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Tslaveboy -> Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 5:36:31 AM)
I have some playmates who are Dommes and occasionally we do forced bi. It's a lot of fun but the question has come up, "does that make me a bisexual?" Honestly I don't consider myself bisexual and I know people think that if there is sexual contact between two men, it's "like...duh!" bisexual. But to me it doesn't feel bisexual at all. I just want to hear other thoughts.

Faeorie -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 5:56:38 AM)
I had the same kind of problem at one time, wondering if I was bisecual or not. The thing was, I was sexually attracted to males and females. The only limit with females is that I hated pussy. Just did NOT want to go there for some reason. I had friends tell me "well if you won't go down on a chick, then you're not bi." Still, in my opinion I'm bi. I've played with a girl before and enjoyed it, but I've only dated guys before. Not really cuz they were guys, but because they were people I connected with. I see sexual orientation as connected to attraction. If you are attracted to men and women, then you are bi. If you enjoy playing with other men once in a while, but don't necessarily find guys attractive then you're not bi. Still, I don't like the sexuality labels, because when it comes down to loving somebody, sexuality doesn't matter. All that matters are your feelings for that person and vice versa.

toservez -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 6:13:06 AM)
Force Bi does not make you Bi. Enjoying the experience because of the power aspect of being “forced” does not make you Bi it is you enjoy someone actively using power over you. You are Bi if on some level you enjoy/attracted to the same sex in some way. There is a wide variety of what degree someone can be Bi from very specific feeling or action to forming complete monogamous relationships with either gender.

AtlantaMistress -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 6:32:18 AM)
I have had several boys tell me this is their "ultimate fantasy" in regard to power exchange. Thy insist that they do not have any attraction to men at all, but the idea of being forced to suck a man's cock - to prove their devotion and loyalty to pleasing me is the ultimate in TPE. Honestly, when I first got into D/s, I asked the same question - and wondered if they really had bi-tendancies/fantasies that they just wanted to play out in a way that allowed them to sleep at night and seeing one guy go down on another did not in any way interest me. It wasn't until I had a sub that was hard to "break" to truly know he was submitting that I did a forced bi scene, and the power trip was phenomenal. Having someone do something they would NEVER otherwise do - and share that kind of intimate secret, has definitely proven to be much more than just a rationalization for a same sex sexual encounter.

Justme696 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 7:31:59 AM)
as "forced" is not forced as beeing raped.....I see forced bi sexuality as bi sexuality. If they really don't like it..they can have it as hard limit, not?

Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 7:35:14 AM)
I don't believe in forced bi-sexuality....it you have a dick in your mouth, and you are a man, you are bi Jeff

angelikaJ -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 7:39:26 AM)
Maybe not...maybe it can be mitigated by incentive. In the adult film industry there is much more $$ to be made in Male/Male gay porn. So much so, that straight performers have begun acting in them...in the business it is referred to as "gay for pay".

Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 7:43:46 AM)
I understand that in theory.......... but in reality?.....I must disagree. That implies that it is strictly a financial arrangement. I would say that you would only act if it was not uncomfortable. By definition Bi-sexuality means have sex with a man or a woman. Jeff

TotalState -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 7:46:19 AM)
Honestly, who cares? If you enjoy it (or love to hate it, in case of "forced bi"), who cares what label is attached to it? Personally, I'd say the bisexual label fits - there are, after all, varying degrees of bisexuality, and there is really no point in making homophobia feel bad about yourself. In the end, it's nobody's concern but yours and your partner's/partners'.

toservez -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 8:07:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Justme696 as "forced" is not forced as beeing raped.....I see forced bi sexuality as bi sexuality. If they really don't like it..they can have it as hard limit, not? In all honesty when filtered through the power exchange aspect it is quite on the hypocrisy side. Imagine if every submissive here listed all the things in general they do not like to do and called them hard limits. The lists would be huge and dominant after dominant would call them out as fakes. Imagine these same submissives then listed these things would not be hard limits if under the context of their relationship and in particular the appeal of the power manifestation and you would see these lists shrink to what we see normally. The if they do it must be is just too simple and draped in judgmental thoughts. It is the same as saying a woman who likes rape play would enjoy actually getting raped.

Shawn1066 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 8:37:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Faeorie IThe thing was, I was sexually attracted to males and females. The only limit with females is that I hated pussy. Just did NOT want to go there for some reason. I had friends tell me "well if you won't go down on a chick, then you're not bi." So, I guess straight guys who don't like to go down on their girlfriends aren't straight? I, personally, love doing it, but I could see somebody disliking it. Sexuality, in my opinion, is your attraction to people and not to acts. That being said, the "forced-bi" fantasy is, in my opinion, just a way for people who want to try bi acts to do it without having to say they're bisexual. After all, if it's forced, then they -clearly- didn't do it of their own free will and they're not bisexual. However, they consent to be "forced" so I'd say that they are indeed merely bisexual and love being guided by a woman through thier fantasies. Of course, I'm sure this particular kink varies like all the others do. There are likely some men who see a Mistress and hope she's just going to hook him up with various male partners. For all intents and purposes...she becomes a prop. Now, I'm also sure there's people who genuinely -aren't- bisexual and are comfortable enough to commit sex acts with men in order to please thier Mistress... I just don't think they're the majority. DV's Fox

Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 8:51:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: toservez The if they do it must be is just too simple and draped in judgmental thoughts. It is the same as saying a woman who likes rape play would enjoy actually getting raped. But is she truly couldn't stand it, then it could be a hard limit Jeff Jeff

toservez -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:02:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: toservez The if they do it must be is just too simple and draped in judgmental thoughts. It is the same as saying a woman who likes rape play would enjoy actually getting raped. But is she truly couldn't stand it, then it could be a hard limit Jeff Jeff WTF?

Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:03:38 AM)
I give up........huh? Did I misunderstand you? Jeff

glycerine -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:25:18 AM)
Does it really matter? I would consider myself to be bisexual since I do find women attractive and respond to them in a sexual way. However, I am in a strictly monagamous heterosexual relationship right now. Does that mean that I am only "part-time bi"? Bisexuality is just a label, and as we have already seen in this thread, it really is up to the individual to express their own personal definition of it. I would probably define 'forced' homosexual play as non-bisexual unless there was a physical attraction to members of both sexes. Many times submissives will consent to "forced" play to show loyalty. As AtlantaMistress pointed out, this is an example of a true show of devotion, doing something that you would otherwise never entertain thoughts about. This in no way makes them willing to have same-sex relations in a vanilla world. After consulting the oracle for a definition on 'bisexuality', (I just LOVE Google!), conflicting definitions popped up. Some will say it is what you feel; others what you do. So I guess you just pick one and go with it.

Nineveh -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:35:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff I don't believe in forced bi-sexuality....it you have a dick in your mouth, and you are a man, you are bi Jeff That definition may be useful to you, but it doesn't seem to me that it is likely to be useful to the OP. To me it is a spectrum, the man who wants to be forced to be bi, even though he is not attracted to men, may be more bi than the man who puts it as a hard limit, but he is still far less bi than the man who occasionally engages in drunken sex with men, and he is far less bi than the man who is openly and happily bi. In my opinion we all have a little bi in us, but someone who is close to one end of the spectrum or the other doesn't really have any use in calling themself bi. i would say someone who tolerates it for the power exchange aspects is straight. I know I consider myself straight even though I enjoy having power over men, and enjoy inflicting pain on them. I can easily see a situation where I would enjoy receiving oral from a man because of the power aspect of it. I see that as a Dominant corrolary to the OP's situation and don't consider myself Bi, even if another would.

Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:45:24 AM)
Ok... I can see your point. Frankly, bi. hetero, home, makes no difference to me. People should be what they want to be as much a possible. Like most things it comes down to how you define it. You and I can easily agree to disagree Jeff

laurell3 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:50:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff I don't believe in forced bi-sexuality....it you have a dick in your mouth, and you are a man, you are bi Jeff With all due respect Jefff (which in this case is quite a bit), I think you have to understand there's a big difference between getting enjoyment out of the service of doing something for another and doing it for yourself. If one acts with a partner of the same sex merely because of the desire of their D type and would not do it on their own, it is nowhere near the same as truly being bisexual. There are many things I would do for another that are not something I would seek out on my own, the fact that I will do them doesn't make them my preference. (having sex with the same sex isn't one of those for me, but that is how I started out doing so)

Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 9:58:43 AM)
Ok.....I am sure I bring my own preconceived notions to this. I will also say that I am looking at it from a strictly male point of view. I also answered rather dramatically and sarcasticly.....for my own amusement..:) Jeff and thanks I have great respect for you also

DommeKimberly -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:04:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: toservez Force Bi does not make you Bi. Enjoying the experience because of the power aspect of being “forced” does not make you Bi it is you enjoy someone actively using power over you. You are Bi if on some level you enjoy/attracted to the same sex in some way. There is a wide variety of what degree someone can be Bi from very specific feeling or action to forming complete monogamous relationships with either gender. I total agree with toserve.

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