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kittinSol -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:12:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ....seems to me that some people wish to define our differences over our similarities.....hence the bitch/jackass dichotomy......basically it's all the same, some people are just, er, arseholes, regardless of gender. How do we kill assholeness?

philosophy -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:16:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan Thank you for articulating my sentiments far better than I could, Philo. ...pffft, i'm just 8 hours behind you time zone wise.......

philosophy -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:18:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ....seems to me that some people wish to define our differences over our similarities.....hence the bitch/jackass dichotomy......basically it's all the same, some people are just, er, arseholes, regardless of gender. How do we kill assholeness? ....medicated toilet paper?

kittinSol -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:20:02 PM)
Huh... well, you can try... I'll stand back and watch [&:].

philosophy -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:22:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Huh... well, you can try... I'll stand back and watch [&:]. ......sod that, for that affliction its strictly a self medication thing.......[:D]

MissMorrigan -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:24:23 PM)
I was having a conversation with a friend earlier today who was having her own mini-rant about the injustices of others' actions, especially when she felt an injustice had occurred to her. The situation was a typical 'he said/she said' scenario with each wanting the validation of righteousness. I also like people who don't sugar coat what needs to be said, but there's a distinct difference between doing that and having the atittude that it's fine to be outright unpleasant towards others and the only advice I could give her was, "If you don't want to become a willing participant, don't validate it." And I do think Izal is a good cure!

MissMorrigan -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:25:28 PM)
Were you flatulating your sentiments, Philo? [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ...pffft

kittinSol -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:33:16 PM)
Yes. There is a world of difference between strongly worded disagreement and outright unpleasantness, rudeness, assholeness (which I fear I may have exhibited towards you recently, MissMorrigan, and I apologise for that). I find humour is great at defusing charged situations... if one still has the energy for it, goes without saying. And humour doesn't work with twue assholes (they don't get it).

laurell3 -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 9:45:41 PM)
FR: Ignoring the drama, this is an interesting subject that was brought up lately by one of my collegues who is black and female in a role that was traditionally male. She believed that women approach her differently because she is female. However, when we started discussing people that she thought were doing this, a few we identified by the way they treated male black collegues could be racist and others actually seemed to be just as abrasive with men. I can say personally, in real life, I am less likely to consider women someone I would need to compete with and more likely to believe that we can compromise successfully than the average male I deal with. Then again, I am very unlike my female friends in the way I view things as is often pointed out to me, so that may make a difference. The majority of my friends that are female are very strong and successful women, the thought of not relishing in their accomplishments and entering into some competition with them seems ridiculous to me. I don't compete for men or women's affections period. Someone either likes me or doesn't, competing implies you can control whom they chose or how they feel, and you can't nor would I want to or think it would make for a successful relationship. Jealousy is also not something I am likely to be prone to, which from what I'm told that isn't that common. I think the truth is that women attach the word "bitch" to those they are intimidated by more often than I truly believe the woman is really a "bitch" intentionally. Women also tend to attach this label to other females that don't behave in a stereotypically female fashion. I find that odd and unsettling, personally. I do believe that overall women are harder on each other than men are to each other, but honestly none of these thoughts has much control over how I live my life and in real life, amongst the women I know I am much more likely (with a few notable exceptions) to take a woman aside and say hey what's up you seem upset today than I would a man whom I would just consider an ass. Then again, I have a bit more perspective on what the women around me encounter on a daily basis I guess.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:10:53 PM)
Thank you for the apology, it is a very nice gesture and appreciated although I have to say I didn't personally feel you were being anything more than a person who felt strongly about her view/s. I think sometimes (It has been known!) that often the typed word lacks the inflections we'd place in our every day speech and therefore can be seen in a different light (I sometimes have difficulty articulating my thoughts also). For example: Her: Nah, you're wrong. Me: That's your viewpoint, of which you're entitled, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I am. We simply have opposing viewpoints. Her: Fine, it is MY viewpoint that you are wrong. Better now, get it? Often, with people that engage one another online, they feel territorial over their comments and engage in behaviour that I can only liken to virtual chess insofar as it is important for them to strategically dominate their position on forums such as the ones here on CM - it's no different on IC or B.com either. Debating is a natural talent that some people either understand or they don't, and I think that when a person resorts to personal slights they've lost their advantage. In the above example, I could reply with soemthing like, "Yes, I get that we have opposing viewpoints, I find yours interesting but we're going to have to agree to differ here" but if I choose to respond in kind and opt for something more acerbic, I weaken any kind of point I was trying to make initially as people will be less inclined to listen to me. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Yes. There is a world of difference between strongly worded disagreement and outright unpleasantness, rudeness, assholeness (which I fear I may have exhibited towards you recently, MissMorrigan, and I apologise for that). I find humour is great at defusing charged situations... if one still has the energy for it, goes without saying. And humour doesn't work with twue assholes (they don't get it).

ForeverOwned -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:18:46 PM)
If you are confident, strong, intelligent and ok with yourself. Why in the world would you need to be bitchy to everyone? The world would be your oyster and people would flock to you for inspiration. There has to be more going on inside than meets the eye.

ForeverOwned -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:21:21 PM)
Hi, Miss Morrigan My reply was directed to everyone . It wasnt meant to respond just to your post.

sexyred1 -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:25:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan Thank you for the apology, it is a very nice gesture and appreciated although I have to say I didn't personally feel you were being anything more than a person who felt strongly about her view/s. I think sometimes (It has been known!) that often the typed word lacks the inflections we'd place in our every day speech and therefore can be seen in a different light (I sometimes have difficulty articulating my thoughts also). For example: Her: Nah, you're wrong. Me: That's your viewpoint, of which you're entitled, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I am. We simply have opposing viewpoints. Her: Fine, it is MY viewpoint that you are wrong. Better now, get it? Often, with people that engage one another online, they feel territorial over their comments and engage in behaviour that I can only liken to virtual chess insofar as it is important for them to strategically dominate their position on forums such as the ones here on CM - it's no different on IC or B.com either. Debating is a natural talent that some people either understand or they don't, and I think that when a person resorts to personal slights they've lost their advantage. In the above example, I could reply with soemthing like, "Yes, I get that we have opposing viewpoints, I find yours interesting but we're going to have to agree to differ here" but if I choose to respond in kind and opt for something more acerbic, I weaken any kind of point I was trying to make initially as people will be less inclined to listen to me. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Yes. There is a world of difference between strongly worded disagreement and outright unpleasantness, rudeness, assholeness (which I fear I may have exhibited towards you recently, MissMorrigan, and I apologise for that). I find humour is great at defusing charged situations... if one still has the energy for it, goes without saying. And humour doesn't work with twue assholes (they don't get it). LOL. I really think you have overanalyzed this. If you think that what goes on in this forum is intelligent debate, I would beg to differ. Once you are out in the real world involved in major business negotiations and actually having serious intellectual debates with intelligent and interesting people, then this forum chat is as important and deep as melting snowflakes.

sexyred1 -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ForeverOwned If you are confident, strong, intelligent and ok with yourself. Why in the world would you need to be bitchy to everyone? The world would be your oyster and people would flock to you for inspiration. There has to be more going on inside than meets the eye. I think you would do well to answer this question as it pertains to you.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:33:02 PM)
It's possible I have over-analysed this. However, people rarely share the views of someone whose self-aggrandisement is supported by their attempts at belittling those they see as 'insignificant'. People's success are measured in varying degrees and should only really be important to them. Let me ask you something, if debating something on these forums is unimportant/seemingly unintelligent (flotsom), why are you so territorial in defending your place on these boards? quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 LOL. I really think you have overanalyzed this. If you think that what goes on in this forum is intelligent debate, I would beg to differ. Once you are out in the real world involved in major business negotiations and actually having serious intellectual debates with intelligent and interesting people, then this forum chat is as important and deep as melting snowflakes.

CuriousLord -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:33:18 PM)
Just figure out why you act in such a manner and deal with it.

ForeverOwned -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:33:38 PM)
i don't understand your reply to me which i think i am very grateful for.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:35:05 PM)
Laurell, you make a lot of interesting points I'd like to respond to, but will have to come back later in the day as I need to kickstart my day. quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3

sexyred1 -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:47:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan It's possible I have over-analysed this. However, people rarely share the views of someone whose self-aggrandisement is supported by their attempts at belittling those they see as 'insignificant'. People's success are measured in varying degrees and should only really be important to them. Let me ask you something, if debating something on these forums is unimportant/seemingly unintelligent (flotsom), why are you so territorial in defending your place on these boards? Now, that is where you are mistaken in your terminology. I am not "territorial" which would connote this to mean that I think I have territorial rights over the board, which I do not. If your definition of "territorial" means that one is not allowed to express a different opinion than the masses, then your definition and mine differ. I also find it interesting that you are singleing me out for the aggressive words that have passed through this thread. If you took as much time to read through the thread and see that in this case, I simply stated an opposing viewpoint, which is my right and then, I was attacked for it. *But territorial about defending my place on these boards??? Are you serious? I have a place on any board I choose, I don't need any defending of that right.* *And, just like I sometimes watch reality TV for entertainment, posting on these boards is a similar activity, ranking low in importance.* *So hopefully I have clarified things a bit.* quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 LOL. I really think you have overanalyzed this. If you think that what goes on in this forum is intelligent debate, I would beg to differ. Once you are out in the real world involved in major business negotiations and actually having serious intellectual debates with intelligent and interesting people, then this forum chat is as important and deep as melting snowflakes.

MissMagnolia -> RE: Are women born to be bitches? (2/5/2008 10:48:04 PM)
Synopsis for those of us, well me, who hasn't read the whole thread? Because I'm terribly busy and important.[:D]

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