Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 3:38:10 PM   
AquaticSub


Posts: 14867
Joined: 12/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

It made me see clearly that they care more for animals than people, and their agenda has clouded their sense of reason and better judgement.


I'll believe that they care more for animals when I see them throwing red paint on the leather jackets of a bike gang. 
As long as they stick to little old ladies in fur coats, I will always have a sneaking doubt as to the courage of their convictions.


Thank you for giving me the best mental image of the day.

_____________________________

Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

It was ok for him to beat me but then he tried to cuddle me! - Me

Member:Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair

(in reply to Alumbrado)
Profile   Post #: 101
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 4:35:52 PM   
Rover


Posts: 2634
Joined: 6/28/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: gorgeous1

The questions is, like the Titanic, is it too late to avoid the iceberg...or have we already crashed into it? Are we already sinking?


I don't subscribe to the "crisis" mentality, despite the special interests and politicians who make a career on developing and maintaining a societal crisis mentality.  You may recall that this has been a concern from the outset of our country's founding, and yet we continue onward (and I would even say upward, in spite of ourselves). 
 
Is that testimony to our Constitution?  Our freedom?  The sorry state of the rest of the world, by comparison?  I dunno... but we endure.
 
John

_____________________________

"Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions."

Sri da Avabhas

(in reply to gorgeous1)
Profile   Post #: 102
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 9:37:19 PM   
slavekal


Posts: 1486
Joined: 7/20/2004
Status: offline 		If you are into any un-mainstream lifestyle and are not Libertarian, you are truly masochistic.

(in reply to jackriddle)
Profile   Post #: 103
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/1/2008 11:43:10 PM   
greyangelus


Posts: 192
Joined: 1/22/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
Ohh.. sure.. but you only get to hand me things and watch... she is all mine.. *Evil Grin*

and of course clean up duties.. LOL and hold the camera.

Gwyn,
who gets those warm and fuzzy feelings every time she thinks about it... kinda like the ones from sliding down the rope in gym class. *chuckles*


What, clean up duties?!  That's her job.... now that you brought that part up and now that I think of it I really can't which one I'd like to watch more, you floggin the piss out of her or her cleaning it up.

Sigh, decisions, decisions....




(in reply to Gwynvyd)
Profile   Post #: 104
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 1:37:07 AM   
Honsoku


Posts: 422
Joined: 6/26/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekal

If you are into any un-mainstream lifestyle and are not Libertarian, you are truly masochistic.


I second that. The left will want to intervene for your own safety and the right will want to interfere to uphold decency and preserve the "moral fabric" of society.

< Message edited by Honsoku -- 2/2/2008 1:40:18 AM >

(in reply to slavekal)
Profile   Post #: 105
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 6:46:12 AM   
NorthernGent


Posts: 8730
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline 		I can see where you're coming from. When Liberalism and Conservatism began to develop out of the feudal societies of Europe, Conservatism was defined by an authoritarian approach to politics, e.g. Hobbes and Machiavelli, whereas Liberalism was defined by the pursuit of individual sovereignty and initiatives, e.g. Locke and de Spinoza. So, I take the point linking authoritarianism with dominance.

I, for one, agree with your point that we're all political, including those who say they have no interest in organised politics.

I place myself firmly in the liberal camp, although, of course, I do share some common ground with conservatives. I think the factors that lend me towards Liberalism are as follows: the belief in the spirit of voluntary over drilling, a sense of fair play, modest ambitions, looking to the future rather than the past, not placing great store in tradition, open to alternative ideas and change, a belief that the region is more important than the nation, a belief that you get the best out of people by empowering them.

In terms of the link with dominance, I place great faith in guidance and empowerment as tools to yield a maximum return. 

_____________________________

I have the courage to be a coward - but not beyond my limits.

Sooner or later, the man who wins is the man who thinks he can.

(in reply to jackriddle)
Profile   Post #: 106
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 8:30:14 AM   
thetammyjo


Posts: 6322
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline 		Great post, NorthernGent.

I'll add that what is often called conservatism and liberalism today would surprise those people who originally created the philosophies behind the political movements and arguments. Even people who claimed such affiliation in the 1950s and 1960s would be surprised by what is being called conservative or liberal today.

_____________________________

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

TammyJo

Check out my website at http://www.thetammyjo.com Or www.tammyjoeckhart.com

And my LJ where I post fiction in progress if you "friend" me at http://thetammyjo.livejournal.com/

(in reply to NorthernGent)
Profile   Post #: 107
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 8:32:34 AM   
slavekal


Posts: 1486
Joined: 7/20/2004
Status: offline 		Libertarianism is the only philosophy that is based on individual freedom in almost all matters.  The others all want to punish you for doing things that other people disapprove of.  But it's for your own good.

(in reply to thetammyjo)
Profile   Post #: 108
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 9:11:18 AM   
laurell3


Posts: 6577
Joined: 5/5/2005
Status: offline 		FR:
I don't fit in one camp. I am liberal on many beliefs but rather conservative in others.  I don't ever vote any straight ticket politically.  I have actually changed my party a couple times merely to have a say in the local primaries as local politics have a big impact on my profession. 

From my experience with people in BDSM circles, I don't think you can assume that means anything about them politically.  There are some very conservative people here on these very forums which at first I found odd, but I've found one thing does not necessarily lead to the other.

_____________________________

I cannot be defined by moments in my life, but must be considered for by the entirety of my existence.

When you fail to consider that I am the best judge for what is right for me, all of your opinions become suspect to me.

(in reply to slavekal)
Profile   Post #: 109
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 10:20:07 AM   
thetammyjo


Posts: 6322
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekal

Libertarianism is the only philosophy that is based on individual freedom in almost all matters. The others all want to punish you for doing things that other people disapprove of. But it's for your own good.


Just a question.

If the point is individual freedom is there a need for any law then within that political philosophy?

If not, how does it differ from anarchy?

I've just have always wondered about that because the development of that particular political philosophy is very far removed from any history I've done.

_____________________________

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

TammyJo

Check out my website at http://www.thetammyjo.com Or www.tammyjoeckhart.com

And my LJ where I post fiction in progress if you "friend" me at http://thetammyjo.livejournal.com/

(in reply to slavekal)
Profile   Post #: 110
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 10:43:11 AM   
sirguym


Posts: 318
Joined: 8/10/2007
Status: offline 		I have an 'Idiots Guide To Politics' that goes:

UK Conservatires (US Republicans) are moderate Fascists
UK Labour Party (US Democrats) are moderate Socialists
UK Liberals (US 'Libertarians?) are moderate Anarchists

That should upset most of you!

I suspect that many in the lifestyle who've actually got themselves involved enough to test the currents, rather than be bamboozled by the surface bullshit, actually find themselves somewhere so far out on the fringes that they are in the area where the various philosophies begin to meet again 'the other side'.

I define myself as extreme and secular Liberal, very much opposed to "Big Government" whether it's Socialist, Fascist, Religious or Capitalist.

In practise I often find myself allied on particular issues with the kind of libertarian conservatives who believe in a low-tax and low-government-interference state, and even the kind of ex-communists who want to see the state system really withered away, like Marx said it would, (though it never did!).

(in reply to thetammyjo)
Profile   Post #: 111
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 10:48:02 AM   
atursvcMaam


Posts: 1195
Joined: 5/10/2004
Status: offline 		i tend to go conservative/republican.  they are more inclined, in my view, to stay out of my bedroom, and my lifesyle choices (at all levels).  however, i am a social liberal.  i would be pro-choice, as long as that choice included the thought that where there's life, there is hope.  outside of my immediate family (ex-wife-who did not agree-and children) i have no need or desire to enforce that philosophy, but it lives in my heart.
just a thought, which should still leave Y/you all wondering

(in reply to PrizedPosession)
Profile   Post #: 112
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 10:50:56 AM   
Shawn1066


Posts: 987
Joined: 10/7/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: sirguym

I have an 'Idiots Guide To Politics' that goes:

UK Conservatires (US Republicans) are moderate Fascists
UK Labour Party (US Democrats) are moderate Socialists
UK Liberals (US 'Libertarians?) are moderate Anarchists

That should upset most of you!

I suspect that many in the lifestyle who've actually got themselves involved enough to test the currents, rather than be bamboozled by the surface bullshit, actually find themselves somewhere so far out on the fringes that they are in the area where the various philosophies begin to meet again 'the other side'.

I define myself as extreme and secular Liberal, very much opposed to "Big Government" whether it's Socialist, Fascist, Religious or Capitalist.

In practise I often find myself allied on particular issues with the kind of libertarian conservatives who believe in a low-tax and low-government-interference state, and even the kind of ex-communists who want to see the state system really withered away, like Marx said it would, (though it never did!).


I tend to believe that myself...but I'm only lightly libertarian, when it comes to certain personal freedoms.  I just can't be a part of the more anarchistic side of it.

(in reply to sirguym)
Profile   Post #: 113
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 10:51:49 AM   
slavekal


Posts: 1486
Joined: 7/20/2004
Status: offline 		Libertarian philosophy is basically this.  Every adult person has the right to his/her own life and liberty, and to do whatever he/she chooses, as long as the rights of others are not being infringed.

Anarchy is quite different.  With anarchy nobody really has rights.  You can murder, steal, rape, whatever, because there is no law.  Libertarianism is about having laws that protect people and property, but that do not enforce arbitrary ideas of morality such as sex acts between consenting adults, which drugs are legal versus illegal, etc.

(in reply to sirguym)
Profile   Post #: 114
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 10:57:39 AM   
AtlantisKing111


Posts: 181
Joined: 1/14/2005
Status: offline 		*shrug* Politically I'm a Conservative. Usually Republican, but I'd back Zell Miller (D) over John McCain (Rhino) any day.  My slave girls have tended to be moderate Democrats.

(in reply to jackriddle)
Profile   Post #: 115
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 12:04:58 PM   
sirguym


Posts: 318
Joined: 8/10/2007
Status: offline 		[quote slavekal]

Libertarian philosophy is basically this.  Every adult person has the right to his/her own life and liberty, and to do whatever he/she chooses, as long as the rights of others are not being infringed.

[/quote]

I would not disagree with that; 'pure Liberalism', as John Stuart Mill, et al.

[quote slavekal]
Anarchy is quite different.  With anarchy nobody really has rights.  You can murder, steal, rape, whatever, because there is no law.  Libertarianism is about having laws that protect people and property, but that do not enforce arbitrary ideas of morality such as sex acts between consenting adults, which drugs are legal versus illegal, etc.
[/quote]

With all due respect, I believe that is not a definition that many actual archists would recognise or accept as valid

Rather, it is the stereotype that authoritarians try to impose on them in order to discredit even consideration of their philosophy.

But I would not try to speak on behalf of a philosophy with which I have but little sympathy, though I have some for anarcho-syndicalism.

[edited to get the quoting correct!]

< Message edited by sirguym -- 2/2/2008 12:07:17 PM >

(in reply to slavekal)
Profile   Post #: 116
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 12:43:48 PM   
slavekal


Posts: 1486
Joined: 7/20/2004
Status: offline 		The dictionary definition of anarchy includes confusion, chaos, and the absence of any law.  I don't know if the anarchists have some new definition, but the dictionary has the standard definition.  And I would say that is probably the way most people would define the word.

I have noticed that most prople believe in libertarian principles for themselves, but not for other people.

< Message edited by slavekal -- 2/2/2008 12:45:40 PM >

(in reply to sirguym)
Profile   Post #: 117
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 12:59:20 PM   
NorthernGent


Posts: 8730
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

My Daddy is a liberal, I am a socialist  anarchist.



Julia, the term socialist anarchist is a contradiction in terms. Socialism is irretrievably bound up in coercion; Anarchism is infused with the spirit of voluntary.

Chomsky is a social anarchist - a few letters between the two, yet a vastly different meaning.

I like what Chomsky has to say; his knowledge is something to behold. His solution? Well, either he's a hopeless romantic, or he's far ahead of his time.

_____________________________

I have the courage to be a coward - but not beyond my limits.

Sooner or later, the man who wins is the man who thinks he can.

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 118
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 1:09:25 PM   
NorthernGent


Posts: 8730
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I'll add that what is often called conservatism and liberalism today would surprise those people who originally created the philosophies behind the political movements and arguments. Even people who claimed such affiliation in the 1950s and 1960s would be surprised by what is being called conservative or liberal today.



The political landscape in this country supports your view. The British Conservative Party is to all intents and purposes a liberal party.

_____________________________

I have the courage to be a coward - but not beyond my limits.

Sooner or later, the man who wins is the man who thinks he can.

(in reply to thetammyjo)
Profile   Post #: 119
RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? - 2/2/2008 1:15:07 PM   
thetammyjo


Posts: 6322
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I'll add that what is often called conservatism and liberalism today would surprise those people who originally created the philosophies behind the political movements and arguments. Even people who claimed such affiliation in the 1950s and 1960s would be surprised by what is being called conservative or liberal today.



The political landscape in this country supports your view. The British Conservative Party is to all intents and purposes a liberal party.


Here in the USA, in my opinion but also based on what little history I know, Republicans have become beyond conservative, and Democrats have become more conservative. When people claim that the Left = Democrats I'd laugh because I think the Left would be something like Communism in the Marxist sense.

Pure communism, people actually living together as a community, might be lovely but frankly not very realistic beyond a small group I think.

_____________________________

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

TammyJo

Check out my website at http://www.thetammyjo.com Or www.tammyjoeckhart.com

And my LJ where I post fiction in progress if you "friend" me at http://thetammyjo.livejournal.com/

(in reply to NorthernGent)
Profile   Post #: 120
Page:   <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094