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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 9:02:11 AM   
WickedKev


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I'm assuming this wasn't at a typical munch at a vanilla restaurant?


Why would that matter? I would do it in the middle of a town centre if my slave ignored me.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 3:12:24 PM   
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I'm assuming this wasn't at a typical munch at a vanilla restaurant?


Why would that matter? I would do it in the middle of a town centre if my slave ignored me.

Because that's not usual behavior at most munches, and it wouldn't be condoned. Most munches are held at public vanilla restaurants and overt/out of place behavior would not be appreciated, not only so that the group doesn't risk losing the space to meet, but you're risking those around you having to be in awkward positions as well.

I appreciate your right to do whatever you want wherever you are, but I'd consider the behavior and actions you described as ill manners and lack of social awareness if it were at a typical munch situation.

And I wanted to clear it up so that perhaps newbies didn't get the idea that this sort of thing would be typical at munches.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 3:31:33 PM   
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have you ever tried taking the herb Feverfew for your migraines? i know there are many "processed" feverfew tablets available, but i swear by the "4 leaves, rolled and swallowed like pills" process ( do NOT chew these leaves lol!)...................there is scientific backup for feverfew's efficacy with migraines.





I take feverfew for headaches, I would have a migraine at least once a month like the ones you have beth, I use to have to go to the ER for a hypo of demerial and visteral, for the pain and throwing up. Now I take the brand name SOLARRAY 380 mg. per capsules, and I started by taking 3-2x's a day, now I take 3-4 once a day and maintain it. It will take about a month for you to notice the difference, I still get headaches but now when I get an intense one, like this morning, I can take one or two excedrin migraine tabs and it usually keeps me functional. I have been doing this for like 7 months now. It does help and if this doesn't work increase till you find a level that mostly blocks it and than slowly decrease to about 3/4 to 1/2 and see how you do, since everyones body process' things differently. I found I got most of my migraines just before my menstral cycle, and after having a hysterectomy(sp) it decreased the amount, now usually a great amount of stress does it, like this am's was from hurricane Katrina along with frustration at looking for work.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 4:06:31 PM   
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hate?
this slave absolutely hates waking up with a migraine--it sucks, ruins the whole damn day, just gets worse as the day progresses and by noon, the nausea has turned to outright puking, so one vascillates between the bed and the bucket.....worst part about the whole migraine is it is completely disabling, there is NO level of function and is equivalent to being sidelined from actively serving and from life in general. if Master knew how to inflict a migraine, as punishment, it would fall under the hated category, as much of a masochist as this slave is, she hasn't figured out how to turn that "bad" migraine pain into "good" pain, just techniques for avoiding some of the triggers and remedies for lessening the symptoms.


Good Luck!


oy! i am in the same boat you are!! i get the worst migraines...vomiting included. And i HATE being sidelined...i'm completely out of it, and hate feeling useless to my Master. i too have yet to find fun in any of that pain. i'm all ears if you find something that triggers yours...or better yet that cures them!!!

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 4:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		First... I am not a big promoter of physical punishment... it is used with decreased frequency more and more. Maybe because I have pain sluts or maybe I have found better more effect means to instill behavioral changes as well as bringing consequences for misbehavior.

Secondly... for physical punishment... I have used a specific item that is only used in punishment. My 1 and 1/2 inch leather belt. On the sweet spot and ass. I haven't used it in a very long time... and I don't expect to use it again. But, as a physical punishment.. it was effective.. because it was unique in the sensations, but mostly because of the mental significance of disappointment I was feeling.

KoM

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 4:39:12 PM   
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Because that's not usual behavior at most munches, and it wouldn't be condoned. Most munches are held at public vanilla restaurants and overt/out of place behavior would not be appreciated, not only so that the group doesn't risk losing the space to meet, but you're risking those around you having to be in awkward positions as well.


First you don't know me, you don't know the munches I go to. I come from a country that doesn't have the puritanical (Is that a word?) attiutdes but maybe that is because we sent you lot all of our puritans. Most of our munches are in pubs and a lot of times in private rooms. One time during a discussion much on these lines someone suggested we should ban anything considered kink clothing including collers. I know a lot of people who wear the collers full time but it is also a fashion thing here for vanillas, They also wanted us to behave as they do in vanilla pubs so as not scare the newbies. My reply was that collers are banned but I can have her bare her tits, simulate giving me oral sex and or copulation all acts which you can find happening in vanilla pubs on a saturday night. I make no apoligy for who and what I am, I don't follow rules well unless they are my own, and I really don't care if anyone approves of me or my actions. But the really funny thing is I have never been banned from a munch, and get invited to go to 'lifestyle' functions all the time... Nuff said.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 4:53:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Katylied, maybe your Master should try it and see...LMCLAO.

Tickling as a punishment? Well if they aren't into water sports, then use a Depends, and tickle them till they wet their selves. The punishment I hated, which wasn't physical, was having to stand in the corner. I HATED that. I want to do things at sessions, NOT stand in the corner.

Still BEHAVING myself, BalletBob

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 6:24:06 PM   
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I make no apoligy for who and what I am, I don't follow rules well unless they are my own, and I really don't care if anyone approves of me or my actions. But the really funny thing is I have never been banned from a munch, and get invited to go to 'lifestyle' functions all the time... Nuff said.

You're right, I deeply apologize for suggesting you actually had good manners and took your surroundings into account and the consequences of your choices beyond your immediate selfish kinks, won't happen again.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 6:29:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love nothing better than to hear E.S. apologize from time to time, for not knowing it all, afterall!

Us Kev's must stick together!

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 7:07:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol actually fast that was a backhanded apology. she apologized for suggesting that he HAD good manners and took his surroundings into account and the consequences of his immediate selfish kinks.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 7:29:56 PM   
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Because that's not usual behavior at most munches.....


mmmmmm Most would indicate a majority - which is over 50%... considering the size of the world and the possible number of munches that could exists... what maybe several hundred?... and then the distance of all these munches around the world...

ggggeeeeeeeeezzzzzz Emerald - for someone so young you do get around alot to beable to have made such a general claim of authority on what most munches are like. I can only attest to a few minor ones, one in particularly will have some minor toy testing going on from time to time. Infact, the last munch I was at... I tested a new thick rattan cane that was a gift for my girl's birthday. I not sure Emerald... is toy testing common in must munches... or is it an exception?



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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 8:49:53 PM   
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ggggeeeeeeeeezzzzzz Emerald - for someone so young you do get around alot to beable to have made such a general claim of authority on what most munches are like.

Well there is this thing called induction. In my personal direct experience, I've attended munches in the US in almost every state on the east coast, Texas, California, and will be going to Atlanta next month. I've also attended munches in Ireland.

As for INDIRECT experience, I have friends in the UK, a girlfriend in Australia who share with me often their own munch experiences, as well as the, let's just say hundreds, of "what are munches like?" discussions on forum boards. I'm sure there's at least a dozen here, which pretty much also share the idea that the majority of munches take place in a vanilla non-kink context and where overt kinky attention drawing attention is unwelcome.

That doesn't make me the Queen of Munches, or the final authority on their make-up. But that is my experience and where my conclusions have been drawn. If you have substantial evidence to the contrary, please do bring it up. As you may read in the Off Topic Discussion on Judgements, one of my key elements is being open to changing them if new information is brought forth.

My initial question simply wanted to clarify whether the overt attention grabbing behavior took place in a typical vanilla restaurant munch setting or some other setting. Context changes a lot.

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is toy testing common in must munches... or is it an exception?

I would say toy testing is generally uncommon at most munches.


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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 10:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here that kind of behavior would not only get you personally kicked out., but Assure that the entire group lost the use of the buisness as a meeting place.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 10:58:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I destest the idea that 'we mustn't do that it will scare the newbies'. If a little light play such as toy testing as KinghtofMists described or a Dom or Master disciplining his sub/slave scares them, then they probably shouldn't be there to begin with. This is supposedly what they want to be involved in, why would it scare them? Just maybe, if munches reflected a bit more of who and what we are, whatever that might be, instead of pretending to be something we aren't, we might not have so many vanilla's involved in the lifestyle, whatever that may mean to you, just because it's all the rage and the latest fad right now.

Don't get me wrong, I think all should be welcome that want to attend, but if what they are attending is going to scare them, well they will have to decide if it's just to scary to continue or it was a thrilling scare and they want more.

BTW...it's also considered bad manners to impose your ideals on others as the only twue and right way.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 11:07:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
ggggeeeeeeeeezzzzzz Emerald - for someone so young you do get around alot to beable to have made such a general claim of authority on what most munches are like.

Well there is this thing called induction. In my personal direct experience, I've attended munches in the US in almost every state on the east coast, Texas, California, and will be going to Atlanta next month. I've also attended munches in Ireland.

As for INDIRECT experience, I have friends in the UK, a girlfriend in Australia who share with me often their own munch experiences, as well as the, let's just say hundreds, of "what are munches like?" discussions on forum boards. I'm sure there's at least a dozen here, which pretty much also share the idea that the majority of munches take place in a vanilla non-kink context and where overt kinky attention drawing attention is unwelcome.

That doesn't make me the Queen of Munches, or the final authority on their make-up. But that is my experience and where my conclusions have been drawn. If you have substantial evidence to the contrary, please do bring it up. As you may read in the Off Topic Discussion on Judgements, one of my key elements is being open to changing them if new information is brought forth.

My initial question simply wanted to clarify whether the overt attention grabbing behavior took place in a typical vanilla restaurant munch setting or some other setting. Context changes a lot.

quote:

is toy testing common in must munches... or is it an exception?

I would say toy testing is generally uncommon at most munches.



Well maybe not the Queen - but definitely the Princess! I bow to your obvious vast first hand experience and Indirect Experience on the issue as you claim.




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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 11:30:32 PM   
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I destest the idea that 'we mustn't do that it will scare the newbies'. If a little light play such as toy testing as KinghtofMists described or a Dom or Master disciplining his sub/slave scares them, then they probably shouldn't be there to begin with. This is supposedly what they want to be involved in, why would it scare them? Just maybe, if munches reflected a bit more of who and what we are, whatever that might be, instead of pretending to be something we aren't, we might not have so many vanilla's involved in the lifestyle, whatever that may mean to you, just because it's all the rage and the latest fad right now.

Don't get me wrong, I think all should be welcome that want to attend, but if what they are attending is going to scare them, well they will have to decide if it's just to scary to continue or it was a thrilling scare and they want more.

BTW...it's also considered bad manners to impose your ideals on others as the only twue and right way.


I agree with you in principle. If we must restrict ourselves in Munches that are in venues that are Lifestyle for the sake of newbies. Must we also restrict our play in the Public Dungeon Space for the sake of newbies. I understand and do appreciate that there is a social consideration in our actions when we are in a Mainstream Environment in particular. Behaviors we choose to act on will have consequences, good or bad. However, lifestyle events held in seclusion of mainstream society shouldn't be restricted because it might scare the newbie. I can understand the need to restrict certain behaviors/acts that are required to keep the mainstream authorities out of the lifestyle environment. IE. we have certain Play rules in the Public Play Group that I help Organize. They are first and foremost to keep the authorites out. If I would of restricted my play because of newbies.. well denika would of likely not paid much attention to me at all. Since her first public event was a Public play party and she watch me beat the hell out of my alandra. She was actually attracted to my sadistic intensity, just the kind of girl I like *G*

I respect Kev's right to discipline in whatever manner he and his girl deem consensual. My attendence to any lifestyle event is my consent that lifestyle behaviors are going to occur. If I don't like it.. I will leave. If I deem it Unsafe or unconsensual, I will confront. But I will not be judgemental of ones right to discipline in a consensual relationship, it is their way not mine. His and her consequences not mine! It is irrelevant how most munches do it. It is irrelevant how most relationships do it. What matters it is their way!! a Consensual Way! Have at her... she screwed up.. I would of been highly disaoppointed as well and consequences for the misbehavior would of been swift, but done in MY WAY, not how others think it should be done.



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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 11:34:45 PM   
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You're right, I deeply apologize for suggesting you actually had good manners and took your surroundings into account and the consequences of your choices beyond your immediate selfish kinks, won't happen again.


Tut tut Emerald you seem so.......emotional.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 11:40:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Munches aren't play opertunities, Munches, in the typical sense of them are to get together and socialize. You may see someone bring a small toy to show off to friends, and you may even see someone get a friendly smack or two. But munches are not play parties. The behavior guidelines are not so not to scare newbies, their so you will continue being welcome at that establishment. Even in private rooms the waiters sometimes come in to take your orders, and not all the time are rooms private the last munch I went to was held at a table in the middle of the restarante among other tables some of the people family people, in a family setting.

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/7/2005 11:47:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh wickedKev that sounds so phucking sexy cant wait til my lil boy reaches that stage of merciless, disrespectful dom-ness

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RE: Punnishment...two N's are one? - 9/8/2005 12:55:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Katylied, I don't much appreciate your sarcasm. The last time I checked, it was my opinion, not yours. As always, I was merely speaking for myself. I try not to ridicule others, and it would be wonderful if I could get the same respect. I'll let it go at that.

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