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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 1/31/2008 10:53:35 PM   
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Is the D/s community leaning towards a specific political side ?



For the past three presidential elections I have decided to vote for an alternate party outside of the republicrat collective. I realize these other parties probably won't ever have a chance to take the seat of power in my country while I'm alive, but it feels good to cast a protest vote against the mediocrity of our political system when I can.

As far as what political side the D/s community is leaning toward, I would imagine it to be democrat or libertarian. Since Jesus freaks hijacked the republican party, I would imagine most in the BDSM community find it abhorrent to side with, which is unfortunate, because I think the original core values of that party were good.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 1/31/2008 11:05:57 PM   
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I'm seeing several posts implying that there's no real link between the lifestyle and political convictions. Difficult for me to believe...

Call me naive, but political convictions reflect deeper human values.


Well, 'naive' is a nice way of putting it...

There is nothing at all 'deep' about the human tendency to suspend critical thinking and form affiliations with others over a sports team, brand of automobile, religion or political party...

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 1/31/2008 11:22:01 PM   
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Greetings,

Thank you Jack for posting this question. I have been wondering the same thing, and thinking about posting this question myself. But, you beat me to it. I read a lot of the political threads, and appreciate all I have learned from the posters - both liberals and conservatives. 

Master and I are both very conservative. We believe in free market capitalism, the constitution and federalism. We are registered republicans, but we also like much of what libertarians stand for. We vote for conservative candidates, not party members. I have been rather depressed since Fred Thompson left the race.

Before we met, we had each wondered if we were the only conservatives in the lifestyle. It was important to us to find someone with the same values. There does seem to be a higher percentage of liberals here. One thing I have noticed is that Goreans tend to be more conservative, while BDSM folk tend to be more liberal. Am I correct in my assesment? And if so, why do you think that is?

And for the record - I love Ann Coulter, even though I disagree with her on some things (mostly her manner of presentation, not her political beliefs). I have a link to her website on my desktop. The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.

We're also big fans of Glen Beck.

Be well,
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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 12:00:43 AM   
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To angelique510: thanks for this interesting insight. For the record... I'd love to beat you to many other things LOL...

Some people referred to the Republicans religious agenda and seemed to feel it as a threat. Though it's not my cup of tea, I noticed a branch of Christian thought strongly leaning towards D/s. I'm thinking "The Surrendered Wife" (I don't know if it is directly referring to Christian values, but I've seen it endorsed on lots of Christian talks), Nancy deMoss "Biblical Womanhood in the Home" (not my breed of D/s but nevertheless bang inside it) and many other writings defending total submission of the woman to her husband.

...Laura B might just be wearing a collar at home after all, who knows   ;-)

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 12:47:24 AM   
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Greetings Jack,

<grin> Thanks

"Surrendered Wife" is a good book, but there is a lot in there that seems to advocoate "topping from the bottom." There was a lot of "do this to get him to do that" as opposed to "do this because it is your place to do so." Of course, that may just be my interpretation of it. Take it or leave it. A much better book along those lines (one of my favorite books of all time) is "An Excellent Wife - a Biblical Perspective" by Margaret Peace. She sites Biblical precepts for submission to one's husband. To me, it painted a perfect picture of an M/s (24/7 TPE) relationship, and has been quite helpful in my relationship with Master/ husband.

So no, I do not see Christianity and D/s as mutually exclusive at all - they are quite complimentary actually. Granted, there are a lot of practices and philosphies that fall under the umbrella heading of "the BDSM Lifestyle" that are very contrary to Christian principles. That, I believe is the reason a good many people in the BDSM are liberal democrats. The mentality of "Anything goes,"  "Everything, be it good or bad, is equally valid," and quite often "Everything needs to be handed to me" seems to abound.

But we have digressed from the original question - what political affiliation are you and does it have anything to do with your BDSM leanings?

And I am still curious about Goreans.

Be well,
~A

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 1:28:44 AM   
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I'm a libertarian, althought by this point, i'd vote for anyone who isn't a republicrat (well, maybe not a communist... socialist though..). 

As for D/s, I consider our collective political orientation to be "leave us the hell alone and go play in your own bedroom and not worry what we're doing in ours".  That sums it up nicely I suspect.

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And for the record - I love Ann Coulter, even though I disagree with her on some things (mostly her manner of presentation, not her political beliefs). I have a link to her website on my desktop. The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.


Yay, I'm not alone.  For reasons far too deep for me to understand, I find Ann absolutely fascinating while being insulted by almost everything shes says.  I always had this really wierd feeling she's highly submissive, depsite every peice of evidence I've seen to the contrary ( please don't ask meexplain, I bloody well can't figure it out myself either).  Apparently I'm not alone.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 2:28:50 AM   
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I'm a libertarian, althought by this point, i'd vote for anyone who isn't a republicrat (well, maybe not a communist... socialist though..). 

As for D/s, I consider our collective political orientation to be "leave us the hell alone and go play in your own bedroom and not worry what we're doing in ours".  That sums it up nicely I suspect.

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And for the record - I love Ann Coulter, even though I disagree with her on some things (mostly her manner of presentation, not her political beliefs). I have a link to her website on my desktop. The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.


Yay, I'm not alone.  For reasons far too deep for me to understand, I find Ann absolutely fascinating while being insulted by almost everything shes says.  I always had this really wierd feeling she's highly submissive, depsite every peice of evidence I've seen to the contrary ( please don't ask me to explain, I bloody well can't figure it out myself either).  Apparently I'm not alone.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 3:00:10 AM   
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We are a Femdom couple and are liberal about somethings and conservative about others. It just depends upon the topic on which side of the fence we may stand on. I am a member of the Green party and he is a Democrat. Something you might find interesting he used to be a Gorean Master until he found the correct path for him, he was a Democrat then too.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 3:28:19 AM   
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The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.



Or a real El Rushbo of Rio Linda....

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 3:31:52 AM   
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Well, I'm a liberal Democrat and I've been fairly active in politics throughout my life. I believe that Thomas Jefferson and his writings correctly address the needs of how a government needs to serve the population. I think the Republicans are dangerous because of their dependence on free market as the answer to everything (its not), their belief more in the power of business (where is that in the constitution) and the fact that they believe it can be alright to trample the individual's rights for the greater good. Free trade isn't free when companies use slave or forced labor to compete. I believe in environmental causes, because I'd like the earth to be around for my umms.

With the actions taken by the right in our personal lives, I can't understand how anyone could support them that is in this lifestyle. While I can understand some of the libertarian ideas, I don't think they are practical for our complex world.

By the way, I'm a Dom. In my house, I'm in charge. But, as has been said before, if the lady I choose isn't strong, intelligent and passionate, what kind of gift would her submission be if it wasn't freely given?

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 4:12:10 AM   
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Well Cowboy, after all, Jefferson probably did enjoy having sex with slaves... he may even be browsing CM as we speak  LOL Good point indeed  :)



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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 4:51:15 AM   
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The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.



Or a real El Rushbo of Rio Linda....


i bet Micheal Savage could...  and saying that i listen to him everyday tells where my political views lie.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 5:02:59 AM   
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religion and politics are the only 2 subjects Daddy, SO and i don't discuss. 

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 5:08:16 AM   
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religion and politics are the only 2 subjects Daddy, SO and i don't discuss. 


That seems unfortunate.  While a good argument could be made for not discussing those two subjects amongst acquaintences (for fear of the risk of offence) I would imagine that once you're in a close relationship with somebody, you've moved on beyond the worry of offending them, and want to know more about what makes them tick.

I'm not sure (and YMMV) that I could even be in a long-term relationship with somebody who couldn't (or wouldn't) discuss religion and politics.  

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 5:16:04 AM   
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I'm a conservative republican and he is a conservative Independent

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 5:16:18 AM   
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that's you

however we (and i'm speaking for both Dominants when i say "we") do not have to define our relationship and/or have a good argument discussing our political and/or religious povs. we don't have the same religious backgrounds or practice the same beliefs. as far as political views - i could care less if Daddy's a staunch Republican demi-gawd or hardline Independent.  same with SO.  also i'm not worried about offending anyone - they both can handle my opinionated mind quite well.

what i saying is - our political/religious affilliations is a mute point.


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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 5:19:17 AM   
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My political leanings are generally liberal but but range from far right to far left depending on the issue.

I believe in the rights of the individual above all but at the same time feel that the government shoud crack down hard on illegal imigration which makes me like Rudy.

I support freedom of religion but don't want to see it in politics so I'm unlikely to vote for Mitt.

I put a lot of value on service to country in whateever form it takes and I respect John McCain for his.

I know the country needs change and both Barrack and Hillary represent major opportunities for that. I'm just not sure I could vote for either of them yet.

Political orientation for me is more about who supports the issues that mean the most to me rather than any sort of party affiliation.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 6:24:13 AM   
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However, I'm seeing several posts implying that there's no real link between the lifestyle and political convictions. Difficult for me to believe...

Call me naive, but political convictions reflect deeper human values.

So I ask: how can our personal values NOT be linked to such a deep life choice as D/s?


I do feel strongly about the inference that there is (or should be) a relationship between politics and BDSM.  And every now and then I write something that's actually relevant to a discussion.  Here's an excerpt from an article I wrote an election cycle or two ago. 

"I’ve taken great care not to mention specific political parties here, because the truth is when it comes to issues that affect BDSM, they’re indistinguishable. I don’t care what your political affiliation is, playing upon your prejudices really has little to do with the facts. And the facts are that we are not a sympathetic constituency to any political party. We’re equally offensive to the both the left and the right, conservative and liberal, moral majority (which is neither moral nor a majority) and the National Organization for Women, (yes, I know that their “official” position on BDSM is one of neutrality… the US “official” position in WWII pre-December 7th was also one of neutrality… so what?), Republican and Democrat. One side thinks we’re all sinners that are doomed to eternal damnation, and to the other that we’re misogynists, abusers and victims in need of mental health treatment and long prison sentences.
 
No one wants our vote. No one champions our cause. No one will introduce legislation to protect the rights of masochists and sadists. We’re anathema to their current (powerful) constituents and platforms. It would be political suicide for either party to cozy up to us.
 
And it would be just as suicidal to delude ourselves into thinking that our “struggle” has any political component whatsoever. Stick your head out of the foxhole in support of a political party or candidate, with the expectation that they’ll support our issues, and see how quickly they stumble over themselves to be the first to shoot it off. It’s dangerous enough that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing, so why would we presume to be complicit in helping the wolves into cute little lamb outfits?
 
It is indeed a “dangerous dream” to believe that we can generate societal “acceptance”, or construct legal protection, through the public political process. Vote your heart. Vote your conscience. Vote your principles. BDSM isn't on the ballot."
 
(the entire article can be read at http://www.thedomsview.com/Vol7/I6/feature1.htm )
 
The "dangerous dream" is a phrase from a Joseph Bean interview in which he said:
 
“Recently, the most common question I am getting is about when and how kinky people will gain “acceptance” or be “mainstreamed.” I think this is a dangerous dream. Instead of acceptance or mainstreaming, what we should all be praying for and working with authorities to arrange is to be left alone.” 
 
And that from someone in our ranks with decades of experience in both the gay rights movement (that included a substantial political component), and BDSM. 
 
The bottom line is that we're kidding ourselves, perhaps dramatically so with dire consequences, if we think our political support of any party will  have any (positive) impact upon BDSM.
 
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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 6:29:37 AM   
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I don't fit into one neat political box. I've long had socialist/anarchist leanings (but I don't believe that socialism works), have been registered as independent or green (and I make a point of exercising my right to vote). I like some of the libertarian points of view but wouldn't describe myself as one. My Sir is a libertarian. He's been educating me on economics because he thinks that socialists have some good ideas but they're not knowledgable about how economics work. lol  Which is probably quite true about me.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 6:38:21 AM   
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Exactly stated and well put.  I cannot wait until Jan 09 when that moronic, illiterate little man is out of the white house.  Ann Coulter needs to be bitchslapped for her ignorance ( the 9/11 widows enjoying their husband's death? WTF kind of sick evil mind says that?) and George Bush should have the collar on IMHO.   Oh, yes, I am a liberal if you hadn't guessed. As well as a submissive and a feminist. The three are not mutually exclusive and it takes an intelligent mind to understand that. 

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