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watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 7:23:29 AM   
RoughFN


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Status: offline 		I'm curious to know what some subs would think of this scenario.

I've always had an interest in running a scene where I get to top a domme (just since I like girls, but feel free to flip around the scenario for a dom submitting, it just wouldn't be to me). The specifics aren't necessarily important, but would probably skew more towards what I normally like - light bondage (enough to restrain her), a good long flogging, and inevitably some sexual activities as well.

Further, the effect I'm going for isn't focused on topping a domme or anything. I'm not out to demonstrate to another top that she's twuely submissive and should bow to my charms or anything. I mean, I'd expect her to play along and be respectful in the scene, but I'm not concerned about whether she's really submitting or just playing along.

I'm much more interested in messing with the slave. I have no interest in doing anything with the slave (nor do I care if it's a guy or a girl), only the domme.

A rough outline would be...

Domme takes her slave into the room and ties her/him to a chair rather securely. I'm thinking a nice wooden chair with arm rests so there's plenty of points to secure his arms, legs, torso, neck to the chair very securely. Maybe secure the chair to the floor, too, to ensure that it won't tip over. The point is that he won't be able to move but will easily be able to watch.

Next, I get to come in, and the domme promptly submits to me while the slave watches. He wouldn't have any prior knowledge of what's going to happen or that I'll be involved, just that he's been tied to a chair and that his lady will be doing something to him next. I'm sure the first thoughts when I come into the room would be, "Oh shit, what's this guy gonna do to me?" but it would quickly become obvious that I'm just there to top his mistress.

We run the scene, clear up and leave. To complete the effect, I'll make sure to leave her lying facedown on the bed as I go and have her not get up or move for at least a few minutes. Again, just so the slave can stare at her lying limp and broken (or maybe just relaxed) on the bed.

After that, she gets up and...well, I don't necessarily care, though I would be curious to know the effect on the slave afterwards.

So how does that sound? I've been really curious to know if the slave would be turned on or shocked. After all, that's his lady and owner that's reduced to acting like...him. What would the after effects be? Ruin the relationship? Mildly unsettling? Nothing at all? Horribly disturbing?
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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 7:36:50 AM   
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"Oh shit, what's this guy gonna do to me?"


    

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 7:43:38 AM   
ProlificNeeds


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Status: offline 		I would be concerned if my top was alright and if they enjoyed allt hat happened. If they were violated or pushed beyond a limit, woe to who ever did such a thing. It would probably be unwise to tie me fromt he chair if that was the case.
If they enjoyed themselves, then I would be content to pamper them afterwards and continue an enjoyable evening.

My top's submission to someone else doesn't matter to me, I have no smouldering desire to see them 'broken down' if anything I desire to see them built up. If they consented and enjoyed bottoming to someone than I'm happy they are happy. In my case there would be no sex in such a scene because I don't involve myself with partners who involve themselves with others sexually. If that hard limit were broken I would likely just leave, no words needed.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 7:50:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd have serious issues with something that had not been negotiated/discussed beforehand.
I'm not sure I'd recover from that.
Now, if this was a need of my Master, I'd probably try to find a way for Him to explore this.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 7:54:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Such a thing would turn my world upside down and I would not be able to view the dominant in the same light again.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:00:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course, Freud might just point out that the male Dominant (the OP, in this case) desiring to display his prowess in front of a helpless male slave by "breaking down" the male slave's mistress is an act of repressed homoeroticism.  The Male top is sexually exerting his desires for the male sub, but doing so in a "safe" way through the intermediary of the female.  This was one of Freud's interpretations of the MFM menage.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:09:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same here, also, he would never ever submit to anyone like that.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:17:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have issues with any scene that has the potential of significantly depleting the bottom where the top simply "leaves" the scene with no aftercare administered. Since the Domme's bottom was not included in the scene negotiation, it's irresponsible of the top to just leave her there, with her slave tied up...and potentially dangerous, since said top has not even checked to make sure she is ok. I'm also assuming this is some sort of rape/ravishment scene...if so, re-read what I already wrote.

The slave is going to have a tough enough time processing what he just saw, but then he also has the dilemma of trying to figure out if what he saw was real or negotiated and how to get his Mistress together enough to untie him so that he can then take care of her. Not to suggest that a slave would not be able to do what needs to be done in any given moment. Most slaves I know are more than capable of stepping in and taking care of business. The issue I have with this fantasy is that it's not thought out enough to qualify as a bonafide scene. Leaves too much to question.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:20:40 AM   
vampiresscammy


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Status: offline 		it would take a hell of a lot of complete trust to agree to something with no prior knowledge of what may or may not occur, that being said, if for some odd reason Master ever decides to try soemthing so odd for us, I'd sit back, enjoy the show, enjoy him enjoying himself and feel quite proud to be allowed to be present when he is playing with another, and look forward to helping with his aftercare assuming someone unties me from the chair, I'd much prefer a simple statement from Master beforehand that he wants me to join him this evening and to simply know he will be enjoying himself, would make it much more enjoyable and less worrysome to me personally

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:22:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any Domina IMHO that would do that to Her submissive or slave, without prior agreement or communication isn't worth a tinkers dam and deserves the consequences.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:27:31 AM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		You seem to be under the impression that this is less common than it is.  The scenario isn't that uncommon in the sense that there are plenty of dominants with submissives who have a pet/submissive/slave etc.
 
If its a pre arranged thang in a relationship I don't see it being a problem.  But what I get from the post is that you are more into controling the submissive/slave, rather than the dominant you are topping, and you might find that the dominant may take more exception to that, unless they enjoy their slave/submissive/pet used by another.
 
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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:29:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is mindfuck, and there is just plain unkindness. 

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:32:54 AM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

Any Domina IMHO that would do that to Her submissive or slave, without prior agreement or communication isn't worth a tinkers dam and deserves the consequences.


I agree with you. I would also add that it would bother me more that my "reactions" were what was feeding the dominant topping in the scene.... for some reason it feels squicky to me. I suppose (hypothetically speaking) if my Daddy wanted some domme to get off on my discomfiture.... that would be his choice, but I would feel a little violated by that scenario. Especially if my Daddy did not warn me first.

It is almost nonconsensual kink in my mind.... it is as if one dom is worming their way past a submissive's owner to have some sort of kink met.. and that kinda disturbs me.

And as mistoferin states, I would probably never view a dom that did that to me in the same way ever again... but that is just me

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:35:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		i would loose all respect for the Dom... i know it doesn't sound fair, but i would...

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:36:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Such a thing would turn my world upside down and I would not be able to view the dominant in the same light again.



Ditto!

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:41:26 AM   
RoughFN


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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

Of course, Freud might just point out that the male Dominant (the OP, in this case) desiring to display his prowess in front of a helpless male slave by "breaking down" the male slave's mistress is an act of repressed homoeroticism.  The Male top is sexually exerting his desires for the male sub, but doing so in a "safe" way through the intermediary of the female.  This was one of Freud's interpretations of the MFM menage.



Heh.

it was just simpler to pick a gender and stick with it than constantly worry about flipflopping back and forth or adding s/he he/she him/her all over the place. I figured there'd be more dommes with a male slave than a girl, so I went with that. But a girl slave at the lowest rank'd be peachy.

Edited to add - and of course, you can also substitute in a male master and a female uber top running it or any other combination you want. No need to stick to any particular genders, I really was just curious what people thought of the scenario and hoped that they'd substitute in appropriate partner genders as appropriate to fit themselves as they thought about it.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:44:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vampiresscammy

it would take a hell of a lot of complete trust to agree to something with no prior knowledge of what may or may not occur, that being said, if for some odd reason Master ever decides to try soemthing so odd for us, I'd sit back, enjoy the show, enjoy him enjoying himself and feel quite proud to be allowed to be present when he is playing with another, and look forward to helping with his aftercare assuming someone unties me from the chair, I'd much prefer a simple statement from Master beforehand that he wants me to join him this evening and to simply know he will be enjoying himself, would make it much more enjoyable and less worrysome to me personally


First of all, I liked this response.

Secondly, he and I function from a place of trust, so that'd never be an issue for me.  I know for a fact that he'd never enter into a scenario he had not given a lot of consideration to, nor would he be a participant in something that did not please or arouse him.  He's well aware that the bulk of my happiness comes from pleasing him, and if this is something he wishes to pursue, so be it.  I see this 'script' as being one of topping, anyway.  His agreement to bottom to a female Top would in no way affect my vision of him as my Dominant.  Having said that,  I reserve the right to change my mind if he needed to pursue 'his submission' on a regular basis.

The Top in Rough's scenario was not left tied on the bed---at least that's not how I read it.  I don't see any real issues with safety either,  because I view it as a scene negotiated between the two dominant figures. 

I'm curious as to what the OP meant by 'messing with the slave', and how he invisions him/her feeling when this scenario is running through his mind.  Is there a particular angle you're going for in order to complete this scene?  Is it better for you if the slave is humiliated/struggling?  What exactly do you get out of it, if anything?



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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:47:11 AM   
RoughFN


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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

I have issues with any scene that has the potential of significantly depleting the bottom where the top simply "leaves" the scene with no aftercare administered. Since the Domme's bottom was not included in the scene negotiation, it's irresponsible of the top to just leave her there, with her slave tied up...and potentially dangerous, since said top has not even checked to make sure she is ok. I'm also assuming this is some sort of rape/ravishment scene...if so, re-read what I already wrote.



Ahhh, but who should be administering the aftercare?

I'd looked at it from the perspective of the domme taking care of her slave, and that not being the uber top's responsibility. Sure, sure, maybe he should take the time to look after the domme a bit at the end, but that does kinda ruin the moment a bit and sorta spoil the fantasy. Besides, if she's just going through the motions and not "really" submitting, it might not even be necessary anyway.

Do you really think there'd be enough of a concern about whether the scene was real or negotiated? And to what extent? I mean, to me it seems fairly obvious that the domme has set this up in advance if some dude walks in with a bag of equipment and she just kneels at his feet. The uber top somehow forcing the domme to do it just doesn't present as good an image to me - she's gotta do it willingly.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

There is mindfuck, and there is just plain unkindness.



See, I view the whole scenario as a mindfuck to mess with the sub mainly. What strikes you as so unkind about it?

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:53:20 AM   
GambitLeBeau


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Status: offline 		The thought horrifies me, honestly.

I've read a little fiction that has the Domme sorting it out beforehand, to lower the slave even more- but I'd hate the idea.

It may work for a select few, but the slave would have to be told beforehand. I want to see my domme as close to perfect as possible- to see her degraded and lowered like that, by a man I'd consider my equal at best, would mean I couldn't respect her in the same way.

For female subs to male doms, I'd suspect it to be even worse- they seem to have more of a feeling of protection from their dominants, and to see their protecter reduced to a plaything would severely weaken their bond in my eyes.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 8:55:35 AM   
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