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LadyPact -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:39:19 AM)

I absolutely agree with this.  There is a difference in someone who wouldn't seek it out on their own, and someone who would.  The former makes the experience just that much more intense, in My view.

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ORIGINAL: AtlantaMistress

I have had several boys tell me this is their "ultimate fantasy" in regard to power exchange. Thy insist that they do not have any attraction to men at all, but the idea of being forced to suck a man's cock - to prove their devotion and loyalty to pleasing me is the ultimate in TPE. Honestly, when I first got into D/s, I asked the same question - and wondered if they really had bi-tendancies/fantasies that they just wanted to play out in a way that allowed them to sleep at night and seeing one guy go down on another did not in any way interest me. It wasn't until I had a sub that was hard to "break" to truly know he was submitting that I did a forced bi scene, and the power trip was phenomenal. Having someone do something they would NEVER otherwise do - and share that kind of intimate secret, has definitely proven to be much more than just a rationalization for a same sex sexual encounter.

You really nailed it with this, laurell.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

With all due respect Jefff (which in this case is quite a bit), I think you have to understand there's a big difference between getting enjoyment out of the service of doing something for another and doing it for yourself.  If one acts with a partner of the same sex merely because of the desire of their D type and would not do it on their own, it is nowhere near the same as truly being bisexual.  There are many things I would do for another that are not something I would seek out on my own, the fact that I will do them doesn't make them my preference. (having sex with the same sex isn't one of those for me, but that is how I started out doing so)


It's a thread on m/m activity.  Did you guys really think I wasn't going to show up?



givingin -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:45:19 AM)

Personally there is more to be bisexual than just sex.  I don't consider someone that tries it, or that is forced into it, bisexual at that point.  There are other feelings of attraction associated with it, probably something like what you feel for the opposite sex. 

It comes down (I think) to whether you have those types of feelings and also that you enjoy the sex (not just because you have to have it).

That's only my opinion...but it works well for me.



Madame4a -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:47:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I understand that in theory.......... but in reality?.....I must disagree. That implies that  it is strictly a financial arrangement. I would say that you would only act if it was not uncomfortable. By definition Bi-sexuality means have sex with a man or a woman.

Jeff


Actually, in reality I would have to disagree with you- reality is not so absolute.. despite the labels.. bisexual, hetrosexual or homosexual -- its really not about sex.. sex is about a lot of things but sex can simply be about friction... and can easily be separated from orientation.

For me, my homosexuality is about other things.. its about my romantic, long term, I'm going to settle down relationships...

so no, I'm not at all bisexual... but I can and have had sex with men.. and enjoy it.. I am NOT going to marry one or have a romantic partner type relationship with one.. I'm a lesbian, homo... for EASE of others understanding me, I say I have a bisexual side (usually just my big toe) but I really don't believe that.. but there are people who think in real absolutes.. black and white, so I say that for them.. so they have a little ability to try and understand my sexuality

orientation is not so black and white but a whole lot more gray, if not a really long, complex, and detailed spectrum...

as to the original poster, nope, I don't think it makes you bisexual

AND more than anything, don't allow anyone else to decide your orientation...



mrscolden -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:49:49 AM)

"bi-sexual for his pleasure". i have no desire to have sexual relations with another woman but my master desires it. i will submit for his pleasure, not my own. i find the act distasteful and even repulsive but again, i "perform" with another woman solely for his pleasure. going down on a woman does not make me bi-sexual, it makes me a good slave.



laurell3 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:55:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Ok.....I am sure I bring my own  preconceived notions to this. I will  also say that I am looking at it from a strictly male point of view. I also answered rather dramatically and sarcasticly.....for my own amusement..:) 

Jeff

and thanks I have great respect for you also


Well not just a male point of view, but a nonsubmissive point of view.  I wasn't trying to be harsh on you Jefff, I know you probably can't personally understand doing something you really aren't interested in or even detest for someone else.  It is however, not uncommon to get joy out of doing something that you dislike because of the reaction of your partner and that alone.  It doesn't mean you like it any less, but it can mean they like it all the more because you are willing to go there for them.



Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 10:58:22 AM)

Once again...is all depends on how you define" bi-sexual"....this is a quickly googles qoute from " The Alliance"

A1. What is "bisexuality" anyway?
Bisexuality means sexual or romantic attraction or behavior directed towards some members of more than one sex.
seems simple right?.then they go on

A2. What is "a bisexual"?
A strict definition of a bisexual would be someone who has romantic and/or sexual relations with other people of more than one sex (though not necessarily at the same time - see section A8). However, since not everyone has necessarily had the opportunity to act on their sexual/romantic attractions, some people prefer a looser definition; for instance, that a bisexual is a person who - in their own estimation - feels potentially able to have such attraction. This could be anyone who has erotic, affectionate, or romantic feelings for, fantasies of, and/or experiences with both men and women. A bisexual may be more attracted to one sex than the other, attracted equally to both, or find people's sex unimportant (see section A7). The strength of their attractions to men and women may vary over time.

So to the OP.............be what you want..:)

Jeff


and to Laurell.. no harshness was felt on my part..:) or directed to anyone



LadyPact -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:11:17 AM)

Jeffff, you're messing with a perfectly good, happy time thought thread.

j/k, of course.



laurell3 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:13:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Jeffff, you're messing with a perfectly good, happy time thought thread.

j/k, of course.



lol no doubt....jefff this is a serious fantasy of mine...so stop messing with it! [8D]



Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:15:57 AM)

OK......geez.......someone............go down on someone, of the same sex....NOW!!

GoofyDom



LadyPact -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:17:47 AM)

Preferably male.



giveeverything -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:19:54 AM)

Just to reiterate what others have said... bisexual play does not a bisexual make.  For me, what is important is how somebody identifies.  If a woman who identifies as lesbian has sex with a man once or twice (and even enjoys it) does that make her bi?  I don't think so, not unless she chooses that identity. 



solvr70 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:29:29 AM)

i'm with AtlantaMistress and LadyPact on this.

being bi-sexual, to me Y/your mileage may vary, would mean you are attracted to members to the same sex. probably romaticly.

however, the variation of a Mistress having me take cock for Her, because it excites Her has elements of Power-Exchange (i would be doing it to please Her and that has a strong appeal) and some humiliation aspects to it (also of interest).

But....take the strong, insistant, Woman out of the picture, and it looses all interest and excitement.

my 2 cents.



MistressVnus -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 11:51:05 AM)

Thank you solvr.
You are the ONLY one, so far, that I have read on this thread that has "admitted" to participating in "forced-bi" (from the submissive/slave perspective) and offered a view from THAT perspective.  All the other views have been from the Mistresses or non-paticapatory males.
I see it more as a humiliation  and devotional act.  At least from my point of view.
However, that is not to say that after a while, one has not "normalized" this enough to actually start enjoying it after the social conditionings have been eroded a bit.  But it is different for each.  And, that is another thread.
I would like to hear more from those who "have" or "would like to" participate in forced-bi from the submissive/slave perspective and not so much the "speculation" of others.
Kudo's on your courage to step forth.



laurell3 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 12:38:46 PM)

As I stated above, the way I started having sex with the opposite sex, was by a forced bi situation at the request of my then Dom.  I'm not speculating, I literally did something that at the time I found distasteful for my then Dominant whom I was in love with and in an ltr.  I wasn't interested in it at all but he really really was and the reaction on his face made it well worth it. Not only was it my first time with a woman, it was 3 other women and it was a riot and not remotely humiliating because it made him so very happy.  He had the opportunity to participate, but merely sat in the corner of the room and watched me with them.  This isn't actually what got me on the road to opening the door to the same sex, however, that was a very close female friend who is a lesbian.

I now seek to be the D type in that situation with a male sub. 



MistressVnus -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 12:51:08 PM)

Thanks for bringing up a very good point, laurel, that perhaps you are unaware of.
I'm sure MANY more male Dominants would see "forced bi" as a very palatable activity with their fem/sub.
However, pose that question to those same men regarding the Fem/Domme and male/sub relationship, and they respond quite differently and can't see the point.
Recently, I was discussing the "forced-bi" with a potential petitioner and he absolutely stated that he in no way, shape, or form would participate in a forced-bi situation.  No matter what.  I then asked, rather coyley, "you wouldn't mind watching my activity with another female, would you?"  And he state, "I would LOVE THAT!!"
The double standard, needless to say, was very blatent.
I think that it is more socially acceptable, in a male dominated world, for men to request this from their women, as opposed to the thought of it being requested of a man, by a woman.  Which can make the men, meek in spirit and overabundant in machismo, cringe.   Homophobically speaking, of course.



laurell3 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 12:56:58 PM)

I'm not unaware that stereotypes and double standards exist of course.  However, honestly, if it's something that someone really cannot do without feeling complete discomfort toting the phrase "double standard" around doesn't help the situation much.  The idea is hot to me partially beause of the discomfort, but I would never attempt to push someone to do something they really didn't want to (except Jefff who really really should suck cock! [;)]).   Whether it's homosexuality or something they desire on the other side, it really doesn't make much difference in my line of thinking.



subboi3382 -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 1:00:49 PM)

no, a) it's "forced" and b) it is just sex



Jeffff -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 1:01:09 PM)

I hope you can live with disapointment...:)

Jeff



KatyLied -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 1:06:02 PM)

It seems to me that it is much, much more acceptable for a female to:  1) be bisexual and 2) engage in bisexual activity and 3) admit to bisexual feelings than for a male to do so.  It seems like more people would rather watch girl-girl than guy-guy.  I'm not starting a shitstorm here, but just relating the way things seem to be.  



MistressVnus -> RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? (2/11/2008 1:07:08 PM)

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honestly, if it's something that someone really cannot do without feeling complete discomfort toting the phrase "double standard" around doesn't help the situation much.


Of, course.  And I agree.  I would never want someone to do anything that they absolutely didn't want to do.  (Except in my fantasies, of course..[:D]) But, that wasn't the point.  However,  it WAS an observation regarding the social conditioning of the male dominated society and the nature of it all.  Particularly regarding this issue.
And to further my point, I know there are a few on this board who have not stepped up to this thread "just because" of the social stigma of it.  Much of which, has been expressed and reinforced here.



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