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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/31/2008 1:05:53 PM   
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Setting her up to fail is unacceptable. And if demanding she takes the pill which she knows she gains weight on, and then punishing her for gaining that weight doesn't qualify as setting her up to fail, then I don't know what would.

As far as obeying or not, depends what their original agreement was. If he promised to protect her health, but is screwing around and demands she go bareback, then he broke the agreement. In that case, the man she thought he was, and who she had agreed to obey clearly does not exist. A good man would accompany her to the doctor, learn about different options and make the decision that was best for her future health. Giving her stds is not the act of a good D type.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/31/2008 1:44:28 PM   
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Information may alter which path is chosen. It does not alter the nature of the choice itself. After all the talking is done, the alternatives remain as they are: Obey, or Disobey; Do, or Do Not.


yes, it may be that He is unaware of side effects, it may be that he doesn't know what else is available, he may decide after a conversation that he spoke hastily and he may withdraw the directive.

Would you rather a slave follow you without conversation even if she had better information then you and knew that what you were asking wasn't the best path or would you rather her share her knowledge so that you could make a better decission?

Personally I would not follow one who closed his mind once it was made up. I appreciate that I can communicate with him and he will listen to new information, then when he's given an informed directive I have no problem obeying.


In my house, I make it a practice to gather as much information as is available before making a decision. The rule in my house is that medical conditions and especially medical emergencies are to be brought to my attention without fail and without exception.

When the information is gathered, it falls to me to make a decision. I choose a direction to take, and command my slave accordingly.

Such is the practice in my house. Does the OP's dominant follow a similar path? I do not know--that information is not contained within this thread. What I do know is that, based on the original post, a command has been given. It falls now to the OP to choose her response to that command--of which by definition there can be only two options: obey or disobey.

The dominant chooses the command he gives his slave. The slave chooses whether or not to obey that command. That is the core of power exchange.


m'Lord would also not make a decision without all the facts, therefore I would not be placed in a dilema as the OP has described.  And if he made a decision that would negate a previous mandate, he would qualify that so that I would know he was aware of the conflicting directives and he would stipulate which one had top priority.

Were everyone like you or him, we'd not be having half the threads on these boards.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/31/2008 1:53:26 PM   
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no there is a third, which i realize that she has not stated as being interested in: she could decide it's her body her choice, and they are not compatible and disband the arrangement depending on his reaction. take him completely out of the equation and you have a new choice.

it's not as simple as black and white and simply repeating that over and over isn't going to make it true.



Your "third" option is disobedience restated--she's not conforming to his wishes, ergo it is disobedience. The dissolution of the relationship is not choice but consequence (which produces new choices as you pointed out).

Repeating over and over that there are shades of gray will not produce shades of gray. Gray is black and white viewed at a distance. Move closer and gray resolves to black and white. This is the order of things.


Actually, you are wrong. You are also inflexible. There is no "order" of things. There is always more than one way. As for what gray is...if you look at a spectrum of colors, it is just that...many colors go into making that palette. Moving closer or farther away does not make any color, including gray, black or white, simply because you refuse to acknowledge there are more colors in the spectrum.

I do mind disagreements of any kind, what I do mind is "pronouncements" like you are making. Your repeating either obey or do not obey is just black and white; and it is a statement that says that your world lacks the technicolor that most relationships need to thrive.

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RE: It's hard to obey some things. - 1/31/2008 2:17:27 PM   
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Actually, you are wrong. You are also inflexible. There is no "order" of things. There is always more than one way. As for what gray is...if you look at a spectrum of colors, it is just that...many colors go into making that palette. Moving closer or farther away does not make any color, including gray, black or white, simply because you refuse to acknowledge there are more colors in the spectrum.

I do mind disagreements of any kind, what I do mind is "pronouncements" like you are making. Your repeating either obey or do not obey is just black and white; and it is a statement that says that your world lacks the technicolor that most relationships need to thrive.


I state the reality that is before me.  It distresses some, angers others, and illuminates still others. 

That, too, is the order of things.


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