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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Kali my friend.  Remember what I said here.  Print it out and tape it to your bathroom mirror. 

Just show them your sword and the severed head you carry.  Be strong, be proud.

Cali

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

Why would insurance cover an eating plan? Do you not regularly go to the store and buy groceries?

hm..Honestly, not very often...Why? Because the shame, guilt and looks of horror i get from people as i'm purchasing groceries fuck me up...so frankly, i try to stay away from the grocery store...My personal best of not eating is 12 days....

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ORIGINAL: Smith117
Here again, why does it take money to exercise? Millions do it for free everyday. There's running, swimming, pushups, sit ups, walking, basketball, tennis, etc, etc. Why do any of these have to cost money beyond purchase of the clothing to wear and the racquets or balls used to participate?

Actually it doesn't cost me anything to exercise...i do it for free...But, my question was more about the fact that all of these insurance companies who are soooo willing to cover all of these "obesity" surgeries are the same ones turning down requests for similar programs...Requests, in my mind, that would produce more long term results..

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Nat, I know, there's always a heavy emphasis on "medical reasons".
That's the "out", "it's not my fault" it's always some sort of "medical problem."

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I guess there's been an absolute explosion of thyroid problems in the last 30-50 years. How come we never had all these problems in the 1950's and 60's?
Is it an epidemic?

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People should stop complaining and get up off their ample arses open the door and go for a walk!
"But my hips hurt if I walk more than 500 feet."
"I get out of breath when I walk."
"But it's raining!"
"But...."
"But,..."
"But,..."

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Well, I think part of it is ignorance/wonderment. Folks without weight issues cannot relate to those with them.

For instance recently there was the weight thread that got pulled. The OP had a weight clause with her master about not gaining 15 llbs. The issue was whether it was fair to contain one's weight under that threshold.

In my case, 15 llbs is a non issue. At most I worry about gaining to 2-5 llbs. So, I could not personally relate to the OP.

It pretty much excludes me from giving her good advice or having any empathy for her situation. There is a temptation to get prescriptive about what to do, but I've learned here not to do that, because no matter how well intentioned I might be, I come off as obnoxious.

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ORIGINAL: SirRober
The navy is kicking me out since I am overweight, and the progam that I had to goto everyday for 6 mos made me gain 20 lbs of muscle. and all of the measurements stayed the same.   

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ORIGINAL: Nats

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Nat, I know, there's always a heavy emphasis on "medical reasons".
That's the "out", "it's not my fault" it's always some sort of "medical problem."

Popeye, are you deliberately being obtuse? Taking the piss? Do you honestly believe that there are no valid medical reasons for being overweight, and that in all cases it is the fault of the person?  Let me guess, you also believe that schizophrenia, depression, and other forms of mental illness couldn't possibly be due to chemical imbalances.

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I guess there's been an absolute explosion of thyroid problems in the last 30-50 years. How come we never had all these problems in the 1950's and 60's?
Is it an epidemic?

I have no idea what the reasons may be. I'd sure like to know though. I'd also love to know why there has been a huge increase in those with asthma over the years. [sarcasm]Perhaps those that have a form of exertion asthma should quit using medication and start doing more strenuous workouts to get their bodies in better shape. [/sarcasm]

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People should stop complaining and get up off their ample arses open the door and go for a walk!
"But my hips hurt if I walk more than 500 feet."
"I get out of breath when I walk."
"But it's raining!"
"But...."
"But,..."
"But,..."

Now I know you're being obtuse. That or you really didn't bother reading what I wrote. I have mini gym at home with quite a few pieces of equipment. I worked out for a couple of hours a day, ate salads, and still gained weight due to my thyroid. Even at the height of my weight gain, I'd bet my left tit that if you and I were to go biking, hiking, running etc., that you couldn't have kept up with me, wouldn't have lasted as long as me, and were winded far before I was... and the next day, it wouldn't have been me that was sore from a strenuous workout.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Here is a good question: Many people that are fat, use an excuse that it is a medical condition, when in fact it is not. Doesn't this anger those that actually have medical conditions that make it more difficult to control their weight?

I believe what Popeye is getting at, is that many people with weight problems want to point to a valid reason as to why they are overweight, when sometimes it is a lie or an excuse to just not work harder.

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ORIGINAL: Nats
Popeye, are you deliberately being obtuse? Taking the piss? Do you honestly believe that there are no valid medical reasons for being overweight, and that in all cases it is the fault of the person?  Let me guess, you also believe that schizophrenia, depression, and other forms of mental illness couldn't possibly be due to chemical imbalances.

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ORIGINAL: Nats
I have no idea what the reasons may be. I'd sure like to know though. I'd also love to know why there has been a huge increase in those with asthma over the years. [sarcasm]Perhaps those that have a form of exertion asthma should quit using medication and start doing more strenuous workouts to get their bodies in better shape. [/sarcasm]

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ORIGINAL: Nats
Now I know you're being obtuse. That or you really didn't bother reading what I wrote. I have mini gym at home with quite a few pieces of equipment. I worked out for a couple of hours a day, ate salads, and still gained weight due to my thyroid. Even at the height of my weight gain, I'd bet my left tit that if you and I were to go biking, hiking, running etc., that you couldn't have kept up with me, wouldn't have lasted as long as me, and were winded far before I was... and the next day, it wouldn't have been me that was sore from a strenuous workout.

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ORIGINAL: Taintedblood

If someone wants to lose weight make sure you do it for you not society, not a friend, not a lover etc – ultimately if it isn’t for you –you wont be happy.

I am going to lose my weight for me and no-one else, I don’t like my weight but I like what I see in the mirror, I’m never going to be a uk size 8 nor do I want to be, I’ve noticed that when I lose weight I don’t lose much off my boobs so even if I wanted to be I couldn’t.

(this is only my musings, my rambling thoughts my opinions – when I say you it isn’t directed at anyone at all and hope I don’t offend anyone)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
There are exceptions, perhaps you are one of those exceptions, but you cannot surely fail to see that the majority of obesity is caused by storing too many calories and not expending enough to create a weight loss. The more a person weighs, the less inclined they are to exercise, why? It's a lot of effort and peopel that are obese tire quickly.

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That may well be sarcasm, however, rising asthma levels are attributed to a number of factors, one of which is an increase in OBESITY.

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If there's a genuine medical condition causing the excess weight then a person has no need to be overly-sensitive.

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ORIGINAL: Aubre

I would be nice if some of the non-fat folks would take the time, when you are going to and fro in your day, and you see a fat person coming your way that you don't know - give them a smile. Or at least look at them the same way you look at other people. If you have a fat friend. let them know that you care.

How can people who are large be treated as if they were invisible?