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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/30/2008 5:36:33 PM   
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Pro doms wouldn't be resorting to selling items, movie clips and DVDs if their RT sessions were keeping them occupied.  


i dont see this Ma`am, surely its easier to see one client, film the session, then sell dvds ect , than to see several clients to get the same income ?

One point not mentioned is that many prodommes are also lifestylers. As in all walks of life, you will find good and bad in both areas.



BINGO!!

Bravo Politesub, you have hit the nail on the head there dear lol.

I am a lifestyle & pro domme, as many of my UK Domme friends are also. Mixing business with pleasure, with great pride, competence and a enthusiasm, and having a handful of selected lifestyle slave's that do not have a financial arrangement.

Regarding clips/films etc, My U.S. following enjoy the fact that they may purchase my film material, and view me in action from afar. Aswell as all my other non-UK based admirers, and yes, I film my sessions, and my subs enjoy this emensley, and yes, I have a monthly income from my films, yet another niche of my business . 
It has nothing to do with decreased real-time sessions, on the contrary, just another facet to my professional domination.

I enjoyed reading the OP, some very valid points that I can relate too.  Those whom do not agree, so be it, we are all entitled to our opinions, and have these forums to express such.  

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/30/2008 7:49:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Ms. Simone, for your very well-written post.  Having been witness to many "battles" between professional and lifestyle dominants, I find myself agreeing with every point you made.  Regardless of the handful of attempts to vilify you, your words still ring true.  There ARE "lifestyle" dominants who seek submissives for no reason other than to enrich their own coffers, and the difference between these dominants and an ethical professional such as yourself, is that they AREN'T honest with those submissives about what they're offering in return.
 
To everyone else, Ms. Simone is an ethical dominant and a tremendous asset to the BDSM community.   There have been some here who have inferred from her post things she neither said nor implied, and I can only encourage those people to look within their own hearts to find why they were so quick to think the worst of someone they do not know.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/30/2008 8:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello, Rouge.  Just to add a comment to what you said above, I completely see the benefit of filming your sessions.  To be honest, I've been doing a lot of that Myself lately, and, quite frankly, it's a lot of fun.  Now, I don't sell Mine, but that would be another aspect of business that is certainly a viable option for any pro.  I think everyone's familiar with the potential for the market.  Let's face it.  People are going to buy it.  It's amazing the response that I get up when Mine go out and are broadcast for free.  (That's even with one camera, poor lighting, etc., etc.)

Hello to you, too, Evanesce.  Taking from your second paragraph, I would hope that My comments were not seen in that light.  I just can't say I agree with everything that was included in the original rant.  I've gone rounds on the pro rather than strictly lifestyle topic before.  I tend to learn things, which these threads are valuable for, but none of them yet have changed My mind about what's right for Me.  As I said in My first reply, that's ok, because none of us are compelled to make the same choices.  I'm happy being a fish in My own relatively small pond.  If it never puts a dollar in My pocket, I'm perfectly content with that.


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/30/2008 10:24:37 PM   
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To everyone else, Ms. Simone is an ethical dominant and a tremendous asset to the BDSM community.  There have been some here who have inferred from her post things she neither said nor implied, and I can only encourage those people to look within their own hearts to find why they were so quick to think the worst of someone they do not know.


As tends to be the case with certain topics, the gun is loaded (on both sides) before the conversation even starts.  For my own replies here, I'll say the following:  I didn't react so much to what Ms. Simone wrote as I did to the concept of loving relationships versus professional ones.  Somewhere in these waters also lays usurers and various parties who scam people for services and/or money.  I don't equate professional Dominas with con artists, but some of them are.  Likewise, not all casual and lifestyle kinksters are con artists either, but indeed some of them are too.  If you're a person looking for romantic companionship based on mutual respect, affection, and love, on a site like Collar Me, things can start looking dodgy at times.  I trumpeted ShaktiSama's post because she spoke passionately from the heart and from a perspective of someone looking to share human affection without other strings (monetary, service exchange, etc.) attached.  Sadly, this kind of post is becoming more and more unusual.  My endorsement isn't a slight against Ms. Simone, but rather an acknowledgment that ShaktiSama's words struck an extremely human chord in me.  I don't know Ms. Simone, but it seems she is well respected and liked in her local community.

Elan.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/30/2008 10:37:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Pro doms wouldn't be resorting to selling items, movie clips and DVDs if their RT sessions were keeping them occupied.  


i dont see this Ma`am, surely its easier to see one client, film the session, then sell dvds ect , than to see several clients to get the same income ?

One point not mentioned is that many prodommes are also lifestylers. As in all walks of life, you will find good and bad in both areas.


I am able to see the struggles and the change in "tide" so to speak through various communications with professional dominas through channels we've long ago established to support one another in the business.

Yes, I make no secret that I am a retired professional dominant.

And the point you missed in our veiled communication is that she and I have known one another for years -- through the lifestyle.  We both were involved with fetish retail and vending at many large events.  And we were both just teaching at a large east coast fetish/BDSM event.  I'm *well* aware that pros can be lifestyle too!

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/31/2008 4:08:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ma`am Pandora, my comment about some ProDommes being lifestylers wasnt aimed at You npr anyone in particular. my take on it, from reading the Forum, is that not everyone appreciates that fact.  i apologise if You feel it was aimed at your goodself.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 1/31/2008 8:40:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Ma`am Pandora, my comment about some ProDommes being lifestylers wasnt aimed at You npr anyone in particular. my take on it, from reading the Forum, is that not everyone appreciates that fact.  i apologise if You feel it was aimed at your goodself.

Well...if it were just a plain ol reply, I'd believe that it had nothing to do with what I said....however you directly quoted me!

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 5:21:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AtlantaMistress
I am a Pro Domme...

To answer the question though - no, I do not have to pay tax unless I receive more than $12,000 from one sub - since it is tribute (a gift) so Uncle Sam doesn't get a penny. I paid high taxes (because of my income level) for many years, and now I take about 10% of what I receive and give to charities of my choice. I also am often known to help others who are lost and trying to get their lives back together since I went through that at one point. I am very generous in that way, not only with my $, but with something much more valuable, my time.



TINLA (This Is Not Legal Advice) but your argument wouldn't hold up for a second in tax-court.  I'd really recommend using some of your 'tax-free' income to hire a tax-lawyer if you're going to try to manage that scam.

Simply put; the exchange of cash for services is a payment, not a gift.  That you would not be performing those services other than for the payment is a fairly clear sign that that is the case (and no, an occasional 'freebie' does not negate that).  Look at what you call yourself.  "I am a Pro Domme".  You're not a player who is occasionally given gifts, you're a PROFESSIONAL DOMINATRIX.  That you are being paid for what you do is the very definition of being a professional - it seems rather obtuse to claim to both be a professional and to claim that you're not being paid.

A friend of mine is a professional plumber; that's his job, that's what he does.  He - much like yourself - exchanges his services for money.  He knows that he couldn't get away with claiming "I'm doing the plumbing for free, these people just happen to write me cheques on the same day as my services because they want me to know that they respect me".  That just wouldn't fly.  It won't with you either.

Seriously, consult a tax lawyer before you find yourself talking to the IRS.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 8:07:29 AM   
Evanesce


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Status: offline 		Well said, Parataxis.  I was thinking precisely the same thing when I read that post.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 8:20:40 AM   
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I third Parataxis' excellent advice (Evanesce beat me to seconding) vis-a-vis taxes and the IRS.  And I'll add the following:

If you're not paying taxes on money earned from providing professional domination services, geesh, don't post this fact in a public forum.  Government tax auditors are *everywhere* and some of them, despite the geeky accountant stereotype, are kinky just like the rest of us so it's highly likely they're here on Collar Me.  All one of these auditors has to do is raise an audit lead on you.  It's that simple and then you're busted.  But wait.  The fun doesn't stop there.  You won't get busted for just the tax money.  Hell no.  Penalties and interest may well exceed whatever tax you are assessed, and, if the auditors deem you to have knowingly evaded paying, potentially criminal charges.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 11:30:26 AM   
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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 11:40:56 AM   
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But neither will I tolerate being told by a professional that "All dommes are cold and unloving users, the pros are just honest about it."
Please tell me where in my original post I stated this. Your wording on it is misleading ,leading others to believe I said it in my OP which is not the case.

And I thank you for expressing your opinion. I will refer back to your original commnents for my reply.
However, I do wish you had been a bit less antagonstic. I am both a lifestyle and professional for clarification.
See your original post for my replies to your points.
again, I apprecaite your viewpoint and do not disagree with.. I beleive you might have misunderstood my intent on the last part.

Miss Simone


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 12:21:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Denise! Hello, hope you are doing well. Please give me regards to the Captain. My ship has sailed back to familiar waters and beyond to warmer climate in the South but I do hope all is well with you both.

Ma'am

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 12:30:17 PM   
ElanSubdued


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MsSimone to ShaktiSama:
Again, I appreciate your viewpoint and do not disagree with.  I believe you might have misunderstood my intent on the last part.


This is very graciously handled.  Kudos to you.

As for Collar Me, evil web site that it is (or rather, I should say its editor tops from the bottom), I just want to correct my previous post as follows:

quote:

ElanSubdued to MsSimone:
The fun doesn't stop there.  You won't get busted for just the tax money.  Hell no.  Penalties and interest may well exceed whatever tax you are assessed, and, if the auditors deem you to have knowingly evaded paying, they will vie for criminal charges to be filed.


Elan.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 12:48:47 PM   
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the concept of loving relationships versus professional ones. Somewhere in these waters also lays usurers and various parties who scam people for services and/or money.


Elan,
You are correct in supporting ShaktiSama's post as there are many valid points. However, I believe as usual with online messages boards where tone and verbage is not a factor that there was misinterpretation of my words. I am attempting to clarify those so all will have a better understanding.
In regards to your above quote I have a few points:
Pro doesnt mean lack of affection, connection and even love. I have clients I treasure and value as humans I have intimate relationships with.Many have served me through out my career. Lifestyle does not equal loving. I have seen many abusive relationships over the years as proprietress of the Leather Rose in Chicago.
Love is not the exclusive grounds for lifestyle relationships. There are many other reasons people get together  in the lifestyle: sex, mutual kink, money, ease of connection, lack of ties.

My main point in the last part of the OP was to have people realize things run on a continuum in this lifestyle. Not all pros are money grubbing bitches  AND not all lifestylers are loving, caring dommes who won't take advantage of a sub.
There are users and caring individuals on both sides.
And I was specifically referring to those ladies who do not seek a loving , long lasting relationship but go from sub to sub gathering them up to milk them for all they have and then toss them away. This is NOT the sole property of pros. I have seen lifestylers do it as well. And not only females.
Hiding behind the claim that "I am a lifestyler therefore loving and sane" is illogical and dangerous.
Each person, pro or life ,needs to stand on their own character and merit. That will determine where they fall on the playing field.

I hope this helps you understand what I was trying to say a bit better.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 12:52:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Denise,
Thank you for those kind words of support. It mean alot to me.
In all things even this, to each their own. I hope you are doing well. You are an asset to not only your Captain but the local community.

Be well,
     Ma'am


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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 12:57:34 PM   
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I didn't.That is part of the problem. I  have returned to clarify my meaning. LOL!
While ShaktiSama has many vaild points, I would have appreciated a bit less antogonism.Good communication occurs when both parties take the time to clarify their points and  calmly understand the other's.

Thank you for having an open mind.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 12:57:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Ma`am Pandora, my comment about some ProDommes being lifestylers wasnt aimed at You npr anyone in particular. my take on it, from reading the Forum, is that not everyone appreciates that fact.  i apologise if You feel it was aimed at your goodself.

Well...if it were just a plain ol reply, I'd believe that it had nothing to do with what I said....however you directly quoted me!


Not exactly Ma`am... my reply wa split in two, the first one, under the quote, was a reply to Your post.

The second part was just general but i am sorry for not making this clearer.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 1:11:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Implications, assumptions and inferences all lead to flaming and name calling such as is occurring. I do not imply with my words. I mean what I say.I know you do not know me therefore misinterpreting is very likely but I do not  hide meanings in my words. Anyone who knows me knows that. If I say it ,I mean it. And if proven wrong or I gain new knowledge about a topic, I acknowledge such and state my revised opinion. There are many times I have been wrong! And my intent was not to be offensive and insulting. That was your reaction. I am sorry my words were misconstrued to incite such a response.
I have attempted to clarify them a bit for you.
And just a thought: why would I want to be insulitng to 1) a random group of people,many of which I know personally when it is obvious I was attempting to communicate an opinion. 2) why would I want to insult and offend a group I am proudly a part of: lifestyle dommes.

Miss Simone

Please , when reading online posts people, remember implication is not accurate.
If I wanted to state something I would have.

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RE: Rant by a prodomme... - 2/1/2008 1:14:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you cloudboy. Short and well said. Exactly what I meant.

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