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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 7:50:33 PM   
hisannabelle


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Status: offline 		greetings sailingbum,

maybe i'm just weird, but i read all the little papers and consult the pharmacist and all of my doctors and i give my entire medical history if i have to to feel comfortable, but that's just because i have (almost) every chronic medical problem known to man ;) so i'm used to being shuffled around to different doctors and stuck on different meds at every opportunity.

greetings ownedgirlie,

i haven't noticed a change in my migraines since i started the pill, thank goodness. they come and go in severity - for the last two weeks or so i've had a headache all the time, at migraine level half the time, but then i can go for like 6 months and only have 3 or 4 in that timespan. i'm sorry to hear of your difficulty with the pill...i hope everything is okay now and there were no lasting effects from your reaction.

generally, though, i think what bothers me and made me react so strongly is the fact that most doctors really don't, in my experience, think things through or advocate for their patients. i have one or two amazing doctors, and the rest of them i do all their thinking for them, LOL. my options are limited so i deal with what i have available. based on kitttty's previous posts and the fact that i deeply suspected weight gain was a deal breaker for her master (her lsat score was, so weight gain doesn't surprise me, to be honest) made me worry, because i worry for her that she will end up going on the pill without investigating the consequences to please him and often if we don't do it, no one does (i know my doctors usually don't). her master, from what she has said previously, does not seem like the type to care too much about the consequences. so that is why i don't look at this from the perspective of, "everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't she?"

greetings kittty,

why is it that if he gets a vasectomy, you are out the door? his choice or yours?

have you talked to him about the possibility of your gaining weight and whether that affects his decision to put you on the pill? i have a similar experience with medication, and there are just some things you cannot control. i tried all sorts of different things when i first started the pill to deal with the weight gain, but my body was determined - and then in time some of the weight came off. my master has never held it against me because he knows how my body is and it was his preference that i take the pill. has your master talked at all about how you two will handle it if you do gain weight on the pill?

respectfully,
annabelle.


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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 8:26:13 PM   
celticlord2112


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the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect.

i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills.

i am not allowed to gain weight.

it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door.

i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though.


If you "know" you should make yourself available in this way, then do so. Choose to obey your master.

If you believe his choices are putting your health at risk, risks you do not wish to take, then choose to disobey your master.

The one thing every slave owns is her own choices. Choose...and own the choice.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 9:11:17 PM   
takenbyjohnr07


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ORIGINAL: kitttty




i am not allowed to gain weight.

it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door. 

i'm not even going to respond to this anymore. There is much mote going on negatively in this relationship and it has nothing to do with the pill. i wish you luck in whatever you decide.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 9:21:28 PM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: kitttty

the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect.

i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills.

i am not allowed to gain weight.

it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door.

i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though.


I don't think you are seeing the problem here.

HE is ordering you to take a pill that you know will cause you to gain weight (you have talked about this with him and informed him correct?). Therefore HE is causing you to violate HIS order, not you.

If he proceeds to get cranky about something that he ordered, I advise walking out the door.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 1/28/2008 9:22:39 PM >

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 9:33:58 PM   
kitttty


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'm not even going to respond to this anymore. There is much mote going on negatively in this relationship and it has nothing to do with the pill. i wish you luck in whatever you decide.


I'm 25 and I want children someday. Master knows this. vastectomy = hard limit. what's so negative about that?

Master says I should work harder at the gym in order to avoid weight gain. being that i don't work out much these days, i guess that is reasonable.

right now i am choosing to obey but i will feel so ugly when i gain lbs.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 9:51:03 PM   
celticlord2112


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ORIGINAL: kitttty

quote:

'm not even going to respond to this anymore. There is much mote going on negatively in this relationship and it has nothing to do with the pill. i wish you luck in whatever you decide.


I'm 25 and I want children someday. Master knows this. vastectomy = hard limit. what's so negative about that?

Master says I should work harder at the gym in order to avoid weight gain. being that i don't work out much these days, i guess that is reasonable.

right now i am choosing to obey but i will feel so ugly when i gain lbs.


First and foremost, gaining a few pounds does NOT render a woman "ugly". I would hope your master shares that opinion, but if he doesn't....see AquaticSub's advice about walking and doors.

Secondly, every person on this planet owns their choices, as well as the consequences that arise from those choices. This includes submissives as well as dominants.

You have chosen a path. Walk that path. If you do not want to walk that path, do not make that choice.

It really is that simple.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 9:54:21 PM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: kitttty

Master says I should work harder at the gym in order to avoid weight gain. being that i don't work out much these days, i guess that is reasonable.

right now i am choosing to obey but i will feel so ugly when i gain lbs.


So why don't you just do the obvious thing and take your butts to Planned Parenthood and learn about different forms of birth control? There are a lot out there and some won't cause you to gain weight. Experiment and find out what works for your body.

Depending on how long you intend to wait to have kids, you can even have a temporary piece of plastic (VERY tiny so don't freak out) slipped inside you that simply prevents the eggs from doing their thing and will be pulled out when desired, making you instantly fertile again.

Much easier and can be cheaper than paying monthly.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 1/28/2008 9:55:13 PM >

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 10:04:53 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings ownedgirlie,

i haven't noticed a change in my migraines since i started the pill, thank goodness. they come and go in severity - for the last two weeks or so i've had a headache all the time, at migraine level half the time, but then i can go for like 6 months and only have 3 or 4 in that timespan. i'm sorry to hear of your difficulty with the pill...i hope everything is okay now and there were no lasting effects from your reaction.

generally, though, i think what bothers me and made me react so strongly is the fact that most doctors really don't, in my experience, think things through or advocate for their patients. i have one or two amazing doctors, and the rest of them i do all their thinking for them, LOL. my options are limited so i deal with what i have available. based on kitttty's previous posts and the fact that i deeply suspected weight gain was a deal breaker for her master (her lsat score was, so weight gain doesn't surprise me, to be honest) made me worry, because i worry for her that she will end up going on the pill without investigating the consequences to please him and often if we don't do it, no one does (i know my doctors usually don't). her master, from what she has said previously, does not seem like the type to care too much about the consequences. so that is why i don't look at this from the perspective of, "everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't she?"


Hi annabelle,

Well, it still concerns me that you have migraines while on it, but that's just me.  :).  I'm ok now re: my situation, but no doctor will put me on it now.   I asked mine if the medications have advanced enough over the years (it was 20 years ago I had a problem) and he said, "For you?  No."  LOL So that's that.  My situation was, other than my migraine, I ended up with tunnel vision and an inability to speak, and then my memory was shot for a few days (as in I didn't know my address, etc.). They didn't rule it as a stroke because a CAT scan didn't detect a blood clot in my brain.  Who knows, but I can never be on it again.

Thank you for expressing what your concerns were with the OP.  Now I understand more clearly.  I appreciate your taking the time to explain.  :)

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 10:19:51 PM   
BiteGirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kitttty

quote:

'm not even going to respond to this anymore. There is much mote going on negatively in this relationship and it has nothing to do with the pill. i wish you luck in whatever you decide.


I'm 25 and I want children someday. Master knows this. vastectomy = hard limit. what's so negative about that?

Master says I should work harder at the gym in order to avoid weight gain. being that i don't work out much these days, i guess that is reasonable.

right now i am choosing to obey but i will feel so ugly when i gain lbs.


So, curves are bad then? How very sad that is for you both.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 10:23:31 PM   
kitttty


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Depending on how long you intend to wait to have kids, you can even have a temporary piece of plastic (VERY tiny so don't freak out) slipped inside you that simply prevents the eggs from doing their thing and will be pulled out when desired, making you instantly fertile again.


what is this called?


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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 10:30:20 PM   
kitttty


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Status: offline 		I had asked my gyn for the BC method least likely to cause weight gain and he said my pills were it- junel fe.

But I want to try this instead- http://www.birth-control-comparison.info/capinfo.htm

my gyn did not tell me about that and that for sure would not fuck up my body.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 10:40:38 PM   
kitttty


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So, curves are bad then? How very sad that is for you both.



I have curves and I dont want them any different than how they are now.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 10:51:49 PM   
hisannabelle


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Status: offline 		greetings kittty,

the cervical cap is a great alternative to the pill, but i would definitely talk to pp, your gynecologist, and your master before you do anything. the cervical cap is also less effective than the pill, which from my understanding is why some people choose the pill over it. there's also nuvaring, the orthoevra patch, the lunelle monthly shot, the depo provera quarterly shot, and the iud, all of which have a rate of effectiveness closer to that of the pill. because the others are hormonal, they may cause weight gain, but they might help you with your issue with not wanting the pill and possibly not being able to remember to take it. as someone else mentioned, the iud is difficult to obtain if you haven't been pregnant before, but it's worth asking about.

respectfully,
annabelle.


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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 11:16:37 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kitttty

quote:


Depending on how long you intend to wait to have kids, you can even have a temporary piece of plastic (VERY tiny so don't freak out) slipped inside you that simply prevents the eggs from doing their thing and will be pulled out when desired, making you instantly fertile again.


what is this called?




It is called an IUD. They have a bad rap because when they first came out there were some problems. However, now there are safe ones and your local Planned Parenthood can certainly tell you the risks of an IUD. It's got a pretty high initial cost of about 300 dollars but you can leave it in place for up to 5 or 10 years (depending on the type you get). It's also got a wonderfully low failure rate: Typcial user failure rate is 0.7 percent, more effective than a combination of BC pills and Depo-Provera. Unlike a diaphram, it won't interfer with intercourse, unlike pills you just have to remember to check the strings every now and then.

My source for the information above: Understanding Human Sexuality, last updated in 2006.

Seriously... call Planned Parenthood. You've got tons of options. There is no reason at all to let this be an issue.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/28/2008 11:19:34 PM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: kitttty

I had asked my gyn for the BC method least likely to cause weight gain and he said my pills were it- junel fe.

But I want to try this instead- http://www.birth-control-comparison.info/capinfo.htm

my gyn did not tell me about that and that for sure would not fuck up my body.


Those are all right, but you have to be sure to use them correctly or you might as well be using nothing. They also interupt sex so I'm not a big fan personally. In the end it comes down to what you comfortable with. Talk to your owner about the actual user failure stats (you can get these from Planned Parenthood, don't use the stats the company of the birth control gives you) and discuss what percent of "We might make a baby" you are comfortable with.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/29/2008 5:39:16 AM   
RipTyed


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Status: offline 		My girl and I discussed the topic.  She has links for you.

general info: http://www.fwhc.org/birth-control/thepill.htm#side-effects


brainiacs only: http://www.contraceptiononline.org/

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/29/2008 6:07:55 AM   
OmegaG


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitttty

quote:


Depending on how long you intend to wait to have kids, you can even have a temporary piece of plastic (VERY tiny so don't freak out) slipped inside you that simply prevents the eggs from doing their thing and will be pulled out when desired, making you instantly fertile again.


what is this called?




It is called an IUD. They have a bad rap because when they first came out there were some problems. However, now there are safe ones and your local Planned Parenthood can certainly tell you the risks of an IUD. It's got a pretty high initial cost of about 300 dollars but you can leave it in place for up to 5 or 10 years (depending on the type you get). It's also got a wonderfully low failure rate: Typcial user failure rate is 0.7 percent, more effective than a combination of BC pills and Depo-Provera. Unlike a diaphram, it won't interfer with intercourse, unlike pills you just have to remember to check the strings every now and then.

My source for the information above: Understanding Human Sexuality, last updated in 2006.

Seriously... call Planned Parenthood. You've got tons of options. There is no reason at all to let this be an issue.


And the IUD is covered by many insurances,  and you don't have to think about it on a daily basis, AND your period becomes lighter or non-existant.  Though I still have cramps and other symptoms of my period every month.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/29/2008 7:40:15 AM   
AquaticSub


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And the IUD is covered by many insurances,  and you don't have to think about it on a daily basis, AND your period becomes lighter or non-existant.  Though I still have cramps and other symptoms of my period every month.


Really? That is wonderful. I've given some thought to using one but we will probably want to start our family sometime within the next five years.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/29/2008 7:45:29 AM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		Weight gain from birth control methods can be mostly avoided by inceasing your excercise. (info as per my gyn). I started Depo, which is notorious for weight gain, and i also started walking regimine to keep the weight in check. I have actually lost some, so it isnt written in stone unless you start the BC and dont watch the eatting and excercise levels.

DV


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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/29/2008 7:47:09 AM   
OmegaG


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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

And the IUD is covered by many insurances,  and you don't have to think about it on a daily basis, AND your period becomes lighter or non-existant.  Though I still have cramps and other symptoms of my period every month.


Really? That is wonderful. I've given some thought to using one but we will probably want to start our family sometime within the next five years.


It can be removed, if I remember correctly and the effects reverse fairly quickly.

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Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. Sydney J. Harris

Sex without pain is like food without taste.
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