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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Actually brainiac, I work in a pretty much recession proof job.
Unless I do something really crazy, or way off I will be set.
I changed careers 7 years ago, and I decided to go into a field,
where I could go to any of the 50 states and get a job real quick.
 
But you know, I don't care how well I am doing.
IF many of the people around me are not doing that well, it concerns me.
 
I would not care if I were a Billionaire, if the ship is sinking I am concerned.
 
But that is just me.
The world is much bigger than how well off Mia is doing.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

It was very telling when Knucklehead said he wants to make the tax cuts permanent. All the Republicans stood up and clapped while the Democrats just sat there like Cheshire cats with embarrassed grins on their faces! lol
Democrats think all that *Taxpayer money* should be in the hands of the government instead evidently.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

          No.  Gore's attempts to steal the election were stopped by the Supreme Court, after his sore-loser act really pissed a lot of people off.  Does it bother you that Nixon had more class than Al?

        It's called an Electoral College.  Google it.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

It was very telling when Knucklehead said he wants to make the tax cuts permanent. All the Republicans stood up and clapped while the Democrats just sat there like Cheshire cats with embarrassed grins on their faces! lol
Democrats think all that *Taxpayer money* should be in the hands of the government instead evidently.

Don't have television, didn't watch listen / to it, and what he says / does regards some bi-partisan economic stimulus plan.... won't matter.

On the other side.....I'll be smiling like five Cheshire cats when Bush and the Republicans substantially finagle and raise/extend the threshold on the death tax before they leave office.




- R

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

That's why Obama will lose if he's nominated.
You can't go against 90% of the American People and try to push "amnesty" for illegal aliens and expect to win.

Hi popeye... below is what Obama says... I see nothing about amnesty... His ideas are good... I believe and the way to go... especially penalties for employers who hire undocumented immigrants

The Problem
Undocumented population is exploding: The number of undocumented immigrants in the country has increased more than 40 percent since 2000. Every year, more than a half-million people come illegally or illegally overstay their visas.
Immigration bureaucracy is broken: The immigration bureaucracy is broken and overwhelmed, forcing legal immigrants to wait years for applications.
Immigration raids are ineffective: Despite a sevenfold increase in recent years, immigration raids only netted 3,600 arrests in 2006 and have placed all the burdens of a broken system onto immigrant families.
Barack Obama's Plan
Create Secure Borders
Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.
Improve Our Immigration System
Obama believes we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.
Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
Bring People Out of the Shadows
Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.
Work with Mexico
Obama believes we need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration.
Barack Obama's Record

• Crack Down on Employers: Obama championed a proposal to create a system so employers can verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the U.S.
  
• Fix the Bureaucracy: Obama joined Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) to introduce the Citizenship Promotion Act to ensure that immigration application fees are both reasonable and fair. Obama also introduced legislation that passed the Senate to improve the speed and accuracy of FBI background checks.
  
• Respect Families: Obama introduced amendments to put greater emphasis on keeping immigrant

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ORIGINAL:  Gwyn

exactly.. it was the differance of "popular vote" and electoral college. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

this is why them stopping the count in Fla. while Dubbya was ahead ( how bloody convenient) pissed off so many who knew about govt.

Florida has 25 Electorial votes.. only Texas ( which will always be Republican) has more at 32, and Ca. at 54.

Those who do not know how thier govts work are doomed to be shafted by it.

Gwyn

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

         No.  Gore's attempts to steal the election were stopped by the Supreme Court, after his sore-loser act really pissed a lot of people off.  Does it bother you that Nixon had more class than Al?

       It's called an Electoral College.  Google it.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I have to side with the Republicans on taxes, there's no such thing as a "good" tax.

Libertarians 

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

          No.  Gore's attempts to steal the election were stopped by the Supreme Court, after his sore-loser act really pissed a lot of people off.  Does it bother you that Nixon had more class than Al?

        It's called an Electoral College.  Google it.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      Man, this really the night for "if you don't get it, you won't" sorts of questions, isn't it.

     Someday, Owner you are going to see what your side is willing to do to win, and you'll have to live with knowing you helped.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


I will give you credit for trying to make it out like Clinton somehow invented the modern dirty campaign.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Mia, both Obama and Clinton voted for that Kennedy/ McCain/Bush amnesty.
How can Independants like me vote for them?
Enforcing our laws is not an "option" for people in elected office!
And Bush hopefully will "go quietly" into retirement.

You hit the nail on the head.
Most of them are all the same these days, that is why I am an Independent Moderate.

Bush Obama, Clinton.....does not make much difference.
IF the Democrats dare think they can raise taxes?
Or IF anyone dares to raise taxes, I think people will riot.

The Middle Class and Lower Middle Class has been sold out down the damn river.

Did he mention we are smack dab in a recession?????

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


I will give you credit for trying to make it out like Clinton somehow invented the modern dirty campaign.

But aren't the Dems supposed to better than that? Idealism and lofty goals? Doesn't it strike you ironic that those are the values of the opponent the Clinton's are working so hard to to destroy?

She's Nixon with a vagina.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


I will give you credit for trying to make it out like Clinton somehow invented the modern dirty campaign.

      But aren't the Dems supposed to better than that?  Idealism and lofty goals?  Doesn't it strike you ironic that those are the values of the opponent the Clinton's are working so hard to to destroy?

     She's Nixon with a vagina.