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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:13:15 AM   
sexyred1


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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch



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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    Amazing how the talk of being 'nice' goes right around the elephant in the room.  Have ya'll forgotten this is a BDSM site???  There aren't a lot of places where you can walk in, get comfy and say, "hi, my name is _____ and I get a kick out of hurting other people."  Or that you crave humiliation and abuse.  This is one of them.

   Are we supposed to hide the very aspects of our personalities that brought us here?

   Nice???   If I want to be nice, I'll just stay on the work intranet 24/7. 


i guess i didn't realize that they're mutually exclusive concepts. i'll keep that in mind.



You keep harping on the "nice" and "respect"  concepts and I really have to ask you, in all seriousness:

Do you honestly think that you can expect ANYTHING at all from other people in the way of behavior whether it is online, in person, anywhere?

If so, I feel that your high expectations will just cause you more pain and anguish, because you should only have expectations of yourself. I always say you cannot control the behavior or responses of others, you can only control the behavior and responses of yourself.

If you want everyone to be nice and respectful and courteous and polite, you are not going to find that consistently here online, on any site.

I am surprised that you keep thinking otherwise.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:15:34 AM   
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If you think the OP's thread is stupid, why respond at all? It's not getting in your way or bothering you.


Because you can.  Because they may benefit from editing some of their thoughts before committing them to a thread start in the future if they take the time to understand that the need to communicate more clearly to the audience.  Because stupid people do bother some people.


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:15:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

This isn't about every thread hijacking on the board-if you'd read the notice in Adminstration Annoucements you'd see 

It is about  just a certain  number of hijackings done for the sole purpose of screwing up the thread
making fun of it and the OP and or getting the thread pulled.

If every thread you started became a target for: this is all in fun- grow thicker skin- yadda yadda yadda BS and perhaps even a couple of your threads  were pulled because of these "playful" actions would you not get pretty dam annoyed? Not just one thread you start but pretty much every single one.

I saw it happening and I'm sure others and Mod's saw it happening numerous times to the same person that is probably when Mod1X placed the "Thread Hijacking"
annoucement.

Maybe I am not understanding the situation... by the way I did read the admin hijack thread... how can a post get the whole thread pulled?  How does making fun of the poster screw up a thread? If more people than not or guilty of this behavior...is it not giving a different type of comment to the op no less direct and important as any other post. Must we all just get alone all the time?

I have seen a few posts that go against the flow of a thread… They were meant to belittle and disrupt but that poster was soon shamed, corrected and belittled as well.

If your posts are continually disrupted, in your view, and people are not coming to your aid… then reevaluate your thinking…you may well deserve the treatment.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:18:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

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i really think this is part of the problem. we dont't really understand context online right off the bat, or don't necessarily initially anyway. there's a reply here that i really wish i could pull but it's got to sit there.

sigh such is the joys of online communication.



Now, not to pick on you, but why would you even say that? It is not for you to pull anyone's reply, is it? Why shouldn't the reply sit here? Is it starting a riot? Is it commiting murder? You are not the moderator and it is a free site. You may not like the reply and you can feel free to reply back, but why would you ever want to censor free communication unless it discussed something against the TOS?

I have never understood this censorship thing just because YOU don't like the words. "shakes head".

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:29:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

sexyred1: And I remember my first posts to you, and you thought I was an unsufferable asshole, and now you agree with me more often than not.

Mod 11:  since I have O posted many posts (other than Gorean) and they all ended up in random stupidity, I hear you and am not moved about the fairdealing of this thing, but as you know, will not try to purposely violate the spirit of the thing, and will in fact support it.

So, the idea here is to let everybody get a word in edgewise.

Ron 


That is right, Ron. At first I did not "get" you and then very quickly, I most certainly did realize that your humor overlaid a quick mind and you were most always on target with what you posted.

When I disagree with someone, I am 100% willing to hear their sides and quite often, as many will attest here, I have had public arguments, serious ones, with posters, who privately, sent me or I sent them, olive branches, and we are now not only respectful of each other's views, but actually friendly, what a concept, right?

It is the ones who just do not understand how others can hold a differing point of view and refuse any type of discourse, either public or private, which is fine, but then these same people freak out whenever you and your friends chat on threads that they started.

This, they call hijacking and persecution. If that is "not getting it" then I am happy to not get it.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		With over 1700 posts I wouldnt consider myself new at posting to a public forum......the written word is one dimensional at best and can be misunderstood for we dont have voice inflictios and facial expressions to assist us to " interpret" what is meant.  Perhaps we should consider this when we post and do so with more thought and not just dash things off.  I know I will be more thoughtful of what I write in the future.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:34:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Level
Of course, sometimes it's quite obvious when a hijacking is occuring, but looking at some of the OPs in those cases, may lead one to ask, what's worse, the stupid fucking OP/question/statement, or the stupid fucking responses (my own included)?


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ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels
If you think the OP's thread is stupid, why respond at all? It's not getting in your way or bothering you. You can just ignore it. Do you laugh in people's faces in real life, especially people you don't know, when they say something stupid (and we all say something stupid at one time or another)?


Good point, and question. Is this part of the allure of the internet, to "get away" with things we might not do in R/L? I think it is. It's a form of release....

quote:

I remember something my parents used to tell me, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."

Edited to add: At my last job there was a directive that we must at all times treat all people with dignity and respect. I try to maintain that directive in my private life as well. I confess that at times I have slipped, but if I realize it, I will apologize.


Not a bad thing to do. I'm generally a nice guy, but not completely.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:34:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

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i really think this is part of the problem. we dont't really understand context online right off the bat, or don't necessarily initially anyway. there's a reply here that i really wish i could pull but it's got to sit there.

sigh such is the joys of online communication.



Now, not to pick on you, but why would you even say that? It is not for you to pull anyone's reply, is it? Why shouldn't the reply sit here? Is it starting a riot? Is it commiting murder? You are not the moderator and it is a free site. You may not like the reply and you can feel free to reply back, but why would you ever want to censor free communication unless it discussed something against the TOS?

I have never understood this censorship thing just because YOU don't like the words. "shakes head".


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edited to add:  My comments begin after here.  The quote function isn't working for me on this post.


I think she's referring to her own thread and didn't know how to delete/edit it.  

Chill people, arguing with the Mod isn't going to get you anything but the boot and I don't think it's worth that.  Try to keep in mind that a) she is not paid b) she has to read all this garbage (even the sections we can avoid)  c) people complain to her often and d) she has to draw the line somewhere.   People are overreacting, as I am reading her comments here and in the admin post it's as simple as not using hijacking to make a statement against posters/threads you don't like, not an attempt to control every single written word.  By the way, I got a note as well, I'm not unsympathetic to the concerns, I just don't think it's that hard to follow the rule. 

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 2/2/2008 10:56:57 AM >

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:37:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now this is the exact problem under discussion, the real intent behind the pixels, I read that as sexyred1 wishing she could pull one of her replies off line.

Whole different passle of hassle, n'est ce pas?

Dirty Pierre


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:38:23 AM   
swtnsparkling


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If your posts are continually disrupted, in your view, and people are not coming to your aid… then reevaluate your thinking…you may well deserve the treatment.


Just to be Clear here- This in not in regards to any of my posts. I was an observer of  what was happening.
 
Added: I don't care how stupid anyones posts may be- and I don't believe that just because you think they are stupid or may not like the poster they desreve such treatment.

Don't agree fine- but purposely responding to all threads  made by the same person with belittling only shows me
"oh look she did another one come on girls lets go respond" high school antics, and before you may comment on that let me say Yes it did happen because it was the same people over & over doing it
 
 


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:40:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Do you honestly think that you can expect ANYTHING at all from other people in the way of behavior whether it is online, in person, anywhere?


I've come to understand why people who work hard and earn a lot of money want to raise their children with like-minded individuals in gated communities.  It's not petty arrogance, but just that they recognize that they can't control other people, so they segregate themselves to avoid those who fall short of decency.

Online, it's not entirely possible to do that.  However, it's also easier in respects as the gates that keep computers secure are too high for all but a relatively slim number of users to even attempt to breach.  So, online, it's more of offer-a-benevolent-understanding-and-ignore-the-people-who-don't-comform-to-it sort of thing.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:41:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

quote:

ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

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i really think this is part of the problem. we dont't really understand context online right off the bat, or don't necessarily initially anyway. there's a reply here that i really wish i could pull but it's got to sit there.

sigh such is the joys of online communication.



Now, not to pick on you, but why would you even say that? It is not for you to pull anyone's reply, is it? Why shouldn't the reply sit here? Is it starting a riot? Is it commiting murder? You are not the moderator and it is a free site. You may not like the reply and you can feel free to reply back, but why would you ever want to censor free communication unless it discussed something against the TOS?

I have never understood this censorship thing just because YOU don't like the words. "shakes head".


actually and i agree i should have made it clearer i'm refering to a reply that i made personally to someone.





I think she's referring to her own thread and didn't know how to delete/edit it.


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:43:25 AM   
laurell3


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Now this is the exact problem under discussion, the real intent behind the pixels, I read that as sexyred1 wishing she could pull one of her replies off line.

Whole different passle of hassle, n'est ce pas?

Dirty Pierre



Yeah the quotes are messed up, not sure how, I quoted it and typed outside of the quoteline...but couldn't fix it.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:46:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch



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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   Amazing how the talk of being 'nice' goes right around the elephant in the room.  Have ya'll forgotten this is a BDSM site???  There aren't a lot of places where you can walk in, get comfy and say, "hi, my name is _____ and I get a kick out of hurting other people."  Or that you crave humiliation and abuse.  This is one of them.

  Are we supposed to hide the very aspects of our personalities that brought us here?

  Nice???   If I want to be nice, I'll just stay on the work intranet 24/7. 


i guess i didn't realize that they're mutually exclusive concepts. i'll keep that in mind.



You keep harping on the "nice" and "respect"  concepts and I really have to ask you, in all seriousness:

Do you honestly think that you can expect ANYTHING at all from other people in the way of behavior whether it is online, in person, anywhere?

If so, I feel that your high expectations will just cause you more pain and anguish, because you should only have expectations of yourself. I always say you cannot control the behavior or responses of others, you can only control the behavior and responses of yourself.

If you want everyone to be nice and respectful and courteous and polite, you are not going to find that consistently here online, on any site.

I am surprised that you keep thinking otherwise.


you may be right and i'm not noticing my own obsession. unfortunately it seems to be a character trait with me.

i'm aware that it's not going to happen consistently everywhere as i am aware that i myself don't do it all the time and at times don't engage in it deliberately. however that doesn't mean that i can't think that it should be applied more often.

i just find it odd that people keep voicing something along the lines of "i can be rude because well i can be".


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:47:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissHarlet

With over 1700 posts I wouldnt consider myself new at posting to a public forum......the written word is one dimensional at best and can be misunderstood for we dont have voice inflictios and facial expressions to assist us to " interpret" what is meant.  Perhaps we should consider this when we post and do so with more thought and not just dash things off.  I know I will be more thoughtful of what I write in the future.


It does not matter if I have a billion posts, I am still new to the world of public posting. I am not responsible for someone's interpretation of what I write or for their feelings. I am not their mother. I also never dash anything off, I am a quick thinker but do stop to censor what I write, knowing the Mods are there.

But I can assure you, I do not post anything wondering how it is going to affect someone's delicate sensibilities. If someone chooses to read insult into something not meant to be, that is not my problem. I know my intent, the people here that I respect, know my intent and those people who are intelligent may not understand the intent immediately, but in many cases, as I just alluded to in my post, they came back or I came back, and in further discussions, we came to understand each other's intent.


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:56:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most people hijack when they see the consensus of agreement and so wonder where the debate went.
 
 
I’ve also seen people agree with certain people on one topic but then change their views to disagree with different people about the same topic. It gets a bit dull and most welcome when someone cuts through it all. As it’s opinion as to what intentions a poster has it would however be hard to define a legitimate intervention from a non legitimate one. Also if people have to now report things they consider hijacks, which is going to be based on their biased view in most cases, expect more report notifications to wade through.
 
 
Good luck with that.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:57:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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If you think the OP's thread is stupid, why respond at all? It's not getting in your way or bothering you.


Because you can.  Because they may benefit from editing some of their thoughts before committing them to a thread start in the future if they take the time to understand that the need to communicate more clearly to the audience.  Because stupid people do bother some people.

Being "stupid" or asking what you might think is a "stupid question" isn't against any forum rules, and isn't ever going to be.  When a user/group of users decides that they are going to totally obliterate a thread because they don't "approve" of the poster or what they posted, that's where the problem lies.  It has gotten to the point where a small group of people are following another user from thread to thread and doing exactly that.  The fact that adults would consider such behavior to be ok, is utterly mind-boggling.  That they would even try to defend such behavior, even moreso.

If "stupid people" bother those people so much, we offer two perfectly acceptable courses of action to pursue.  Either of them should work to solve their problem.  They can either ignore the "stupid people" and spend their time here reading posts from other users who they don't think are "stupid", or if they lack the maturity and willpower to do that, they can use the block feature so they don't ever have to be troubled by those "stupid people" ever again.

It doesn't get any more simple than that.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 10:59:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		ach, it's a losing proposition. we are all bound to disagree and world will continue to spin on it's axis.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 11:06:25 AM   
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I know my intent, the people here that I respect, know my intent and those people who are intelligent may not understand the intent immediately, but in many cases, as I just alluded to in my post, they came back or I came back, and in further discussions, we came to understand each other's intent.
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So If I understand this, If I dont understand your intent then Im not respected nor intelligent?

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/2/2008 11:06:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the mind-boggling adults that question may be like those that oppose gun control. They see a bunch of little laws unnecessary when all it would take is to enforce existing ones.

Otherwise moderate the offenders as you wish …new rules are not necessary in this case and just add to the confusion.

I mean this as an opinion and the reason there is such a large response to this issue.

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