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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:16:34 AM

MissSCD

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Why do you all think it would be such a catastrophe if Hillary and Obama won the election?
I think it would be a disaster is McCain won it.
Are you all so afraid of someone who is unlike yourself that you cannot vote for them because of their race or gender? That is what is going on, and yes it is going to be a dilly of an election.

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:17:30 AM

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McCain is a moderate. Hillary or Obama will have a very hard time beating him in November. Thats the good news for the Republicans.

Good news for the country. Billary or Obama would be a catastrophe as President.

What do you have against peace,prosperity and a growing middle class?

The markets took their biggest loss in years yesterday,and it`s official,we`re in a recession.In some parts of the country,they`re in an economic depression.

Anyone who`s elected is going to do better,we can only go up from here.Laura could do a better job.

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:21:49 AM

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Are you all so afraid of someone who is unlike yourself that you cannot vote for them because of their race or gender?

I'd never vote for somebody because of their race or gender. I think it'd be great to have an African American President. I think it'd be great to have a Female President. That being said, I'm not going to throw my personal values out the window to vote for somebody over something they can't even control.

DV's Fox

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:29:54 AM

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not splitting this is how erections are done,

Obama is my 2nd choice after Ron PAUL- who got no mention on super duper dildo tuesday,

if he is out by 3-24 ill re-register to vote so i can on 4-22.

this is how erections are done,

Ah PAhunk,..I knew someone would go for the cheap laughs.

But you?

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:52:22 AM

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Can anyone explain to me what is meant by "Clinton and Obama neck and neck"? Does it mean they parked up somewhere secluded?

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:53:04 AM

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They need to realize it is McCain or someone even more left… A DEMOCRAT!

Lin

McCain pretty much IS a Democrat, in all but name.

I call him a RINO.

And, yes, he's likely to get nominated, and if he runs against Hillary, likely to win, just because he'll steal so much of her base, and most Republicans will vote for him by default.

Firm

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 8:55:53 AM

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I dont think he has the glimmer of a chance Firm. We are so out of that toilet of an Iraq.......anyone who says we are going to stay there just aint getting it.

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:00:02 AM

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Dunno, Ron.

I don't think Iraq is really that big of an election issue, right now.

And if it keeps "getting better" over there, it might certainly become a positive for McCain.

The single issue "antis" wouldn't vote for anyone except Obama (or maybe Paul), so if Obama doesn't beat Hillary in the primaries ....

Firm

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:00:38 AM

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Right. But in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve. Girls and boys, vote wisely. I'll just stand by the wayside and pray :-).

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:04:00 AM

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I think Lin has made a bunch of good points.

King George got in because he energized the evangelicals by speaking their language. McCain doesn't and hence, these votes are going to evaporate for him. The only one who'd get them is Huckabee, and he's got no shot in a general election. Bear in mind that evangelicals, prior to King George, generally just didn't vote. Romney's not picking up enough support at this point, which means it's coming down to McCain. And contrary to most political pundits, I haven't seen veeps make a heck of a lot of difference in an election- although I suspect that they can lose votes. People don't vote for a candidate because they like his/her veep, but they might vote against them if they really can't stand their veep. A McCain/Huckabee ticket is a disaster- it's not going to get the evangelicals vote out, but it will alienate most of the country. Heck, Hillary could probably win against that one.

I'm hoping it comes to an Obama ticket. Hillary wants the job desperately- I suspect to show the world that even though her husband cheated on her, she's still worth something. It's a very similar drive as King George, who desperately wanted to show his daddy that yup, he was shure smart too! I'd worry that she'd be a lousy president for the same reasons as King George- she's got a temper, she holds a grudge, and unlike George-apparently in a one on one situation isn't very likable. Her only main advantage is that she's smarter.

For the same reasons that a McCain/Huckabee ticket doesn't work, an Obama/Hillary ticket doesn't work either. Obama's best bet would be to tap one of the Senate warhorses like Biden or Dodd- somebody who can claim to have more experience than Hillary in getting things done. Why did Kennedy tap Johnson?

Sam

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:11:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Dunno, Ron.

I don't think Iraq is really that big of an election issue, right now.

And if it keeps "getting better" over there, it might certainly become a positive for McCain.

The single issue "antis" wouldn't vote for anyone except Obama (or maybe Paul), so if Obama doesn't beat Hillary in the primaries ....

Firm

I am thinking that Bush poisoned the well for the whole Republican party and you are going to see a hell of a well of resentment against them.

Ron

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:15:17 AM

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Why did Kennedy tap Johnson?

Sam

For the very reason you annul. Southern vote of conservative democrats (and snag a few republican/independants) Goldwater was seen as a scarey motherfucker, them days. Nixon (and I think history bears this out, was seen as a fucking greasy turd)

Ron

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:22:43 AM

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I am thinking that Bush poisoned the well for the whole Republican party and you are going to see a hell of a well of resentment against them.

I think Bush poisoned the well for ... Bush.

While the Dems did do better than the Repubs during the off elections ... they didn't do that much better ... and that was at the height of the insurgency.

Check the polls. Iraq/the war isn't a burning issue for most people. Just the true believers on either side.

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:27:49 AM

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Firmhand, do you twuly believe the electorate won't be influenced by the actions of Bush, the Republican, and that there won't be a vote of retaliation against the Republican party?

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:42:28 AM

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Here is a prediction… I hope I am wrong!!

I think right now the Iraqi insurgents are well a where of the implications of the upcoming election. They will have an all in offensive right before the election in hopes they will sway the vote to the democrats.

If they do not plan this then they are stupid or incapable…either way they are then defeated.

Butch

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:56:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

not splitting this is how erections are done,

Obama is my 2nd choice after Ron PAUL- who got no mention on super duper dildo tuesday,

if he is out by 3-24 ill re-register to vote so i can on 4-22.

this is how erections are done,

Ah PAhunk,..I knew someone would go for the cheap laughs.

But you?

Despite being the "typo king of casual banter" this typo was on purpose so as to hint that we the people get fkked.

Im discusted to see Romney pushing for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, none of these get it, it is about putting food on the table. here we go with distractions- which always keep us a few steps from ever skinning the [fat] cat.

key words-> distraction, food on table

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 9:56:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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I am thinking that Bush poisoned the well for the whole Republican party and you are going to see a hell of a well of resentment against them.

I think Bush poisoned the well for ... Bush.

While the Dems did do better than the Repubs during the off elections ... they didn't do that much better ... and that was at the height of the insurgency.

Check the polls. Iraq/the war isn't a burning issue for most people. Just the true believers on either side.

Firm

I think there will most certainly be a backlash against Republicans because of Bush, things in general and just history shows us this but the backlash could very well not be as severe as it could have been. The economy appears to have taken over issues number one over the war and the general hatred for Bush’s lack of respect for the constitution and it is probably not going to change by the time November rolls around.

Things are always close in these elections. But money going to the parties has always been a good trend, like it or not. 2006 was the first time in years Democrats raised more money then Republicans and that gap has grown substantially since.

Americans are not stupid it just takes us awhile to catch on. The point at a Democrat and scream in fear along with the normal smear campaign is just not effective as it has been. Same thing with the economy issue, it is not going to be an automatic issue that favors Republicans.

In a down economy people just want change. Electing Republicans to give tax cuts to the rich and say it will trickle down and have them skyrocket the deficit will be perceived as not working so let’s try the other guys.

Republicans need to try a different strategy then if you vote for a Democrat the sky will fall. It is worn out and historically not true.

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 11:06:15 AM

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McCain should retire.
There are more Independant voters out here than Dems and Repubs combined.
I don't think he's going to get a lot of Independant votes after calling us "racists" last year for being against his and Kennedy's AMNESTY.
Don't you just love it when "senators" berate the American People because the govt's not doing it's job?
Suuuuuure, I want war with Syria and Iraq, don't you?
Suuuuuure, I want to give U.S. Citizenship to 20 million illegal alien criminals, don't you?
Let's give them Cadillacs too!
Suuuuuuuure, I want to keep exporting jobs overseas until everyone's making $8 an hour, don't you?
Suuuuuure, I want to keep spending $75B a year in Iraq for four more years, don't you? We can just borrow it from the Chinese and hand over most of it to Haliburton!
Oh, and suuuuuuuuure, all those Romney voters will vote for McCain! lol
It's going to be fun watching McCain trying to get back all the voters he alienated!
He burned a LOT of bridges.
Think he'll be pushing for AMNESTY?

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 11:16:01 AM

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Firmhand, do you twuly believe the electorate won't be influenced by the actions of Bush, the Republican, and that there won't be a vote of retaliation against the Republican party?

Overall, no, there won't be a "vote of retaliation" against the Republican party over the Iraq war issue.

Sure, you will find some people who will say that they are voting as "backlash", but I suspect no more than in any other election. The 1/3-1/3-1/3 rule applies.

No, if the Republicans lose the Presidential election, it won't because of any backlash from the war. It'll be because we allowed someone like McCain to be our candidate.

There is a very ... VERY large measure of dissatisfaction "over here" with McCain. He's more liberal than Hillary is.

I've said before that I might vote for her, under the right circumstances. Looks like the right circumstances are shaping up.

And I'm not the only one:

Ann Coulter says she would campaign for Hillary, if McCain is the Republican nomine.

Firm

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RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? - 2/6/2008 11:19:18 AM

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Things are always close in these elections. But money going to the parties has always been a good trend, like it or not. 2006 was the first time in years Democrats raised more money then Republicans and that gap has grown substantially since.

Courtesy of McCain-Feingold.

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ORIGINAL: toservez

Republicans need to try a different strategy then if you vote for a Democrat the sky will fall. It is worn out and historically not true.

Democrats need to try a different strategy then if you vote for a Republican the sky will fall. It is worn out and historically not true.

Firm

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