Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.[31]"
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Some recent research, however, apparently argues that al-Husayni did work with Eichmann for the dispatch of a special corps of Einsatz commandos to exterminate the Jews in Palestina, if Rommel managed to break through the British lines in Egypt.[41] Husseini did intervene on May 13, 1943, with the German Foreign Office to block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Roumenia, after reports reached him that 4000 Jewish children accompanied by 500 adults had managed to reach Palestine. He asked that the Foreign Minister 'to do his utmost' to block all such proposals and this request was complied with.[42]. A year later, on the 25th July, 1944, he wrote to the Hungarian foreign minister to register his objection to the release of certificates for 900 Jewish children and 100 adults for transfer from Hungary, fearing they might end up in Palestine. He suggested that if such transfers of population were deemed necessary, then:-

'it would be indispensable and infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, as for example Poland, thus avoiding danger and preventing damage.'[43]

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In his memoirs after the war, Husayni noted that "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours'.'[44]

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In September 1943, intense negotiations to rescue 500 Jewish children from the town of Arbe in Croatia collapsed due to the objection of the Mufti who blocked the children's departure to Turkey because they would end up in Palestine. The children were sent to Auschwitz.[45]
 
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Al-Husayni was involved in the organization and recruitment of Bosnian Muslims into several divisions of the Waffen SS and other units. The largest was the 13th "Handschar" division of 21,065 men, which conducted operations against Communist partisans in the Balkans from February 1944[48] and participated in the genocide of Yugoslav Jews.[49]
On March 1, 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husayni said:

'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[50][51][52]

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Reality licks has a few things incorrect.  First of all, His numbers are way off base.  the number is disputed, but the officiall UN # is 711,000 Refugees that left Isreal.  Not Millions to several countries.

The West bank and Gaza and Half of Jerusalem was invaded and occupyied by Jordan, and Egypt with the approval and help of the other Arab states. in 1948.  Not by Isreal.  They held it for 20 years.  The Arabs prevented Palestine from forming in 1948.  And continue to today

Jordan is the only Arab state that gave citizenship to the Palestinains, the states Reality licks listed, refused and continue to resue to allow Palestinians to immigrate.  Also not a single one of them has even 1 million Palestinian refugees, not the millions each reality claims.  A perfect example of how people lie about this issue.  reality has probably heard that millions of times, and doesn't realise he was lied to.  But it is pretty easy to look this stuff up, so the ignorance is fairly inexcusable..

Wikipedia is not the best source, but every point from this wiki quote is Footnoted, so its valid,

"
In 1957, the Refugee Conference at Homs, Syria, passed a resolution stating that "Any discussion aimed at a solution of the Palestine problem which will not be based on ensuring the refugees' right to annihilate Israel will be regarded as a desecration of the Arab people and an act of treason (Beirut al Massa, July 15, 1957)."[15]
The Arab League issued instructions barring the Arab states from granting citizenship to Palestinian Arab refugees (or their descendants) "to avoid dissolution of their identity and protect their right to return to their homeland".[16]
Syrian Prime Minister, Khalid al-Azm, wrote in his 1973 memoirs:

Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees [...] while it is we who made them leave. [...] We brought disaster upon [...] Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave. [...] We have rendered them dispossessed. [...] We have accustomed them to begging. [...] We have participated in lowering their moral and social level. [...] Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon [...] men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes.

Jordan is the only Arab country which uniformly gave citizenship rights to Palestinian refugees present on its soil. "



It is rather disengenouis to argue Isreal should go back to the 67 borders, while arguing that it was ok for pre 67 Arabs to be working for thier anihalation, adn constantly attacking them.  Arabs don't give a shit about the Palestinian people, its really sad. 

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

but death to every Jew on the planet

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paranoid

I imagine the Palestineans feel exactly the same way about the Isrealis that you do about whoever you claim wants the Jews to die.  The difference between you and I is that I do not want anybody to die. 

I dont have any problem with the Jews.  What I have a problem with are the actions of the Isreali government.  This is a government that has actively spied on the United States for decades.  They have then taken what they are able to glean and traded it to the Soviet Union so the Soviet Union would allow Jews to emigrate to Isreal.  With the fall of the Soviet Union, the Isreali government has fostered the spying of information from the United States and sold it to the Chinese.

I dont mind if you stridently insist that this has something to do with religion, but doing so simply shows obtuse zionism and a lack of understanding of the history of the region.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Reality licks has a few things incorrect.  First of all, His numbers are way off base.  the number is disputed, but the officiall UN # is 711,000 Refugees that left Isreal.  Not Millions to several countries.

• Jordan 1,827,877
  
• Lebanon 404,170
  
• Syria 432,048

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The West bank and Gaza and Half of Jerusalem was invaded and occupyied by Jordan, and Egypt with the approval and help of the other Arab states. in 1948.  Not by Isreal.  They held it for 20 years.  The Arabs prevented Palestine from forming in 1948.  And continue to today

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Jordan is the only Arab state that gave citizenship to the Palestinains, the states Reality licks listed, refused and continue to resue to allow Palestinians to immigrate.  Also not a single one of them has even 1 million Palestinian refugees, not the millions each reality claims.  A perfect example of how people lie about this issue.  reality has probably heard that millions of times, and doesn't realise he was lied to.  But it is pretty easy to look this stuff up, so the ignorance is fairly inexcusable..

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It is rather disengenouis to argue Isreal should go back to the 67 borders, while arguing that it was ok for pre 67 Arabs to be working for thier anihalation, adn constantly attacking them.  Arabs don't give a shit about the Palestinian people, its really sad. 

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Kitten Sol I am sure you are familiar with Amin al-Husayni, the mufti of Jerusalem.  Its amazing that people can ignore this stuff. 

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Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Hussayni submitted to the German government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.[31]"
...............
Some recent research, however, apparently argues that al-Husayni did work with Eichmann for the dispatch of a special corps of Einsatz commandos to exterminate the Jews in Palestina, if Rommel managed to break through the British lines in Egypt.[41] Husseini did intervene on May 13, 1943, with the German Foreign Office to block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Roumenia, after reports reached him that 4000 Jewish children accompanied by 500 adults had managed to reach Palestine. He asked that the Foreign Minister 'to do his utmost' to block all such proposals and this request was complied with.[42]. A year later, on the 25th July, 1944, he wrote to the Hungarian foreign minister to register his objection to the release of certificates for 900 Jewish children and 100 adults for transfer from Hungary, fearing they might end up in Palestine. He suggested that if such transfers of population were deemed necessary, then:-

'it would be indispensable and infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, as for example Poland, thus avoiding danger and preventing damage.'[43]

...........
In his memoirs after the war, Husayni noted that "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours'.'[44]

........

In September 1943, intense negotiations to rescue 500 Jewish children from the town of Arbe in Croatia collapsed due to the objection of the Mufti who blocked the children's departure to Turkey because they would end up in Palestine. The children were sent to Auschwitz.[45]
 
............
 
Al-Husayni was involved in the organization and recruitment of Bosnian Muslims into several divisions of the Waffen SS and other units. The largest was the 13th "Handschar" division of 21,065 men, which conducted operations against Communist partisans in the Balkans from February 1944[48] and participated in the genocide of Yugoslav Jews.[49]
On March 1, 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husayni said:

'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[50][51][52]

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

but death to every Jew on the planet

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paranoid

I imagine the Palestineans feel exactly the same way about the Isrealis that you do about whoever you claim wants the Jews to die.  The difference between you and I is that I do not want anybody to die. 

I dont have any problem with the Jews.  What I have a problem with are the actions of the Isreali government.  This is a government that has actively spied on the United States for decades.  They have then taken what they are able to glean and traded it to the Soviet Union so the Soviet Union would allow Jews to emigrate to Isreal.  With the fall of the Soviet Union, the Isreali government has fostered the spying of information from the United States and sold it to the Chinese.

I dont mind if you stridently insist that this has something to do with religion, but doing so simply shows obtuse zionism and a lack of understanding of the history of the region.

Sinergy

I won't waste time debating Holocaust deniers... you two can have fun on your own.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Aah! Playing your get out of jail free card again. Why don't you answer some of the pertinent points put to you?

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

al-Husayni was subsequently ostracised by the Arab Nationalists and the PLO and his sins don't excuse the punishment of all Palestinians.  You tread on dangerous ground when you describe all those who object to Israel's actions as anti-Semites.  Not least because many are Jews, themselves. 

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

And I apologize to kittenSol for using the word Jews.  I meant the Government of Isreal.

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Peace, out