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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:07:22 AM   
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It never ceases to amaze me that people who are choosing to live an alternative lifestyle would vote for a member of a political party that would stop them from living the way they want to, if they found out about it. It makes no sense, whatsoever.


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I am equally amazed, but everything about politics never ceases to amaze me.

I think the OP's premise is flawed, because it assumes that being into WIITWD is the primary and operative force in the political decision-making of a majority of people here.

Although WIITWD may influence my decision on what woman I may choose to date or live with, it hardly ever affects how I feel about war and peace, universal health care, the environment, tax structures, immigration, or, on a more local level, whether we should widen some road, build a new school, or upgrade our sewer system.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:07:46 AM   
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And yes, we voted Libertarian in the last Presidential election.  We also believe that if everyone who "claimed" to be Libertarian actually voted that way, rather than voting for the lesser of two evils, we MIGHT have a chance at effecting some change in this country.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:08:29 AM   
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And for the record - I love Ann Coulter, even though I disagree with her on some things (mostly her manner of presentation, not her political beliefs). I have a link to her website on my desktop. The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.

We're also big fans of Glen Beck.

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Ok.. the fact that anyone agrees with her on her views just scares the shit right out of me. But thats my own opinon.

As far as someone mastering her.. ya know what they say.. those who scream the loudest against homosexuality usualy harbor some very *personal* issues with it.

I would love the chalange of bringing that hateful little mouthy bitch to heel.. However it would prob. come down to a scene with fish hooks and gas nozzles.. *smiles wickedly*

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:12:30 AM   
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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:14:43 AM   
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Ok.. the fact that anyone agrees with her on her views just scares the shit right out of me. But thats my own opinon.

As far as someone mastering her.. ya know what they say.. those who scream the loudest against homosexuality usualy harbor some very *personal* issues with it.

I would love the chalange of bringing that hateful little mouthy bitch to heel.. However it would prob. come down to a scene with fish hooks and gas nozzles.. *smiles wickedly*

Gwyn


The thought of Coulter alone makes me feel sick... but the idea that she may be a closet lesbian is frankly disgusting: can you imagine going down on her?!

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:14:59 AM   
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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:18:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

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VOTE FOR BARTLETT!!




Gods if there was such a person out there that would be that good... *sighs* I miss watching the West Wing damn it.

The only one I ever got really excited about was Howie (Dean)

If only they had let me put a mic in his ear and been his Jimmy Cricket...

The moment he spoke from the heart 100% with out the normal political filters we knew it was all doomed.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:19:47 AM   
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tired of getting a choice of coke or pepsi and would like a little Ice T for once.


What a great analogy...I'd like my tea to be of the Long Island variety, given the current climate. And I'm not talking about the weather.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:21:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelique510

And for the record - I love Ann Coulter, even though I disagree with her on some things (mostly her manner of presentation, not her political beliefs). I have a link to her website on my desktop. The man who masters her will have to be exceptional indeed. A real life Marlenus of Ar.

We're also big fans of Glen Beck.

Be well,
~A




Ok.. the fact that anyone agrees with her on her views just scares the shit right out of me. But thats my own opinon.

As far as someone mastering her.. ya know what they say.. those who scream the loudest against homosexuality usualy harbor some very *personal* issues with it.

I would love the chalange of bringing that hateful little mouthy bitch to heel.. However it would prob. come down to a scene with fish hooks and gas nozzles.. *smiles wickedly*

Gwyn


ooh ooh ooh..can I play too?? I've got PILES of clothespins, just waiting to be zippered!!

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:26:12 AM   
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Ok.. the fact that anyone agrees with her on her views just scares the shit right out of me. But thats my own opinon.

As far as someone mastering her.. ya know what they say.. those who scream the loudest against homosexuality usualy harbor some very *personal* issues with it.

I would love the chalange of bringing that hateful little mouthy bitch to heel.. However it would prob. come down to a scene with fish hooks and gas nozzles.. *smiles wickedly*

Gwyn


The thought of Coulter alone makes me feel sick... but the idea that she may be a closet lesbian is frankly disgusting: can you imagine going down on her?!


*FOFLMAO*  ya know.. I did eat lunch.. but dear gods... I think I am gonna lose it.
I would never bring my self to do that... remember.. fish hooks and gas nozzles *chuckles*  


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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:29:05 AM   
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and of course you can play along.. as long as you dont get squicked by massive amounts of screaming and blood. *Great Big Creepy Grin*


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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:33:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I want to say a bit more...

I am a realist with idealistic dreams.

I happen to hold a political office. Not a big one...it's sandbox politics, really, but I am pretty proud of what I did. I saw MAJOR problems, and I decided to do something about it. For four years, our Association did not reach Quorum. The Board would just roll over to the next year. I went door to door and managed almost singlehandedly by collecting proxys to reach Quorum. I am the youngest person to ever hold a position as a Director, and while I was running, I had people threatening and bullying me, telling me I had no idea what I was getting myself into, I was going to get sued, and lose my home. I didn't back down, and I didn't let these people intimidate me.

I have really stirred the pot. In fact, I am going to be censured. FUCK 'EM. I'll wear it like a badge of honor. I'm not being censured because of FACTS- nobody is disputing the FACTS. I'm being censured for a subjective opinion of a Board majority who didn't like "the tone of my voice".

I have lots of friends and lots of enemies. I rejoice in the fact that I have awakened people. Before I ran, we had maybe 3 people attending our Board meetings. Now there are close to 40 a month. Some of them attack me and ridicule me, others support me. I REFUSE to play politics. If somebody puts a good idea on the table, I vote in favor of them, whether I like them as a person or not. I ALWAYS consider what is best for the people who put me in office.

I AM NOT A POLITICIAN.

I made a HUGE mistake, and helped two other people get into office. I thought they shared the same ideas as myself, but I found out later they were using me, riding on my coat tails to get elected, and both of them threw me under the bus. I should have known better- one of them has a degree on political science. She is a political whore, I see that now. All I can do is work harder next year to reach Quorum, and hope that some better people decide to run. I won't help anyone though, that's for sure.

Anyhow, I have a unique outlook on politics now. Politicians are dirty, and they don't get very far without giving somebody a blow job. I'm not going to crawl under the table for anybody or anything. If I can create change it will be only because I lead the way without compromising my ideas, and others chose to follow. I got elected on certain promises and principles and I won't sacrifice them.

Now, here's an idea: I wish we would all stop fighting amongst ourselves and start fighting for leaders who represent our values and beliefs. We should be going to our respective parties and demand they represent us once again, because they care nothing for you and me. All they care about is retaining their power, and they will whore us all out if it means they'll get to keep their cushy elitist jobs.

I would much rather have a Democrat in office that truly inspired their party members with true Democratic ideals and beliefs than a mediocre Republican who barely scraped by with a few more votes and leaves us Republicans with an uneasy feeling that they would sell us down river if it was politically expedient. Our leaders should take to heart that you can't please everybody. BE REAL, and if enough people vote you into office, be true to them, and represent them, and fight to give them what you promised.

Another thing: I stand firm in my values and beliefs, but I respect other people's beliefs too. If you think differently from me, that's great- let's keep it going because that is what makes our country great- people who are awake and aware and have an opinion. If Obama or HIllary wins, I will be disappointed, but if that's what the majority of the people want, I respect that. I just hope that you Dems out there don't sacrifice your beliefs and vote for "the lesser of two evils". Hold your candidates responsible and may the best man or woman win!

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:39:10 AM   
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When I took an American vote test I got "Obama" as closest to my personal views, but I'm definately more left wing and liberal than that.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:40:45 AM   
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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:41:26 AM   
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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:44:39 AM   
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I'm interested in practical end results-not rhetoric that never has a follow through.



I agree! In fact, my platform was "Directors should not be judged by intent, but rather by the results they produce."

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 10:54:15 AM   
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Well said.  You get my vote.

John



Thanks John!

I grew up in an uber-conservative household, but my parents always encouraged us to think for ourselves. Debate was always welcomed at the dinner table, and my parents loved to hear us put different ideas out there, and instead of ridiculing us for having different views, they nurtured a spirit of independence in us, and would ask us thought-provoking ideas. Well, OK they DID mock me when I became a member of PETA, but usually they were respectful.

They always told us, "We don't care who you vote for, all we care is that you vote!" When I was over age 18, a requirement to continue to be able to live at home was a receipt proving we had voted.

I really enjoy reading Biographies of past presidents. It's very revealing to read their personal correspondence, and to see the human side of their lives- the things they struggled with, and how it influenced their time in office.

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 12:06:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticHeart

It never ceases to amaze me that people who are choosing to live an alternative lifestyle would vote for a member of a political party that would stop them from living the way they want to, if they found out about it. It makes no sense, whatsoever.
Rosemary


But just which party is that?  I will grant you that I know conservatives that...if they knew what I like to do to a woman besides dominate her...would be appalled.  But let's face it...there are liberals who...if they knew what I like to do with a woman outside the bedroom...who would be appalled.  I am sure I could find those from either party that would love to outlaw wiitwd but yes...they each would have their own reasons.  But would not the net effect be the same?

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 12:10:25 PM   
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We are a male dom/fem sub couple and are both very liberal. He firmly believes that a woman should be able to be whatever she wants, otherwise her decision to be his doesn't mean as much.


Actually...the idea of a woman being what she wants to be while still acting in a "traditional" submissive manner is more in line with the conservative ideal.  Witness all the "liberated" feminists' who are not submissive who just do not seem to get the "submissive" woman and who see her as somehow abused...they want to save her from her "abusive" dominant and/or herself.

I tend to be a rather weird mix...conservative in many areas, moderate in many areas.  I want my partner to be all that she wants to be and I want to help and guide her and yes, dominate her.  I feel that it is an interesting paradox...most women who are submissive made a conscious choice to be so and is that not truly the whole idea behind "liberation"?  The freedom to choose?


Conservatives has one ideal for women and they think all women should fit into that mold.  Liberals have another and expect all women to rejoyce in that role.  Neither side sees that true feminism is about individual choice, that the woman who chooses to stay home and raise children has the exact same worth as the woman who chooses to be childfree and run a fortune 500 company and both of them need to get off their high horses and understand that women who choose to work or need to work while raising a family are just as good as they are.

When people get out of their "once size fits all" paradigms, the world will be a happier place.


I believe the paragraph I have made bold is too much of a generalization.  I would agree that there are some on both sides...conservative and liberal...who need to get their heads out of their ass and deal with more pressing problems.  But...no matter what the political affiliation or gender, would you not agree that what you have stated is also a problem with many "true" feminists when it comes to "the submissive woman"? 

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RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 12:13:03 PM   
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Thanks John!

I grew up in an uber-conservative household, but my parents always encouraged us to think for ourselves. Debate was always welcomed at the dinner table, and my parents loved to hear us put different ideas out there, and instead of ridiculing us for having different views, they nurtured a spirit of independence in us, and would ask us thought-provoking ideas.


I grew up in much the same environment, where we were never taught what to think or how to think.  Only that we think, and be capable of explaining what we think and why we think it.  And if what we thought didn't make sense, we thought some more.
 
As a result, my family includes conservatives and liberals, Democrats and Republicans, and even a Libertarian or two.  And none of us are members of or vote for a party simply because of some senseless family tradition.

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Well, OK they DID mock me when I became a member of PETA, but usually they were respectful.


I trust that you weren't unduly harmed by that experience.  Hamburger?

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They always told us, "We don't care who you vote for, all we care is that you vote!" When I was over age 18, a requirement to continue to be able to live at home was a receipt proving we had voted.


I don't recall being asked to prove that we voted (and certainly not that we voted for a specific candidate).  But the question was always asked... "did you vote?"

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I really enjoy reading Biographies of past presidents. It's very revealing to read their personal correspondence, and to see the human side of their lives- the things they struggled with, and how it influenced their time in office.


If more people read historical biographies, particulary those of our founding fathers, there would be much gnashing of teeth and pounding of fists over what the politicians have done to our country, and the people who have allowed it to happen.  Just proves the old adage that a frog dropped into boiling water will jump out and save himself, but a frog set into water which is gradually heated will allow himself to be boiled to death.
 
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