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EvilGenie -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 8:18:54 PM)

Oh and I am also happy as well to talk and/or answer questions on the other side as long as they are not of an abusive or rude nature. I'd expect that, disabled or not. [:)]




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 8:54:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold
67,000 people in the United States will become "visually impaired" this year.


And 75 to 80 percent of them will be unemployed.


sblady - higher floors are more expensive if there's a view.




winterlight -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 9:47:57 PM)

we have a blind lady at work. She types all day. I know her typewriter is braille. I know she uses a headset so i imagine it tells her what she typed.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 11:42:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AxilX

I see your located in Arizona, i'm not sure what the laws are about recording phone converations there, but if you're not required to obtain consent (in NJ where i live, and in many states you do not) get a cheap tape recorder, and document them telling you the cost of the apartment is the same across all floors, then threaten to go to the better business bureau if they give you the run around.



In Arizona, one participating party needs to be aware that the conversation is being recorded.  If that happens to be you, oh well!  There's your recorded conversation! 
It could be a good idea, MistressofGA.  Call in advance and don't say anything regarding your disability.  Then when you arrive to see the apartments of choice, if they switch gears, you got 'em!
I am here to help out too!
We'll get you settled, one way or the other!




MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 11:47:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

When did you become blind?


September of last year. I explained on this post :)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1595856/mpage_2/tm.htm

MoGa




MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 11:49:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pupofMoGa

<crawls up to Mistress with a guide harness on and sits quietly by Her side, listening to Her talk>


Now I told you that you can not be my guide puppy.
<Hopes she doesn't have any dog fights> lol




MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 11:50:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

As most of you know, I am blind. When searching for an apt. for the past several weeks, I ran into this:


Good lady, I didn't know that.... *warm hugsssssss*
 
I've always liked you, but my respect for you has grown quite a bit, reading this thread.


Level, why do you think I haven't been on CM for so long? lol Bless your heart, I have always liked you too!
 
Hugs,
 
MoGa




MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 12:09:37 AM)

EvilGenie,
Very very nice post! You are right of course, however, those that are saying how strong I am, are those who know me personally. I have not told my whole story here, as it is personal and I just wanted to start a thread about what to do about discrimination. But Mistress Hathor and my own pup know me. They know the hell I have been through for over a year and that is the reason that they admire my strength, not because I am blind and able to cope, but because I have shown my strength in so many other ways, that didn't even include my blindness.
I wish that I could give kudos to everyone who is disabled. It is freaking hard! I admire you! My journey is just beginning, and I am sure I will make mistakes along the way, but hopefully I wont trip and kill myself before I get to where I want to be <s>
 
Thank you again for your most excellent post. It does give us all something to think about.
 
Hugs!!
 
MoGa




MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 12:11:55 AM)

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In Arizona, one participating party needs to be aware that the conversation is being recorded.  If that happens to be you, oh well!  There's your recorded conversation! 
It could be a good idea, MistressofGA.  Call in advance and don't say anything regarding your disability.  Then when you arrive to see the apartments of choice, if they switch gears, you got 'em!

I am here to help out too!
We'll get you settled, one way or the other!


GDG,
I can't wait to meet you! MH has told me such wonderful things about you. I would love to just sit down and have coffee with you. We need to plan :)
 
MoGa 




ReginaCaeli -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 2:57:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Griswold
This reminds me of a question I'm often asked; "Why the hell do they have Braille on Drive Thru bank machines?"

(Did it ever occur that while being driven to a bank....after hours....blind people may occasionally need money too?)

That, and it'd be cheaper to make all the ATMs - I never use 'em, don't quite trust 'em, but reportedly the walk-ups are basically the same as the drive-thru machines - with Braille faceplates than to make separate sets.




Griswold -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 5:08:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilGenie

I wonder what makes the, already laudable for who she is, MoGA so much more laudable here now. I have read from more than one along the lines of ............I didn't know you were blind and then all of the sudden she is automatically ''gutsy'' ''strong'' and many other adjectives. I would dare say MoGA you'd be exactly the same sort of woman that you are now, blind or not. See where this is going? Anyone? All of the sudden she has changed because she deals with blindness.

Many of us are disabled, ''gutsy'' and ''strong'' but it is not our disabilities that make us such. I have always been gutsy and strong long before the word disability came into my life and always will remain so. We are no more gutsy or strong because we are disabled than all of the other gutsy and strong folks who are not disabled. My disabilities are at times horrific and people often ask ''how do you do it??''  There are plenty of disabled couch potatoes as well just as there are plenty of non-disabled couch potatoes. It is a personality type, not a disability which sets some of us apart, disabled or not. Is life a bit more difficult with disabilities? In many cases, yes. Though those who perservere are those who want to not only those with disabilities.

Well peeps, we all have 2 options, disabled or not. Move forward, go on and live a life worth living or give up, sit in a corner and wait to die. I do not want to take up space waiting to die thanks. For every ONE thing that I am unable to do, there are a MILLION more that I can do.

MoGA as to your question of telling people. When I was actively seeking, I told those whom I felt a closeness with. When making friends it is much the same. When I met mine whom I am now married to I pretty much told him most of it right up front as I knew for certain this was going someplace. You see, my disabilities are 3 tiered and I think I have mentioned one of them in my journal here. I have always been one of those ''my life is an open book'' types so I tend not to even think to hide these facts about myself. In fact, at times, I believe it has helped people understand me and other disabled folks a bit better.

My disabilities are facts to me just like my eyes being green or my hair being blonde. They carry very little if any emotional weight to them anymore though I have my moments. So I am a bit like Joe Friday with a ''just the facts Ma'am'' attitude. They are part of what makes me who I am and I am proud of who I am and what I have contributed to those I love and care about and to the world through my chosen career paths.

Many may take exception to my post and that is your perogative though I tend to call things as I see them. To me, seeing someone as anything more special than you already thought that they were because they speak of their disability is just another form, though a bit more palitable, of discrimination. It discriminates against the very person who is disabled in a reverse sort of way and discriminates against those without disabilities. I live by this saying, ''I am not my disabilities. I am Hajar''

We aren't exceptional people, though we may be plain old folks doing exceptional things along with the millions of other plain old folks doing exceptional things. MoGA thank you for the compliments and I gratefully accept them as a fellow human being.

Best of All Things in Life!


A little cold, derisive even....but effectively put.




Griswold -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 5:11:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

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ORIGINAL: TribeTziyon

I am jumping ahead here without finishing reading the thread but I may not make it through or back.

I lived in Phoenix for a a number of years in the 1990's. I have been gone 6 years now, so things have changed I suppose. There were some nice rentals in the Glendale that specialized in serving the handicapped. The ones I am referring to were on 59th Avenue. They were all ground floor and spacious. The accomodations were more tailored for those with mobility challenges but they might be an option. Renting in Phoenix was like renting in no other place I lived.

Good thoughts and wishes to you on your journey.

I use to live almost a stone's throw from the Arizona School for the Blind. Just reading your post brought it back so clearly.

I found a place in the Glendale area. It is very far from my school as you know, but I use dial-a-ride so fairly cheap to get there :)
 
MoGa


I loooooooove the fact that you're legally blind and YET!!!!!!  Every single sentence is well laid out, every comma is perfectly placed....and you misspell not ONE word!!!!

(I have a bit of a complex on this subject....love that yours is/are perfect!)




Smith117 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 5:16:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

As most of you know, I am blind. When searching for an apt. for the past several weeks, I ran into this:
 
Me: I need a bottom floor, (As I am standing there with a red and white guide cane) because I can't see.
 
Manager: Oh we have those!
 
Me: Cool how much are your one bedrooms?
 
Manager: Well, if you were to move into a second floor one bedroom it would be 600.00 but since you are moving into a bottom floor, the rent will be 650.00
 
Me: You have got to be kidding, yes? I am expected to pay a higher price because I am handicapped?
 
Manager: Oh no, not because you are handicapped, everyone pays higher rent to live on the bottom floor.
 
Me: But I have no choice but to live on the bottom floor, since I can't see! So I am left with no option but to rent a bottom level floor and I am being forced to pay higher rent.
 
Manager: Pause..no answer
 
Me: OK, I am getting a guide dog soon. I understand from Arizona School for the Blind and Hearing Impaired, that they are considered service animals and as such you can not charge me pet fees. Is this correct?
 
Manager: Oh, let me just check something.
 
Manager leaves. Manager comes back.
 
Manager: Miss ___, I'm terribly sorry, but I seem to have made a mistake, there are no one bedroom first floor apts. available. But keep us in mind in the future.
 
<Sigh>
I have never been handicapped before, but I am finding out really fast how discriminatory people are being toward me. This is not a pity post. I would like some ideas on how to deal with apartment managers who act this way. (Other than knocking the shit out of them)[:D]
 
MoGa 




Seems to me she plainly said that ALL who live on the bottom floor would pay the higher price. It's not her fault you're blind. Nor is it her concern whether someone chooses to live on the ground floor or if they need to live there. If everyone who lives on the ground floor pays the same price, I fail to see the problem other than someone wanting special dispensation due to their handicap. For example, you'd never have known the upper floor prices had she not told you, right?




MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/5/2008 8:32:10 PM)

<continues pressing against Mistress's thigh, whimpering and giving Her puppy eyes, yearning to be Her guide pup>




pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 4:45:26 AM)

Oops, looks like i was logged in under the wrong screen name when i posted that. Please excuse the error!




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 5:06:27 AM)

As far as your comment about people prefering a ground floor apt. because they don't want to walk up stairs "whether they're handicapped or not" is missing the point-for someone who is sight impaired its a safety issue.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 5:10:30 AM)

here's some home work for you-close your eyes and see how you mange your stairs.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 5:16:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

If you want to be treated as an equal, then you're going to have to pay as an equal.

When another floor cost more, it has to do with something special such as more floor space, a better balcony, or a nicer celing.

As for dealing with apartments, just call in advance and only ask what there rates are for first floor apartments. Don't ask about second and higher floor cost. That way, you'll never know if higher floors go for a cheaper rate.

No matter what, never expect to pay cheeper just because you're forced to choose something that's more expensive. Regardless of the circumstance, price is what it is.




You seem to assume people with disabilities don't want to be treated the same as able-bodied people. Very insightful of you to imagine disabled people don't want the same opportunities as everyone else, and that people who have some kind of impairment dont understand that equal rights equals equal responsibilties.




amativedame -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 5:33:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
 
What I am saying, is that I think that the extra cost was thrown on there because of my needing a bottom floor. I doubt that the other people on the bottom floor have to pay extra for living on the bottom.


The premium for living on the bottom floor is not because you are blind, it is simply a fee that hundreds of thousands of apartment complexes have across the country.  Some charge extra for being on the first floor, some charge extra for living on the top floor.  No apartment complex would charge you extra for living on the bottom floor because you were blind.  That would be blatant discrimination and they would be risking obsene amounts of money and lifetime free rent by doing so.  As far as your issues with rental agents.... please remember they are real people who make mistakes.  If they have not dealt with having to rent to someone who has a disability (or not needed a guide dog in your case) they may not know what their company's protocal is.  Sometimes people have bad days, and give you wrong information over the phone (like any human being has done sometime in their life.)  I don't see how you've been purposefully discriminated against here... inconvienced?  Yes, having some misunderstandings... yes.  As some who works in a rental office, I cannot tell you how many people come in expecting us to have a million apartments open so they can have exactly what they want.  Certain floors, certain views, 99% of the time thats not the case.  If first floor apartments are premium for them, then it is only logical for you to expect that they will not necessarily have a first floor apartment open for you.  As I have to tell people every day, just because I have 5 apartments comming up for renewal next month doesn't mean I'll have 5 open apartments open next month.  I can have five or I have have NONE.  Yeah, it sucks... but generally you and everyone else wants the same thing and statistics aren't on your side.

No apartment manager is going to lie to you and tell you there aren't any first floor apartments for when you want to rent if there are available units.  For many of us, we've got a lot of units and its hard to keep whats open and whats not open on a certain date without looking.  Its not illogical for someone to check and find that they infact don't have a unit open when they thought they did.  We get discrimination training, no one is going to do that to you and risk their job, and everything they own (yes, that can happen.)   Could they have been more helpful and on the ball? Sure.  I think calling discrimination in this case is going overboard. Just because you don't like managements regulations doesn't mean its discrimination.  I've seen rates of 100-150 difference on rent because of certain floors.  To say that she/he bumped the rent up 50 dollars because she knew you couldn't afford it is assuming way way too much.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 5:39:31 AM)

It sounds as if this person just couldn't be bothered with you or your disability. I'm sorry you're having such a bl***y tough time at the moment, after not having an impairment for most of you life to suddenly be faced with such a severe one is a massive blow.

Ive used a wheelchair all My life (38 years) and dont like it most of the time, especially when I see tall able bodied guys arm in arm with tall able-bodied girls! lol, the times I've seen My perfect pony girl walk right past Me cos she's already taken!, but I understand how lucky am I, there's a line in a song "Sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it", meaning, if you had it and lost it, you know what you're missing but, if like Me you never had it to begin with, you don't know what it was like so don't miss it.

People like that land lord you met are everywhere and they take a special kind of understanding that I don't have lol. Thankfully, there are -plenty- of people around who either know how difficult your life is at times because its their job to know, or others, who may not have any specialist knowledge but are will ing help if you need it, or,just as important, happy to step back if you say you'll do it yourself.

I hope this wasn't patronising. I wish you luck, take care.




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