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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 10:20:32 AM   
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I have to go with the op on this one. If I have a question an am allowed to post it (ahem). I would not want to look back to see if it was asked before. I would want a fresh answer to it now.  

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 10:36:27 AM   
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Camille...I'm sorry...I just caught your post.  Were you directing your question to me, cause if you were, no...it wasn't directed to anyone in particular...just the world.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 11:57:34 AM   
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Nope SS. If you look down at the bottom right corner you will see the person that the post is directed to. When replying to a specific person I click on their 'reply' button, like with this one I clicked on 'reply' at the upper right of your post. If I'm answering the original poster (OP) then I either click on their first post, a preceeding post of theirs or open my post with their name. I was curious because that post to me was number fifty-something yet my post was way back on the first page which is pretty indicative that it was directed towards me because my post would have to have been clicked on. Hehe that sounds so complicated.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 1:39:15 PM   
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It might also become a poaching ground for the unscrupulous who like to swoop down on newbies.

I am heartily sick of the patronizing way some people view those new to the lifestyle. These "newbies" are fully functioning adults, and they have no need of protection or molly-coddling.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 2:09:36 PM   
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There is a large "didn't you read that post from 2005" type of response when you ask a beginner question.


I will admit, that I am one of those assholes that gets a little exasperated with seeing the same questions over and over. More often than not, if I don't feel like repeating myself, I simply skip the thread, or post a link to a previous post of mine that ammounted to the same answer.

When it comes down to it, there are few things that haven't been discussed. Things will get repeated, the same or similar questions will be asked and discussions brought up, which generally isn't too big of a deal. The only time, in my opinion, when it really crosses the line into silly is when it is pretty clear that the poster bringing up a thread/discussion topic/asking a question has rather clearly not read the forum page at all. If there are three threads in the first page of the forum addressing the same topic already, why start a new one?

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like to ask questions here and now to those active here and now. I like to be a part of an active discussion. The flip side is if you do search the archives


This is just my opinion, and feel free to hate me for it, I'm okay with that. Frequently, the impression that I've been given with beaten into the ground questions and topics is that the person  bringing it up would rather be spoon fed widely available information, rather than do a little research and leg work themselves, or, on the other end of the spectrum, they care little about discussion and just want to make a public statement about something they have an opinion on (see: the bajillion lifestyle vs pro flamewars).  If you have something to discuss, by all means dicuss it, I say. If there is something burning at you that you just need to talk about it, have at it. If you want input or advice for something that is personal, and therefore probably requires some personal reponse, by all means, ask for it.

If you're looking for basic information, I suggest learning a little search fu, and becoming as educated as you can on your own about a topic. Afterwards, you might have something to discuss or a new spin that hasn't been seen fourteen times that week already, and won't simply come across as lazy. No matter what, however, whereas the forums may be moderated, they can't be censored into the ground. There is no guarantee anyone will play nice or tell you what you want to hear how you want to hear it. Life is hard, wear a helmet.

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How does anyone know they're ready for the next stages of learning?


No one is going to learn everything they need to know about anything from a forum, that's what the real word is for, networking with real (reputable) players and learning in a tangible environment is for. You can read about how to do naughty things to or with people all day long, but it doesn't mean much until you've experienced it.  Being kinky isn't exactly something that you go to school for. Learning what to do is personal and haphazard exploration."When" to do it, is whenever you feel ready, in terms of doing stuff that requires any amount of skill - when you're proficient enough to be unlikely to harm anyone, and know what precautions to take. It's not rocket science, and if you want someone to hold your hand, a public forum is not where you want to be.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 2:51:51 PM   
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SS,
 
Thank you for addressing me but that wasn't my post -- it was the person above me.  I didn't take offense to the word as i don't see myself as an elitist....or a newbie.  No apology needed.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 3:26:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Other problem: what's the cutoff point for newbism? Many of us are as far removed from Ron's experience as newborn chicks are from singing cocks, for example, and yet, we've been here for a while...

Hmmmm, maybe Ron has a singing cock.  Ron could be the agent.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 4:40:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: StormsSlave

So, being new to this site, and new to the lifestyle, I find I am becoming reluctant to post questions I have.  The reason for my reluctance is that when I've asked amateur questions, there have been people who have come across to me as condescending, superior, and borderline rude (no I'm not naming names, not starting feuds).  It's a little disheartening to ask a question that is new to me (I wouldn't ask if I knew the answer) only to have someone who has been in this lifestyle/on this site for a lifetime try to make me feel stupid for asking what is to me a valid question. 

I understand that I can do a search and find answers to people's questions from the past.  However, I am currently asking the question, and would like answers to
me from the people who are currently here.  I prefer a more personal, direct approach, and if it tires some people to read the same questions over and over, well, maybe they shouldn't read the questions.  (??)  Just a thought.

It seems to me it would be very helpful to have a specific forum for newbies and those who don't mind helping them.  Is this something I can do or only a moderator can do?  If so, how do I inquire?  (Yes, another amateur question.)  That could be a safe place where the rule is you don't get to make people feel stupid for asking questions that annoy the BDSM/Collarme Elitists.  If the Elitists chose not to read the questions, they don't have to go there.  On the other hand, the many, many outstanding people who have been incredibly patient to answer questions could continue doing so.  We newbies would not have to feel like our questions are invalid just because they've been asked before.

Anyway, that's my thoughts.  Thanks for listening.

ahh well you see i just look like a newbie.....

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 4:45:12 PM   
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*reads through in no particular order*

Actually, I have no issues with a newbie forum.  I don't think it will encourage people to be nicer or meaner.  I don't think people will give better or worse answers.  I suspect, but do not know, that it will be a forum like any other, and that you'll get what you pay for; with an emphasis on "How To"...  Generically speaking, I always appreciate another forum, outlet, perspective.  I'm pretty sure redundancy would win out here, though.





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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/15/2008 5:05:21 PM   
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What some of us try to encourage is for new people to use the search function to see if their questions have been asked before. If you can't find the question or need to ask it in a different way, then post. There are people here (LA comes to mind) who are extremely good using the search function who can help by posting links to topics.

As for being offended by other people, consider that you're projecting your insecurity about asking onto them. This can make you sensitive to what you read...and how you feel their tone of voice is about it. It's often hard to convey emotion through writing. For example, I'm writing this with a caring and compassionate feeling, but realizing that I'm cutting the crap and being to-the-point. That can often come across as harsh and condescending when it's not meant to be.

All that being said, who is going to "man" the newbie forum and give answers? I won't and I know many other experienced people won't simply because we get tired of the same questions over and over. Only a certain few will and you'll loose the benefit of many people's opinions and advice.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 8:33:30 AM   
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We newbies are annoying to you crotchety old vets,


Untrue in the extreme.  It is idiots who are blind to their own issues and problems and or see anyone saying anything that punctures their fantasy world as being criticism that is annoying.  People who ask intelligent and or open and honest answers get great responses.

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we also bring fresh perspectives, new ideas, and different outlooks. 


Sometimes SOMEONE brings those things in but in this case, the idea was old and stupid.  Those who bring interesting perspectives and ideas get complimented.  More often than not though, newbies are like teenagers, they think they are the first ones to do anything.

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This place is so much fun because of all of the different strengths of the people involved.   [/


The above is a perfect example of why you get the responses you do.  Either you value that diversity or you don't. You don't!  You want it rearranged to suite you.  Ain't gonna happen girlie.


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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 8:40:28 AM   
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A seperate new visitors forum would suck and is cultural and elitist seperation at it's best.  It would leave newbies open to abuse by predators and generate more 'them and us' attitudes.
We were all new once.  People make you feel awkward?  Suck it up and don't let it get to you.  If I allowed myself to be manipulated and influenced in such a negative way when I was new, then I would nly of had myself to blame. 
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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 8:42:32 AM   
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Frankly, I hate coddling new people and even old people.

To me, if you are such a delicate flower that my telling you "that behavior isn't healthy" or giving criticism so devastates you that you get all upset, or are in other ways need everyone to dance around you.

FUCK OFF, I don't' want you doing BDSM around me.  You are a drama queen in the making and or someone who is going to cause havoc of one sort or another.

If you are not a fully functioning adult, go home and work on that first.  Don't expect the rest of us to stop what we are doing and deal with your BS.

Now, some like Stormslave will of course see that as rude and elitist and on some level it is.  It is also born of care and concern but until you become an asshole like me, you just will not be able to see it, just like the teenager can't see the wisdom in their parents advice until they themselves mature.

A "newbies" forum is a perfect example.  It is a great idea but it is going to get raped by a gang of facts that the OP can't see and many of us who actually have done this stuff see as plain as day.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 9:03:01 AM   
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ther is a classic example of why a forum for newbies would be both a terrible and a great idea over in "Ask a Submissive" right now

we have all just spent the afternoon being flagged and bitched at for being our normal helpful selves

It might be nice to have a place for people new to message boards and forums to get their corners knocked off, but then .. how good would other newbies be at knocking?

hmmmms

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 10:21:34 AM   
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about repeating questions....many  "not noobs" / "not-newbees" post the same questions too. IN a different situation..but in general a forum about a life style will have repeated questions.
Because in general..the forum has one big topic..the lifestyle. If you hate double questions...ignore the thread..don't waste your enerngy on it...that is good for the poster..who doesn't get shit answers...and for the one that is irritated.
It is like a tv...don't like the programm....switch channels   or....switch it off...

And lets all not act..that we were perfect when we were newbies... and judge about them....fresh thoughts are needed  ..and wanted..
(and people eopinions change....even on the same issue)


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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 10:28:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I have to go with the op on this one. If I have a question an am allowed to post it (ahem). I would not want to look back to see if it was asked before. I would want a fresh answer to it now.  


Yea what he said.  when I get the same questions over and over.  I give fresh new answers.  like If you asked me that one more fucking time I m going to send you to the moon alice.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 10:36:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: softness
ther is a classic example of why a forum for newbies would be both a terrible and a great idea over in "Ask a Submissive" right now

Now deleted because the OP was an insecure manchild.


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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 10:39:37 AM   
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RTFM is a great idea except sometimes the manual is wrong.
It's happened to me a number of times.
People also learn in different ways.
Some have to learn by hard bitter experince.
People who are used to being wrapped in cotton wool tend to hate straight talking.
Unfortunately some people on the boards can continue to wrap people in cottom wool.
It's taken a number of pages of somewhat less than imaginative prose from some people to tell the OP that his idea is not only impractical but really not a good idea at all.
If the OP had read all the heartbreaking posts on these boards from supposedly adult people who have been seriously abused in their relationships then he wouldn't want their naivete exposed to some of the people on this site. It really doesn't matter the difference between a sub and a slave what matters is if the person you are meeting trustworthy. Do they care a damn about you or are they just going to do what they want to you regardless of the emotional trauma that you may experience as a direct result of their actions.
That is what I am really quite worried about.

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 10:57:59 AM   
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I am still pushing for my idea about "The Sensitive Corner", a special forum for everybody who can't seem to handle sardonnic, sarcastic, direct, and blunt people on the *gasp* Internet! (OMG!). They can sing Kumbya and press their own ideals of what "proper behavior" is on each other.

Some people tell me I am an asshole, because of my style.

Other people love my style and find me funny.

And a few people have the sense to look past my style and realize there is usually always meaning and purpose behind the blunt things I say on these forums.

Who should I listen to?

People always like to bitch and moan about all us assholes on these forums and want everybody to change to suit their ideal version of how things should be, but the REAL people you should worry about are....
  • People who are afraid to sit down at their computer under an anonymous avatar and write out a message to post on an electronic message board to be read by a bunch of other anonymous avatars.
  • People who walk away from their computer upset or mad over the opinions of a bunch of people they only know viscariously through a text box and don't know the first names of. (Nothing wrong with getting a little annoyed or peeved when reading some asshat's post, but if that feeling is harbored for more than 5 seconds after shutting off the computer...you should probably take a good look at your own life)
  • People who are so disconnected with the realities of the Internet that they think a change in how people choose to communicate with each other over this medium is even plausible.

People who suggest the idea of a newbies forum are really saying "I want to start my own private club where only people I personally like can post at"

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RE: Whaddya think? A forum for newbies? - 2/16/2008 11:15:01 AM   
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All the talk of the same stuff being discussed a million times reminds me of a joke...

It seems a newbie prisoner was at his first dinner with the other inmates. The rule was "No Talking" and, indeed, the meal proceeded in silence for some time until someone quietly said, "35". Around the newbie, other inmates begain to smile. There were a few laughs.

"56" someone else called out, louder, and now the laughter was louder, too.

"127!" a voice shouted and even the guards began laughing. In the uproar, the newbie turned to a seasoned con. "What's with the numbers?" he asked.

"Oh, well, you see we've been here so long, we've heard all the jokes. And what with the no talking and all, we just categorized them. That way, if someone wants to tell a joke, they just refer to the number."

"Ah," thought the newbie, and -- wanting to fit in -- called out "64!".
 
Dead silence.
 
"What's wrong?" the newbie whispered to the old con.
 
"Sorry, kid. Some people just can't tell a joke."

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