would just never come out here and complain about the things that inevitably are my own responsibility.

Braniac, If you can come up with a good argument to what I have written I am all ears.... If you still want a divorce...Knock yourself out...."You can have it all, my empire of dirt." You are actually only entitled to a portion of my dirt...I had acquired some of it before we hooked up.




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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 12:18:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have thought over my position and have come to the conclusion that the problem must be "you." 


I'm probably just wasting my breath.  No one takes responsibility for shit anymore...It's always the other person's fault....~Yawn~


Someone simply stating that they've had some bad experiences is just that, making a statement.  The op contained no lamentations about the quality of the people that OedipusRexIt has met here or the outcomes of any meetings.  He did not disparage those he has had contact with... he merely stated that he hadn't yet met anyone who fulfilled all his requirements and desires.

It seems that the posters here who took it upon themselves to critique OedipusRexIt's profile are what prompted his further comments relating to his previous bad experiences.  While OedipusRexIt has no obligation to justify to you or anyone else why his profile reads as it does, he was kind enough to offer that information. That's hardly "bitching".

For that matter, OedipusRexIt also made no indication that there was any dearth of opportunities available to him.  It appears that you assumed he couldn't find anyone simply because he said he hadn't found what he wanted.


Here is what the op had to say...
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OedipusRex
No one available to me has lit my Dominant spark. Sure, I can find someone eager to submit... but if I don't feel it, then it's just work, just checking the box... I'm just not into going through the motions.

In the absence of a spark to light my fire, I still crave intmacy. As a result of this natural craving, friendships, long associations, have drifted into the realm of relationships, without the connection of bdsm so necessary... A pattern of one (bdsm = empty connection) or the other (vanilla intimacy = lukewarmth) has emerged.

... so, I find myself in the rare position of vacillation (not a petroleum jelly deriviative, I assure you) as to whether I've been barking up the wrong tree. Only, which is the wrong one? Or is it all just a forest?


It's a whine. I will repeat myself, we are responsible for whom we attract. If we are continually attracting the type of people that don't meet our standards then it is more than likely we do not have the credentials to actually obtain that which we covet.

It all goes back to the source. It is him. There is no debate...Please read my response that I gave to Braniac. We feel like everything should be handed to us without having to do any of the work. If we are not getting what we seek then maybe it is time to do some soul searching to determine where the problem might lie. End of story.

Tell Firm I'm sorry...I'm sure he was distraught over the thought of you in the arms of another man....I wonder if he drives a Prius?....lol...Take care.


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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 2:12:40 PM   
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On the issue of financial stability, I do agree that you are scaring people away. It makes you come across as someone who believes that a degree equals intelligence and financial stability.

If, for the sake of conversation, I was exactly the perfect girl for you, I still would not write to you. I would assume, without ever even contacting you, that I wouldn't meet your education criteria. I'm an intelligent individuals, have a high IQ, was valedictorian of my senior class, and now have a good job in the law enforcement industry making a quite respectable middle class income. However, I never completed my college degree (I dropped out while going through my divorce.)

If what you mean is, "I don't want a bitch on welfare", then perhaps you should say so rather than scaring off a large number of intelligent, middle class women who never happened to attain a college degree.

You mention the example of a woman who claims to be stable but expects you to pay for travel expenses. This in no way indicates that a women NEEDS a handout. Maybe she just feels that it's your job as the dominant to cover the expense of her trip. I certainly would never use my own money to pay for such a trip. This is not because I LACK the money, but rather because I feel that if he wants me to inconvenience myself (taking time from work, arranging for pet sitters, etc) by coming to see him, then he should at least pick up the tab. Furthermore, I simply have things in my life that I consider more important than romance and I choose to spend my money on them. It's not that I can't AFFORD a $500 trip to see a man...but more that I'd rather spend that money on my show horses or some such.

As for the original question of finding both intimacy and compatibility, I can most certainly relate. What I seek is very specific and all I ever find seems to fall outside the range of my preferences. I used to be very steadfast in believing that I wouldn't give any man the time of day if he wasn't an experienced dominant who enjoyed all the same fetishes that I do. I've seen moderated my stance a bit.

Overall, kinky sex is great. However, I also know that I can live without some of the more extreme versions of it that I enjoy. I do believe that refusing to compromise at all can keep us from otherwise wonderful partners who would make us happy. Therefore, I've come to the point where sexual compatibility is just one of many factors, and not necessarily the most important.

Granted, there has to be SOME compatibility. If his idea of a good sex life is doing it once a week in the dark, missionary style, then I'm not interested. However, he also doesn't have to be King-Kong-Uber-Dom willing to tie me up with chains, whip me until I bleed, call me a whore, then piss on me. I'll settle for someone who's adventurous, open-minded, and seems willing to try new things.  Maybe he's willing to tie me up with fuzzy handcuffs and spank my ass but not into more severe things. You know what? If he has all the other traits I'm looking for, I'll take that. An adventurous mostly-vanilla guy who meets all my other standards will win out over a man who only has the bedroom traits I seek. In fact, I just ended a 3yr relationship with a dom because despite his amazing bedroom prowess, he was leaving me cold on any number of other issues.

We can't always find EXACTLY what we want. If we could, I'd go down to  Doms-R-Us and order one that was 6ft1, 240lbs, black hair, blue eyes, makes a billion dollars a year, loves animals, is a pagan, listens to the same music I do, enjoys all my fetishes and none of the ones I don't like, has a 7.5 in penis with appropriate girth, is capable of fucking 3x a day minimum, etc etc.

Since this isn't an option, I simply lay out the whole list of criteria and judge how well a person fits in .... Maybe he's only 70% compatible with me. If I like him, I'll give it a shot. Now, I probably won't bother with someone who has 30% compatibility. It would be a waste of time.

I'm certainly not going to turn down every person I meet simply because they don't meet criteria #1-20 exactly. That's a great way to miss out on an awesome partner.

They may not turn out to be "the one," but they could still constitute a worthwhile life experience. None of the men I've been with turned out to be my Knight in Shining Armor, but I don't regret ANY of them. They were all wonderful experiences that were fun while they lasted.

As they say, "You have to kiss a lot of frogs..." Why not enjoy the frog kissing while hoping that that the Prince will turn up?

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 2:41:11 PM   
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I'm a huge fan of Emily Addison on the Around Her Finger site, and she has addresses this topic often.  Relationships have soooooo many more dimensions than just catering to our compulsions.... be they submissive, dominant, or sexual in any way shape or form.  However, loving female authority offers a window to intimacy in a way that cannot be replicated.  For most submissive men, sharing their submission impusle is an intimate and personal revelation that makes them vulnerable... and in so doing... open them up emotionally like nothing in the vanilla world can.

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 2:58:19 PM   
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AAAAaaaahhhhhh.... this is the never ending search for the perfect person, nothing messy, everything in line, all the "t"s crossed and "i"s dotted.  I've got a masters degree (yea, and that and $3 will get me a cup of coffee), I'm quite witty, funky and quirky.  But guess what, I'd never respond to your post... want to know why?  I hate the hierarchy of perversion.  I sense it a lot, get it a lot from people.  Even had people approach me saying, "I'm a professor, so I'm better than all these other guys you'll meet."  I always think... wtf?  It smells bad. Smells like classism, smells like elitism, smells funky (and not in the good way).  It makes me think that it's all they have to offer.  Makes me think their world view is pretty narrow.  But hey, that's me.  

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RE: Vanilla Extract - 1/29/2008 3:12:52 PM   
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quote:

It smells bad. Smells like classism, smells like elitism, smells funky (and not in the good way).  It makes me think that it's all they have to offer.  Makes me think their world view is pretty narrow.  But hey, that's me.  


I tend to agree. Ironically, I'm exactly the kind of intellectual that someone like that would appreciate usually, but their snobbery sends me running.

This was a constant issue with my ex-dom who somehow thought the diploma on his wall indicated that he was both smarter and better than I was. Never mind the fact that we made approximately the same salary. That didn't matter. His elitism grew old and annoying.

Personally, I think that if I can make as much money as a college grad without being $50,000 in debt from student loans then that indicates I'm pretty smart! Of course, even if I had completed college, I still wouldn't have been debt...I was smart enough to get scholarships to pay my way :)

In my own way, I'm an intellect snob...I like smart people. I won't lie about that. I also like people who come across as bookworms or intellectuals.  People (even if they happen to be intelligent)  who never want to discuss anything deeper than football or tv tend to bore me. I certainly won't waste my time on someone who doesn't have the inclination to discuss subject matters such as philosophy, religion, or politics. However, I don't believe a piece of paper on the wall makes one person more qualified than another to engage in said conversations.


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Oh, but before you take anything I say seriously, you must know that I'm a pinko commie.  Solidarity (no emoticon for raised fist --- plus I hate emoticons).

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