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SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/7/2008 3:09:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantheart
Please don't mistake my agreement with joanus to mean that one can be exactly as they were prior to whatever happened that landed them in the condition they're in and pretend that nothing ever happened.  What I meant was that with determination, any person can overcome (i.e. bypass) whatever their limitations are.  In your case, you have overcome the inability to walk by using a wheelchair. 

Thank you for explaining. I apologize for misunderstanding.
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It matters not whether you use a prosthesis, wheelchair, or if you grow wings and fly around everywhere in order to accomplish this. 

I wish!




servantheart -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/7/2008 3:25:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

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ORIGINAL: servantheart
Please don't mistake my agreement with joanus to mean that one can be exactly as they were prior to whatever happened that landed them in the condition they're in and pretend that nothing ever happened.  What I meant was that with determination, any person can overcome (i.e. bypass) whatever their limitations are.  In your case, you have overcome the inability to walk by using a wheelchair. 

Thank you for explaining. I apologize for misunderstanding.
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It matters not whether you use a prosthesis, wheelchair, or if you grow wings and fly around everywhere in order to accomplish this. 

I wish!



No worries.  Sometimes I develop a case of  footinmouthitis [&:]. 
 
As for me, I'd love to have a pair of wings, about 20 arms and grow approximately six more inches [8D]




Suzykeu -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/7/2008 3:39:08 PM)

My grandma is deaf and one of the things that is really funny to me is that when my Mom was young She had to keep explaining to people that my grandma didn't need something to be written in Braile.

Or it was funny until i had people ask me the same thing...




pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/7/2008 6:51:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

I know my post came across as rude but the under lying point which you are all failing to see (pun) is that, instead of saying I cannot do it because I am blind, You should be saying I CAN do it despite being blind. Deaf people use lights to help them hear music. Parapligics prefur old fashion hand powered chairs instead of the new electric ones, unless they have a reason why they can't use their arms. Even people with full body paralsis (Steven Hawkin, Chris Reeve) found ways to utalize and over come rather than sit and wait to die.

Also instead of foucing on a nonnessiserial trivality like surfing the internet (which believe me you can live without a lot easier than eyesight)  maybe you should try using that energy on learning brail, or practicing with your cane. As for someone leaveing things on the stairs, That is why you have your cane. You sweep each stair with a 2-1-2 sweeping pattern (which takes less than a second) useing a reversgrip and navigating stairs is easy.

For those of you at home who are not blind, try blind folding your self. (Im sure your Domme will let you barrow one) then use a broom or similar object to be your "cane". and try navigateing your stairs. If you don't have stairs then just try navigating your home.

As long as your maintain the mind set of I CAN you can over come your limits. I would also suggest training your other senses to compensate for your lose for sight.

The differnace between being Handicaped and Handicapable depends on how strong your resolve is.

 
Ok, I have to dig (no pun intended for this pup), again into one of your posts joanus. As a historian, I understand the importance of conveying my thoughts in a way in which other interpretations of my own words have to have extensive support to hold any water, so here i go.
 
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joanus

the under lying point which you are all failing to see (pun) is that, instead of saying I cannot do it because I am blind, You should be saying I CAN do it despite being blind

 
Let’s see what actually is going on for this section……..
 
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MoGa 2/3/2008

I am the first person to say that I am NOT handicapped because I am still able to do a lot of things.

 
Mistress never said that they could not do anything because She is blind. The only thing She has said is that the things are HARDER for Her to due from Her multiple medical conditions.
 
With medical conditions like Neuropathy, walking up and down stairs becomes a different issue all together. As EvilGenie stated :
 
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I also deal with severe neuropathy and at one point was going to begin a thread to see if anyone else is dealing with it. It has been many years now for me with that and my other disabilities. I have learned to live with pain that most human beings could never endure. A great deal of the time I am ok with the mind blowing pain, numbness and complete lack of feeling and other times I just want to speak to someone who knows how it is.

Mistress has been working harder than you could imagine at improving Her life with these new challenges thrown in. Even SubbieOnWheels agreed by saying:
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MoGa, you are doing extremely well! At your stage, I was still grousing about what I could NOT do - and I'm "only" legally blind.

Mistress even reinforces what others have said about Her by saying:
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EvilGenie,
Very very nice post! You are right of course, however, those that are saying how strong I am, are those who know me personally. I have not told my whole story here, as it is personal and I just wanted to start a thread about what to do about discrimination. But Mistress Hathor and my own pup know me. They know the hell I have been through for over a year and that is the reason that they admire my strength, not because I am blind and able to cope, but because I have shown my strength in so many other ways, that didn't even include my blindness.
I wish that I could give kudos to everyone who is disabled. It is freaking hard! I admire you! My journey is just beginning, and I am sure I will make mistakes along the way, but hopefully I wont trip and kill myself before I get to where I want to be <s>

How do you get that She is not making ANY efforts to improve Her life? You make it seem like all She does is lay around the house 24/7/365 doing nothing but surfing these forums and complaining about what She CANNOT do. I hate to break your perfect heart, but that is the farthest from the truth a person can get.
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joanus

Deaf people use lights to help them hear music. Parapligics prefur old fashion hand powered chairs instead of the new electric ones, unless they have a reason why they can't use their arms. Even people with full body paralsis (Steven Hawkin, Chris Reeve) found ways to utalize and over come rather than sit and wait to die.

On the matter of the comments regarding other types of disabled persons, where do you get your evidence? Until you can show me evidence that these statements are a proven fact, then they will go right where they belong <tosses them in the garbage>. You have to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that the statements that you make are FACT rather than OPINION. Show me some articles, scholarly journals, scientific surveys (newspaper polls or online surveys do not count due to biases in the design of the studies to achieve a particular answer), or even a reference in a book to prove that these statements about personal preferences are true and not lies.
When you mentioned Christopher Reeve, he did not accept his handicap immediately. He was in depression for months and interviews of him reflected this. A article on CNN on October 11,2004 stated:
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An active horseman, Reeve was taking part in an equestrian competition in 1995 when he was thrown from his horse. The event changed his life overnight. After the accident, he told Barbara Walters that he had considered suicide, but thoughts of his children dissuaded him, according to The Associated Press."I could see how much they needed me and wanted me ... and how lucky we all are and that my brain is on straight," he said. He refused to let his injury -- he was left a quadriplegic -- slow him down, and he exhorted others to take chances.

And Steven Hawkins wasn’t paralyzed due to an accident, he was born with Spina Bifida, so he didn’t have to adjust to his condition. He lived his whole life from birth, and eventually to death. Being paralyzed is all he has been his whole life, like most handicapped people; he did not give up in the face of adversity!
Most handicapped people you see are not sitting around waiting to die, unless they are on death row but that is another topic. Mistress is not waiting around to die, She is in Mobility Training as we speak and is progressing at a very good rate. She took two months to get Herself together and pursue Her dreams of being independent and active again.
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joanus

Also instead of foucing on a nonnessiserial trivality like surfing the internet (which believe me you can live without a lot easier than eyesight)  maybe you should try using that energy on learning brail, or practicing with your cane.

This just shows how insensitive You are and also Your reluctance to read the threads and what is being discussed BEFORE stating your opinion on an issue. If you HAD been reading, you would have seen that Mistress is going to Her Mobility Training classes, hell, She even taught Her puppy Shiloh to walk Her to the mailbox. If this is not the best way to use one’s energy productively, then I do not know what is.
Also, I have been reading your posts and it seems like you have been keeping a secret from us and the world. I didn’t realize I was speaking to Jesus Christ himself when I was posting here. Do not worry; I will not tell anyone, the media would be all over you. You must think you are something by learning: brail, mobility training, and mastering how to operate a cane in three days.
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joanus

BTW Smith Im a guy, and in the three days I was blind I memorized the Brail alphabet, mastered the cane, learned how to walk my apartment from one end to the other with out help, cane or other wise ( I never realized how much shit I left on the foor til I broke a few toes triping on every thing) And wipe my own ass with out the aid of eye sight.(which is tougher than it sounds).

I do not know why you are spending your time here when you could be being more productive, the genius you must be. Because the average person takes months, even years to learn how to do the things you learned in three days. What did you do on the fourth, rest? I mean come on; everyone can tell that the only person in here that is lying and bullshitting is You Joanus. There is no way that you did all of that in three days. And if you did, why haven’t you written a new book or started your own training program for the blind, I mean my God! You know how much money you could make, training people how to change their life in 3 days and to become fully functional human beings.  The reason why I know you are lying is because of the extensive training needed to become functional again. The Guide Dogs For The Blind program (www.guidedogs.com) has a training program needed for a person to handle their dogs which is as follows:
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As the largest school serving the United States and Canada, we are able to provide highly personalized training. The team spends up to 28 days learning to work together in a variety of real-life situations, from quiet country roads to busy metropolitan areas. The students learn to work their dogs in stores, restaurants and malls, and on all forms of public transportation. The class training is conducted by our licensed Guide Dog mobility instructors.

 
This is why I do not believe you, because it takes EXTENSIVE training to utilize mobility training in a safe manner. Of course, anyone can feel around and bump into things for three days until they realize where everything is, but try to do it in the middle of downtown Atlanta. 

 It is hard enough for handicapped people to adjust and cope to their new challenges without people like you putting them down about everything because they are not as perfect as you. <walks over and rips your wings and halo off> You are not Jesus and you are not perfect, in fact you are far from it. You have a bad case of arrogance, which comes along with being so young; I know what I am talking about because that same arrogance got me in trouble with my Mistress.

I mean come on, look at what you said in your journal joanus,
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11/12/2007 2:05:30 PM: Well  sunday was my birthday and to all of those of you who wished me a happybirthday thank, but since none of you guys (with the exeption of Mystress_Pryncess and Kirren on Collarme.com wished me shit, you can go fornacate your selves with flameing hot iron sticks.


What kind of attitude is that for a collared slave to openly display? I wonder if your Dominant knows how you talk to people on here, because the way you post reflects your Dominant and Her training of you. And for a person who is 21 and is avid in their posts, it might be a good recommendation to think about using spell check, it helps to make your point stand out as if you know what you are talking about a little bit better.

Take your time to rethink how you have been posting on this thread, because we cannot jump inside your head to see what you were trying to say, you have to make it as plain as can be. Because when you leave your own words for people to make assumptions, they might take it in a way in which makes you look like an ass.

Now with that rant being over, I do agree with what you said joanus about never giving up and stating that a person CAN do things. The old trick of mind over matter works, because a person can do anything you put your mind to.




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/7/2008 11:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pupofMoGa

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Feel better now, dear?

Seriously, I admire your loyalty and your thoroughness. You said clearly things I had only half-formed in my feeble elderly brain. And I pride myself on my communications skills.




KatyLied -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 12:51:53 AM)

Stephen Hawking has ALS.  He is alive.

He talks about the onset here






LadyHathor -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 4:55:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

MoGa, first of all i must apologize because i'm about to hi-jack Your thread a little bit.....So, my apologies in advance....

WTF is wrong with us??? i mean really??!! What is it about us that we love and get off on criticising, tearing apart, and degrading other people? Where's the fucking humanity in that??!!  i don't understand this world we live in....Really i don't...So many times, i feel like i don't belong in this world because i just can't get it...i remember when i was doing my undergraduate work and i had this class and my instructor was trying to teach us why jewish people were 'supposedly' different.....i couldn't get it...Seriously, i just couldn't fucking get it...i felt like a dumb ass, but i couldn't get it...Finally one day in class she looked at me and said, "ya know *****, the fact that You are unable to comprehend this topic speaks volumes about you."
How hard is it to extend a person some support, some care, some concern??? How difficult is it really to stop and think, "hmm...How would i want to be treated if i were in their position?" WTF is wrong with us??!!...

.... Can You imagine if just for one day, You went out of Your way and were nice to three people without any expectation of  getting anything in return??

Again, i apologize MoGa...i'm not sure if it's the results of the accident or the anniversary of my dad's death but i seem to be a bit fucked up today....My apologies.




How well stated and yet how sad---that the norm is so skewed an apology has to be rendered for trying to get people to be ...human... well what humans are supposed to be.
 
Sadly, what I see here are disabled people--
 
Those with eyes that will not see, those with ears that will not hear, those with arms that do not reach , those with legs that will not take a step. Handicaps of the human spirit.
 
I also see the alter abled--those that have physical limitations that have triumped and continue--
 
 
Having a limitation does not preclude one even in the midst of successes from feeling human emotions, anger, despair, sorrow, sadness, --  and  yet the incidences of suicide among the handicapped are far lower than the non hanidcapped--hmmm wonder why that is?  And yet they are not allowed while those of us with none, wallow in our self pity--or point always outward with "you should, you should not, do this, or don't do that"
 
I am not here to defend MoGA or EvilGenie, or camille, I don't need to and they sure don't want Me to--
 
I am here to say, as long as we point that finger outward, we are far more handicapped than any physical limitation.
 
"let me not curse the darkness until I have lighted one candle"
 
 
 
 
 





pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:00:08 AM)

KatyLied,

I noticed when i had posted that i mentioned Stephen Hawking in a bit of an awkward manner, i wasnt saying he had passed away, just a slight type-o on my part. Thank you for catching that. The website i got my information from must have been wrong, thank you for providing te correct information. No matter how much of a good researcher i may be, i still get caught once and a while using sources which are not correct.

Before anyone else brings up the topic of Hawking, please go to the link provided to KatyLied it has excelent information on how his life was affected by ALS and how long it took him to overcome the difficulty of knowing his life was never going to be the same.




pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:07:30 AM)

Thank you Subbie for the compliment. I too pride myself on my communication skills and am lucky because i will need them to live off of as i become a teacher.

As for my loyality, i would do anything to protect my Mistress. I love Her and cant stand to see Her in pain. She is my life and my one true love and if it takes me putting myself in harm's way, then i will be there in a flash. Nothing pleases me more than to see a smile on Mistress's face and know that i was the one who put it there.





camille65 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:11:30 AM)

One of the most wonderful things I've ever seen was a video of Hawking in zero gee. The look of pleasure and astonishment on his face was just.. wow.




angelikaJ -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:20:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

BTW Smith Im a guy, and in the three days I was blind I memorized the Brail alphabet, mastered the cane, learned how to walk my apartment from one end to the other with out help, cane or other wise ( I never realized how much shit I left on the foor til I broke a few toes triping on every thing) And wipe my own ass with out the aid of eye sight.(which is tougher than it sounds) 


joanus... had you used the cane you would not have broken your toes.

I am glad you regained your sight.
Someday you will likely reach another perspective and realise that no one could master all those things in 3 days...but your attempt to do so says a lot about you.
<smiles>
Think about the other end of it joanus...just how scared were you when you thought you would not be able to see again...or had the reality of it not sunk in before you were able to see again?
I think when you can begin to look past your own judgements you will find you gain something every bit as valuable as your sight...you will have vision.

aJ





Sasy -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:23:17 AM)

Handicaps come in so many forms .... I have recently  been diagnosed with  three forms of arthritis. I proablly knew it for a year and a half as I have watched my limitations grow. I am now tho if full denial since the actual diagnosis. Which at times makes me feel angry at the world. My hair is near to my ass ... some mornings I cant brush it .... the brush sails across the room and I cry. Then I  go  get the brush and try again. The thing about all this is I have a friend ... she is 76 She has reaaaaaaaalllly  bad arthritis and multiple heart problems and still rarely complains. Disablities in any form ar what we make of them. the sad part being is the ones around here that lay in wait to attack someone for what they think they read. Which makes their handicap MUCH worse because it is one of the heart ...  Blacken Heart as I call it .... and there is no  known cure for that. Canes , meds, wheel chairs and strong wills can *fix* ( by that  I mean we learn to  live with it) there aint no fix for mean unhappy asshol**




angelikaJ -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:25:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

One of the most wonderful things I've ever seen was a video of Hawking in zero gee. The look of pleasure and astonishment on his face was just.. wow.


Yes
Wow!




joanus -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:39:14 AM)

I'm not down on Handicaped people, just those who use it as and excuse. Life is not fair, and it loves to kick you when your down.

And BTW she did say that she couldn't walk up and down stairs because of her blindness:


Me: But I have no choice but to live on the bottom floor, since I can't see! So I am left with no option but to rent a bottom level floor and I am being forced to pay higher rent.
 
Trust me pal, Im not stupid. And most of the "well she has this, and that and it makes it hard for her to...." crap falls on deaf ears with me. I live in a state full of losers you have multiple problems that keep them from being about to work, but not stop them from traveling to over 500miles to sit in the heat and watch NASCAR all day.
 
Let me give you a few examples of just how far much you can overcome with only a little determination.
A friend of mine was in a car crash, and because he was not wearing a seat belt(they put those in cars for a reason) he was thrown out the window. His spine was broken and one of his vertabrey was completely shattered. He was lucky to be alive, and acording to the doctors he wouldn't walk ever again. One year later he was the third best weight lifter in our school.
Last May I was shot in the chest 9 times and boint blank range with a 9mm. I spent a week in ICU and another three months in the hospital. That would have killed a normal man, and learning to walk again was no cake walk either.
 
There are thosands of peolpe in this world that have over come things much worse that blindness.
The Human being is remarkable animal it can survive, over come and adapt to any thing.
 
"Its not your body that is weak, its your mind."             ~Grandfahter Sune





KatyLied -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 5:46:21 AM)

Well, I still find it insulting in the extreme that someone would suggest temporary blindness or putting on a blindfold and experimenting as a way of understanding what the blind go through.  All I can say to that is WTF are you thinking?




vampiresscammy -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 6:55:45 AM)

(so hijacking here, excuse this post to those who mind)

((((((MoGa))))) - i just needed to say how much you remind me of my late wifey mistress of my heart, she was similarly dealt with onset blindness in the last couple years of her life, and had plenty of spirit to not let it stop her, tho she had a terrible transition and moments of bad thoughts. i may not know you well personally, but from your posts you seem a strong spirit as well, may it help you in all you find yourself battling by choice or chance. you have a lovely spirit. it warms my heart, and gives me a tiny sadness to meet another soul so full of life. and if i may, your pup is truly wonderful.




EvilGenie -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 8:33:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

Among the disabled community, those who are not disabled are referred to as TAB - Temporarily Able-Bodied.

And please don't use the PC term "Differently Abled" when referring to someone who is disabled. We aren't offended by a term which describes us accurately. Each of us, disabled or TAB, has different abilities, so the "Differently Abled" tag just sounds condescending.

>>edited to add: i have not seen the DA term used in this thread, for which I thank all the posters.<<


and don't you just love the handicapable one as well? Makes me want to punch out whoever first coined that beloved term.




MissHarlet -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 8:56:10 AM)

Good morning everyone....... Im amazed at how many of us in the BDSM community have health issues that we live with day in and day out.  In a community that supposedly prides itself on being non judgemental .. and yes I did say supposedly.... it amazes me that the judgement and condemnation is still rampart. 
Somehow we became ... lazy and less intelligent and whiney and looking for a handout the minute we could not perform to someone elses standards.... and then there is the infamous " but you dont look sick" .......Somewhere along the line we became people who no longer try their hardest to find what works best for ourselves.... and  " give up " because those that arent disabled know more about what we can and cannot do  than we do.

As if we didnt have enough to deal with learning to adjust our lives and to remain as strong and productive as possible and as independant as possible.  We are still worthy of respect.... worthy of love ..... and as intelligent ... as honorable ....and as trustworthy as we were before we became challenged by whatever the universe has thrown our way.

We dont ask for or expect special treatment..... we do expect the same respect you would give anyone else. We do expect recognition that we are intelligent. We do expect emotional support from family and friends... and we expect all of the above because we are giving it to those around us .. disabled or not.  We havent become less careing ... less supportive to others ... less loving .....we are still exactly who we were before we were given these challenges ...

We have to make adjustments to our way of living ... but not to who we are.





YourhandMyAss -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 9:11:31 AM)

Hell I'd bare my teeth too. that was an incredibly mean and rude post but I am not supprised, he has a track record of being a shit , and it's an insult to imply that since you're online you can obviously manage stairs.


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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

I love it when you bear your teeth, and such lovely teeth you have too. Thakn you my love. You are a good boy! <Covers her pup's face with lil kisses>




angelikaJ -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/8/2008 9:19:22 AM)

A few thoughts on what MissHarlet eloquently said...

I wonder about where compassion goes when the minute someone asks for help or advice... and is met with the perception of that as being whining.

Everyone here has their own stuff to deal with.
Some people to chose to deal with the trials in their own lives privately and that is certainly their valid option.
Some of us seek the opinion of the community that makes up these boards...that is no less a valid option.

Personally I like it when people are willing to share their experience strength and hope.
I don't have to be in some one's exact situation to be moved or inspired by their sharing about their human experience.

Thanks to those of you who have so moved me.

aJ






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