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joanus -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 7:34:39 AM)
Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled!

HalloweenWhite -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 9:24:38 AM)
lmao at blind not crippled. I must be a cripple then cos Im in a wheelchair and not blind?.

philosophy -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 9:46:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! "If I want to talk to and expert I'll talk to a mirror, if I want to hear an Ass bray I'll talk to you." ~Joanus (my italics) ...are you sure the italicised bit is the right way round?

pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 11:02:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! Warning: Guard Dog At Work I cannot believe you are talking to MoGa like that, i believe you owe Her an apology! You do not know what situation She is in, She almost fell down a flight of stairs the other day. Just because She can see Her computer screen a few inches from Her face doesn't mean that She can easily navigate. How insensitive can someone be toward another human being. Just because You were partially blinded once doesn't mean you have walked in Her shoes. On top of Her vision, She has other medical conditions you are not aware of including Neuropathy, which makes walking even harder for Her. Don't ever try to say that She is putting on an act for sympathy or anything you are trying to prove. How dare you attack Her like that just because you know someone who didn't have any problems navigating. If you haven't realized this yet about human beings, then let me enlighten you.... WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!!!!!! My god i cannot believe that you can be that insensitive toward someone's disability just because you didn't have any problem. Talk about a bad case of arrogance, you need a lesson in humility Joanus. If you were right in front of me saying this about MoGa, i would literally beat the daylights out of you. Grow up, and get off the high horse you came into this room on. You are not better than anyone else in this world, sorry to burst your bubble.

camille65 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 11:12:03 AM)
Aw now I want a pup tooooooooo.

philosophy -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 11:18:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 Aw now I want a pup tooooooooo. ........(writing with a pup at his feet)...are you sure? You go through a lot of paper towel cleaning up after them......

camille65 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 11:25:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 Aw now I want a pup tooooooooo. ........(writing with a pup at his feet)...are you sure? You go through a lot of paper towel cleaning up after them...... Hmmm. Maybe not after all! [:D]I think I just want a puppy hug. Joanus? A post like that pretty much validates the 'waiting for approval'. I agree that losing your sight for a few days does not equate knowing exactly how another person can, or cannot function.IMO it is best to 'call bullshit' only when you can unequivicaly (wow sp) back that up with facts.

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 12:28:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! And I'm both, but that's beside the point. MoGa (and presumably her medical practitioners) knows the extent of her abilities and disabilities. Someone who has ONLY blindness to contend with has a lot easier time of it than someone who has other disabilities. For instance, I have been chastized by other amputees for not being able to walk with a prosthesis. Well, I am totally blind in one eye and legally blind in the other; I have no depth perception. My other foot is totally numb from neuropathy and is in a brace which makes movement imposible. I have always had trouble going downhill, even when I could see and had two legs. So walking with a prosthesis is damn near impossible for me. Before you say, "I can do it, therefore you can," be sure the shoes you're walking in fit the other person exactly the same as they fit you.

pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 12:42:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! And I'm both, but that's beside the point. MoGa (and presumably her medical practitioners) knows the extent of her abilities and disabilities. Someone who has ONLY blindness to contend with has a lot easier time of it than someone who has other disabilities. For instance, I have been chastized by other amputees for not being able to walk with a prosthesis. Well, I am totally blind in one eye and legally blind in the other; I have no depth perception. My other foot is totally numb from neuropathy and is in a brace which makes movement imposible. I have always had trouble going downhill, even when I could see and had two legs. So walking with a prosthesis is damn near impossible for me. Before you say, "I can do it, therefore you can," be sure the shoes you're walking in fit the other person exactly the same as they fit you. <stands up and gives Subbie an applaud> That is exactly what i am talking about! Great addition! Thank you for supporting the issue at hand.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:01:19 PM)
quote: No apartment manager is going to lie to you and tell you there aren't any first floor apartments for when you want to rent if there are available units. For many of us, we've got a lot of units and its hard to keep whats open and whats not open on a certain date without looking. Its not illogical for someone to check and find that they infact don't have a unit open when they thought they did. We get discrimination training, no one is going to do that to you and risk their job, and everything they own (yes, that can happen.) Could they have been more helpful and on the ball? Sure. I think calling discrimination in this case is going overboard. Just because you don't like managements regulations doesn't mean its discrimination. I've seen rates of 100-150 difference on rent because of certain floors. To say that she/he bumped the rent up 50 dollars because she knew you couldn't afford it is assuming way way too much. Well guess what? My sister checked and there was indeed an apartment, when the manager told me there was'nt. You can't EVER make a blanket statement like you did in your post. You never really know if there IS such a place that did exactly what you said would NEVER happen. Did you notice in my post that I said that as soon as I mentioned that I would be having a guide dog, the manager excused herself and came back saying there was not an apt. available. I guess not all managers can be as efficient as you are. I am getting tired of people saying that I am wanting "special" treatment becuase I am visonally impaired, or that I should be able to walk up and down stairs without any problems. I said from the beginning that my blindess is NEW and that I am finding it hard to adjust. As far as my typing and how everything is perfectly written, part of the JAWS program is that it repeats every single letter back to me that I type, so yes, I am aware of which letters I hit. It also doesn't hurt that before I lost my sight, I was able to type 55 words per minuite. quote: Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! Well good for you and your recovery. Congratulations on getting your siight back. I supposed if I were YOU, I would have been able to leap tall buildings in a single bound and been able to walk on water as well, but I am just me. I think there is a huge difference in sitting at a computer using a program that helps me get around online and walking up 15 stairs that may or may not contain something like..oh let's say a beer bottle that someone was negligent in leaving on the 5th stair. Ooops, I couldn't SEE the bottle and down I go. If you think that is impossible, then I suppose you should pay my emergency room bill for the time I fell off a stair and cracked my elbow. You are right about ONE thing in your comments, I am NOT cripple and I would like to keep it that way, by not putting myself in situations that may make me that way. MoGa

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:12:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pupofMoGa quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! Warning: Guard Dog At Work I cannot believe you are talking to MoGa like that, i believe you owe Her an apology! You do not know what situation She is in, She almost fell down a flight of stairs the other day. Just because She can see Her computer screen a few inches from Her face doesn't mean that She can easily navigate. How insensitive can someone be toward another human being. Just because You were partially blinded once doesn't mean you have walked in Her shoes. On top of Her vision, She has other medical conditions you are not aware of including Neuropathy, which makes walking even harder for Her. Don't ever try to say that She is putting on an act for sympathy or anything you are trying to prove. How dare you attack Her like that just because you know someone who didn't have any problems navigating. If you haven't realized this yet about human beings, then let me enlighten you.... WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!!!!!! My god i cannot believe that you can be that insensitive toward someone's disability just because you didn't have any problem. Talk about a bad case of arrogance, you need a lesson in humility Joanus. If you were right in front of me saying this about MoGa, i would literally beat the daylights out of you. Grow up, and get off the high horse you came into this room on. You are not better than anyone else in this world, sorry to burst your bubble. <Holds her arms out to her puppy> C'mere you! You are soooooooooooooo freakin cute. I love it when you bear your teeth, and such lovely teeth you have too. Thakn you my love. You are a good boy! <Covers her pup's face with lil kisses>

EvilGenie -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:14:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HalloweenWhite lmao at blind not crippled. I must be a cripple then cos Im in a wheelchair and not blind?. Yup, those of us disabled who are not blind are the cripples. Geezuz didn't anyone tell you?! [:D]

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:16:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 Aw now I want a pup tooooooooo. ........(writing with a pup at his feet)...are you sure? You go through a lot of paper towel cleaning up after them...... Hmmm. Maybe not after all! [:D]I think I just want a puppy hug. Joanus? A post like that pretty much validates the 'waiting for approval'. I agree that losing your sight for a few days does not equate knowing exactly how another person can, or cannot function.IMO it is best to 'call bullshit' only when you can unequivicaly (wow sp) back that up with facts. A quick hi-jack <s> lol to Jenny! philosophy is right, pups can be a bit slobbery with their kisses, but oooooooooh so worth it! I think everyone should have a puppy, but only if they are the ready and able to take care of one. Their emotions are like that of a child's. But they do give you as much love and devotion that anyone can ask for. I could not be any prouder of mine right now than if I had raised him from puppyhood. BTW, his goal is to get into the puppybowl lol <Sets a bowl down> Here ya go baby, have fun! lol ETA: If I were a puppy, I would give you a puppy hug, but since I am not, I will give my pup permission to give you a puppy hug :)

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:19:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! And I'm both, but that's beside the point. MoGa (and presumably her medical practitioners) knows the extent of her abilities and disabilities. Someone who has ONLY blindness to contend with has a lot easier time of it than someone who has other disabilities. For instance, I have been chastized by other amputees for not being able to walk with a prosthesis. Well, I am totally blind in one eye and legally blind in the other; I have no depth perception. My other foot is totally numb from neuropathy and is in a brace which makes movement imposible. I have always had trouble going downhill, even when I could see and had two legs. So walking with a prosthesis is damn near impossible for me. Before you say, "I can do it, therefore you can," be sure the shoes you're walking in fit the other person exactly the same as they fit you. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] Bless your heart. I could not even begin to understand the hell you have been through. I admire your strength and the fact that you are a survivor. God..I hate hearing that right now, but in your case, I just don't know how to tell you how much your story touches my heart. Big hugs!!! MoGa

EvilGenie -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:23:28 PM)
I also deal with severe neuropathy and at one point was going to begin a thread to see if anyone else is dealing with it. It has been many years now for me with that and my other disabilities. I have learned to live with pain that most human beings could never endure. A great deal of the time I am ok with the mind blowing pain, numbness and complete lack of feeling and other times I just want to speak to someone who knows how it is. Should anyone with neuropathy wish to contact me on the other side, please feel free to! MoGa I received your letter and want to respond when I have the time to really give you a well thought out letter in return but it's coming!

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 2:26:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] Bless your heart. I could not even begin to understand the hell you have been through. I admire your strength and the fact that you are a survivor. God..I hate hearing that right now, but in your case, I just don't know how to tell you how much your story touches my heart. Big hugs!!! MoGa Thank you for that. Funny - I didn't realize I'd be making connections with other disabled people on a BDSM site. I value each friend I make here, and appreciate the qualities each has displayed. Keep up the good work, my friend.

pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 4:38:15 PM)
Jenny, with Mistress's permission i would like to give You a puppy hug. <stands on hind legs and drapes paws over Your shoulders while wagging my tail> <dashes back to Mistress, jumps onto Her and smothers Her with puppy kisses> I love You Mistress and nothing pleases me more than to know that i had the honor of bringing happiness to You. <nussels Mistress's neck, fluffs Her seat cushion, and lays down quietly at Her feet after spending time pushing the bowl around the room with my nose and splashing the water and barking at it>

Kalista07 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 4:49:33 PM)
MoGa, first of all i must apologize because i'm about to hi-jack Your thread a little bit.....So, my apologies in advance.... WTF is wrong with us??? i mean really??!! What is it about us that we love and get off on criticising, tearing apart, and degrading other people? Where's the fucking humanity in that??!! i don't understand this world we live in....Really i don't...So many times, i feel like i don't belong in this world because i just can't get it...i remember when i was doing my undergraduate work and i had this class and my instructor was trying to teach us why jewish people were 'supposedly' different.....i couldn't get it...Seriously, i just couldn't fucking get it...i felt like a dumb ass, but i couldn't get it...Finally one day in class she looked at me and said, "ya know *****, the fact that You are unable to comprehend this topic speaks volumes about you." How hard is it to extend a person some support, some care, some concern??? How difficult is it really to stop and think, "hmm...How would i want to be treated if i were in their position?" WTF is wrong with us??!! Sunday i was in a major car accident....i lost control of my tracker, it spun out of control, it was either hit this truck or aim for the ditch...i chose the ditch...The 'ditch' ended up being a 40 foot ravine.....Yeah, sucked ass..... i can not tell You how many people from CM have emaiiled me, called me, etc to ask if i'm okay and tell me they care about me..... Do You have any idea how strangely good that feels?? Can You imagine if just for one day, You went out of Your way and were nice to three people without any expectation of getting anything in return?? Again, i apologize MoGa...i'm not sure if it's the results of the accident or the anniversary of my dad's death but i seem to be a bit fucked up today....My apologies.

TribeTziyon -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 4:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Ok bullshit. Your blind and can use a computer but can't navigate stairs? Damn it I went to school with blind girl and she had no problem walking up and down stairs, even when they put in an elevator she still used the stairs. Also I was once blinded by a FBG (thankfully my sight came back after a couple of days) I had no problems going about my daily activities, one of which involed walking up the steps in front of my apartment. For Christs sake your blind not crippled! Your reply is just rude. A couple of days blind is hardly the samething.

Smith117 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/6/2008 6:30:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kalista07 MoGa, first of all i must apologize because i'm about to hi-jack Your thread a little bit.....So, my apologies in advance.... WTF is wrong with us??? i mean really??!! What is it about us that we love and get off on criticising, tearing apart, and degrading other people? Where's the fucking humanity in that??!! i don't understand this world we live in....Really i don't...So many times, i feel like i don't belong in this world because i just can't get it...i remember when i was doing my undergraduate work and i had this class and my instructor was trying to teach us why jewish people were 'supposedly' different.....i couldn't get it...Seriously, i just couldn't fucking get it...i felt like a dumb ass, but i couldn't get it...Finally one day in class she looked at me and said, "ya know *****, the fact that You are unable to comprehend this topic speaks volumes about you." How hard is it to extend a person some support, some care, some concern??? How difficult is it really to stop and think, "hmm...How would i want to be treated if i were in their position?" WTF is wrong with us??!! Sunday i was in a major car accident....i lost control of my tracker, it spun out of control, it was either hit this truck or aim for the ditch...i chose the ditch...The 'ditch' ended up being a 40 foot ravine.....Yeah, sucked ass..... i can not tell You how many people from CM have emaiiled me, called me, etc to ask if i'm okay and tell me they care about me..... Do You have any idea how strangely good that feels?? Can You imagine if just for one day, You went out of Your way and were nice to three people without any expectation of getting anything in return?? Again, i apologize MoGa...i'm not sure if it's the results of the accident or the anniversary of my dad's death but i seem to be a bit fucked up today....My apologies. While I agree many are a little....off about somethings, I'd like to counter/add to your statement with the following: While some do need to be more sensitive, some others need to learn that not everything is a slight against them as a people. Just because a guy uses the word "boy" does not mean he's belittling a black man, just because a man says "sweetie" does not mean he's demeaning women and just because an apartment renter said ALL apartments on the ground floor are the same price does not mean she is against handicapped people. The problem with this society is two fold: first MANY have come to feel a sense of entitlement for whatever ails them. Black man doesn't get hired, it's because he's black. Women doesn't get a promotion, it's because she's a woman. Everyone seems to think ME ME ME waaaay too much these days and any disssention from that is taken as an intentional slight against them for whatever sociological or economic reasons. The second part of society that's the problem is that a large number of people are sick of the first problem with society and have reacted too far the other way. They don't care what happens to the lady who drops her bag of groceries in the street because it's not them. They don't care about making a wheelchair-bound person park elsewhere because they wanted the handi-space for "only a minute or two." As a matter of fact, I went to the local convenience store the other day, parked in the space next to the striped "van access" space. And went about taking off my seatbelt, etc. (The Handi-space for the striped part was on the opposite side.) Anyway, as I got to get out, this fat, (obviously) dumb, big-haired blonde chick (think Barbara Jean from "Reba") pulls up in a sporty Chrysler Crossfire and gets out....blatantly taking up the striped space. I say to her very loudly "that ain't a parking space." And her reply was "I know." So I just shouted "Man, where are the cops when you need them?" When I came back out, I noticed that she'd not only done all of the above but also left her car running with the keys in it. I was soooo tempted to mention it to the group of guys nearby to see if, by some chance, one was the type who'd like to steal such a car. Society in general is failing on many levels. Partly because of people's lack of caring and partly because of some people's desire to be thought of as special or deserving some special treatment or advantage. MANY many people are facing hardships these days. Even the people who you see driving the nice BMW and living in the nice house....they're probably in debt up to their eyeballs most likely and one missed paycheck could send their world into chaos. The main point of all this is, everyone has problems, just not the same problems. Society is not going to improve until we start focus more on helping others and less on demanding that same help. All you can do is be the nice person you feel you should be, and forget the rest. Well, that's what you can do. I do that as well, but I also try to take any opportunity I can to get in people's faces and showcase their idiocy. Mainly because I don't think anything will change until some of these 'tards are humiliated into seeing the error or their ways. But then I'm also prepared to deal with the fallout.

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