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caitlyn -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 1:14:04 PM)
Were you thinking that Hamas and Hezbollah grew their rockets and other advanced munitions in the garden behind their home? The Outer Mongolia comment is not reasonable. Outer Mongolia has not been attacked several times in the last sixty years, by coalitions of surrounding states.

caitlyn -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 1:15:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy Presumably this would work both ways. Not insisting Israel would attack, but I am sure they would accept an international rule that was fair to everybody. A valid point.

meatcleaver -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 1:36:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Outer Mongolia has not been attacked several times in the last sixty years, by coalitions of surrounding states. Come ooooon! Israel was happy to invade Egypt in 1956 along with Britain and France, it was Israel that was happy to start the 1967 war, it was Israel that invaded Lebanon in 1982 and 2006. You are falling into the old trap that it is the Arabs forever invading Israel when Israel is no slouch when it comes to attacking its neighbours. It is not true that Israel is always aggressive for defensive reasons and the Arabs are always aggressive because that is their natural state. It is as laughable when people say the Arabs, implying all Arab countries invaded Israel in 1948 when the war restricted to Trans-Jordania with a little over spill in Sinai and Syria. It wasn't the whole Arab world fighting plucky Israel. In fact since Israel and Jordan didn't exist, how could Jordan have invaded Israel?

meatcleaver -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 1:39:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Were you thinking that Hamas and Hezbollah grew their rockets and other advanced munitions in the garden behind their home? Hamas and Hezbollah are resistance movements, they are a product of Israeli aggression and subjugation. If it wasn't for Israeli aggression and oppression, neither would exist. To imply they are terrorists and the Israelis aren't is stretching the truth a little. If peace is what people wants, one has to talk to all fighters and not label some terrorists and others not.

NorthernGent -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 1:41:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Were you thinking that Hamas and Hezbollah grew their rockets and other advanced munitions in the garden behind their home? Yes, in among the tulips and chrysanthemums - they've got some rockets, what is your point? quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn The Outer Mongolia comment is not reasonable. Outer Mongolia has not been attacked several times in the last sixty years, by coalitions of surrounding states. The Israeli government has done its fair share of attacking. Let's not turn the peace settlement into a self-fulfilling, war prophecy.

Real0ne -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 2:24:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn 6) Strong measures must be taken against nations facilitating groups bent on the destruction of any Jewish state. 7) There needs to be a plan in place in advance, on what to do if Israel is attacked. 8) Palestinians must police their own, by immediately arresting all those within their ranks that use terror as an instrument of policy. I think many people are missing the whole issue here. They do not recognize israel as a legitimate state. They see it as stolen property. Now what? What measures should be taken when the US invades and occupies a sovereign nation? What makes the US disassembling irag and afghanastan any different than who ever disassembling isreal? There is a plan. The US and Israel war lords have every scenario played out in triplicate. We do not know it but they do. How should palestine do that when they are so horribly out gunned? You do know israel has nukes do you not? F16's, what do the pals have? Pipe bombs and a couple rockets? Define terror? What is terror? Scaring little kids with dracula? suicide bombers? Tanks? nukes? tomcats? Hostile take over? Occupation? What is terror? How shall we define where terror starts and where terror ends? Finally regarding your last post, do you feel we should sacrifice freedom of speech for PC?

caitlyn -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 4:15:31 PM)
Well, they got the fucking rockets somewhere, and steps need to be taken to ensure the supply dries up. But, never mind ... you showed your colors.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 4:30:30 PM)
Caitlyn the rockets fired from inside Gaza are normally the Quassam rockets, these are home made, and not very effective. The type fired from Lebanon are Katyushka style rockets and come from China.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 4:35:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Anyone that starts to scream hell and bloody murder when someone suggests some jew has a smudge on his face cannot be considered a rational person, Hippie. This is what happened in this thread and it is the reason why I have blocked the posts of one such person; I just could not stomach the disgust I felt for such behaviour any more. So, in other words, you can't find any such statement and you are just making stuff up. I understand EXACTLY where you are coming from.

Alumbrado -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 4:45:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado And we've also had the only possible solution explained to us...conciliation and atonement... from one side only. Oh, come on Alumbrado......let's have a dance, a little shuffle around the floor.......cheek to cheek :-) quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado It is a mess where both sides are engaged in a massive cycle of promoting violence.... both convinced that they are doing what is right to survive. You see Alumbrado, we actually agree, and you would have seen this in one of my earlier posts if you'd have kept your cool instead of feeling victimised. No, I've expressed this position repeatedly, while your tactics have consisted of: Supporting the most extreme PLO/Hamas, anti-Jewish propaganda with a patronizing campaign of 'not seeing' certain posts and facts. Repeatedly expressing doubt that history unfolded as it has in the matter of anti-semitism and attempts at genocide. Refusing to address overwhelming proof after asking for and receiving it. Implying that anyone who believes that Jews are in danger of a repeat of past holocausts must be wrong because they are emotionally invested, or overly sensitive. Dismissing atrocities and promises to continue genocide with claims of 'hasn't met the burden of proof', and 'mistranslation' . Conflating the position that some Jewish people believe that they are in danger into false assertions that all Muslims and Arabs were being unfairly smeared. You've also fabricated quotes (turning Sinergy's 'Jews and bullies' into a claim that I posted that 'Jews were bullies'... All while offering the 'solution' that only one side needs to do whatever it takes to make the other side happy. Perhaps you see this sophomoric game in defense of the most repugnant attitudes on the planet as clever, I see it as something you can play alone.

Rule -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 4:59:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster I understand EXACTLY where you are coming from. Please elaborate?

luckydog1 -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 5:43:58 PM)
Northern Gent, it is very poor form to clip quotes from articles and post them as your own words. But thank you for demonstrating to us where you get your information from. We appreciate you giving us the Marxist view on why Isreal must be destroyed. And we note, you wanted to pretend it was your own. With that understanding, your desire to laugh at the situation, and ignore many facts is perfectly clear. Any who wants to see the artilce NG was plagurising from..... The Revoulutionary Communist Group http://www.rcgfrfi.easynet.co.uk/marxism/articles/f134-ime.htm In the future please do not commit blatant plagurism NG. It is very easy to copy a few sentances into Google to find the source. However none of the Revolutionary Communist blather you posted adressed my point. The Muslim Arabs in Isreal have and have always had full civil rights. Is there really any doubt as to why the left wing wants Isreal destroyed?

Real0ne -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 6:15:12 PM)
you know what really cracks me up in a sad way is that all you semites have anti-gentilism right in your talmud and who is the loudest to scream foul? Why the semites of course. What do they call a person or people whoo professes one thing yet the facts show another? You whine about antisemitism and if you know of even one race or religion that was not a victim of a holocaust at one period or another throughout history puhlease be so kind to inform us.

caitlyn -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 6:18:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Caitlyn the rockets fired from inside Gaza are normally the Quassam rockets, these are home made, and not very effective. The type fired from Lebanon are Katyushka style rockets and come from China. It doesn't matter where they come from ... they come. The point remains the same, if you are going to ask Israel to give up her military might, by removing American support, one has to as least ensure the the other side does the same, no matter where that support is coming from. Hard to believe there is so much resistance to simple common sense. As I told NG ... I think some colors may be showing.

Owner59 -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 7:47:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Caitlyn the rockets fired from inside Gaza are normally the Quassam rockets, these are home made, and not very effective. The type fired from Lebanon are Katyushka style rockets and come from China. It doesn't matter where they come from ... they come. The point remains the same, if you are going to ask Israel to give up her military might, by removing American support, one has to as least ensure the the other side does the same, no matter where that support is coming from. Hard to believe there is so much resistance to simple common sense. As I told NG ... I think some colors may be showing. caitlyn, What would you do if your land was taken? How would you handle it,if you were in the position of the Palestinians? An answer like"I would just roll belly up and give in",is not an answer. Please,give us an idea how you would handle it differently?

luckydog1 -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 8:32:00 PM)
The problem with the Protocols, is not the fools who loudy proclaim (some before they even read them) to be TRUTH. They are self identifying idiots. The real problem is with the people who are going to large effort to deny they exist and have any relevance to the situation in the Mid East, and who excuse those who act on them as if they were real..

kittinSol -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 9:34:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn The point remains the same, if you are going to ask Israel to give up her military might, by removing American support, one has to as least ensure the the other side does the same, no matter where that support is coming from. Hard to believe there is so much resistance to simple common sense. As I told NG ... I think some colors may be showing. Political dogma prevails over common sense. We know full well that the Palestinians' military support is very unlikely to be withdrawn. For those who suggest that all factions drop their weapons... it's never going to happen. I think the change will come from goodwill on all sides. It's completely unreasonable to expect Israel to make all the concessions - doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum anybody's coming from. Once the political interests die down in favour of human interests, there will be some space for true longlasting negotiations. For that to happen, people will have to let their guard down and face each other. It's the only way to talk in a constructive way: I just don't see that the majority are ready for this yet.

luckydog1 -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 10:10:09 PM)
Fair question owner59, but what would you do if you were in the position of an Isreali?

meatcleaver -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 10:45:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 The Muslim Arabs in Isreal have and have always had full civil rights. This is so so untrue. 250,000 Arabs classed in the Orwellian term Absent-Present, 8,000 incarcerated without trial, the ability to buy property severely restricted to the point it is almost impossible., summary confiscation of land, summary redirection of water, let's not start on all the collective punishment. lucky, you make me laugh so much I almost wet my pants. Maybe you should go to Israel and take a look for yourself.

meatcleaver -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (2/28/2008 11:14:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Fair question owner59, but what would you do if you were in the position of an Isreali? Well most Israelis are of east European descent so no one would want to go back there, well now many East European countries are joining the EU and getting wealthier that is beginning to change, many former East European Jews are heading home, even Russian Jews. Israel was a convenience for a time. Many were kicked out of Arab countries in retaliation for stealing Palestinian land so they haven't anywhere to go, many are from the orn of Africa so they wouldn't want to go back and the US won't take them despite its support. What makes me raise my eyebrows is that western Jews who fund and support Israel, wouldn't touch the place with a barge pole. But what peace needs is not for the Israelis to go anywhere but justice, not the annihilation of one side or the other. The zionists started this affair, they are the ones in power, they are the ones that have consistently over decades stole land, subjugated, ethnically cleansed and stripped the Palestinians of rights. The zionists should be the ones to make the peace gesture which would be from strength. To be honest, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the west as they spout on about freedom, the rule of law and civilised values while fully supporting a regime that hols none of those values. Actually, it is creepy and scary that many Americans that unquestioningly support Israel are religious nuts, especially when it was a religious nut that gave the green light to the zionists.

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