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Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 2:57:06 AM

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UT9EKG0&show_article=1

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 3:05:46 AM

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Well, he is 81.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 3:08:24 AM

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But his detractors called him a dictator whose totalitarian government systematically denied individual freedoms and civil liberties such as speech, movement and assembly.

I know a country has the same damn problem.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 3:08:40 AM

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Good - love him or loathe him, 50 years of what he's survived warrants a dignified rest.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 3:39:41 AM

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I think Fidel is a bit of a hero whose policies when he got power went wrong.
He failed because he imposed top down authoritarian .economic/social policies. Was he not a lawyer ?

The "stoopid" US responses to his government didnt help.
Does anyone know if the US actually stopped other nations trading with Cuba ?

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 3:51:10 AM

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Still, Fidel's an idiot. You are the leader of a very small country and the last thing you want to do is piss off the super-power that is 90 miles off your shore.

Not only that, but in my opinion Fidel allowed himself to be used by the Soviets and ended up with a raw deal. Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba for two reasons: First he wanted to see how far he could push the Americans and get away with it. And second he wanted US missiles removed from Turkey. As soon as Kennedy promised to remove the missiles from Turkey, the Soviets pulled out. Castro was never part of the secret deal between the White House and the Kremlin which ended the crisis. The only thing Cuba got out of the deal was a promise that the US will not invade Cuba, but the deal said nothing about the embarrgo. So the US kept that promise and did not invade, but said as long as Cuba remains communist, America wont allow any trade. And Cuba has suffered economically for 50+ years.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 4:36:31 AM

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Does anyone know if the US actually stopped other nations trading with Cuba ?

Yes. There is a law barring any company that trades with Cuba from trading with the US. This law has caused a lot of resentment and anti-Americanism and one of the reasons Fidel is so popular around the world.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 4:44:02 AM

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Still, Fidel's an idiot. You are the leader of a very small country and the last thing you want to do is piss off the super-power that is 90 miles off your shore.

Not only that, but in my opinion Fidel allowed himself to be used by the Soviets and ended up with a raw deal. Khrushchev placed missiles in Cuba for two reasons: First he wanted to see how far he could push the Americans and get away with it. And second he wanted US missiles removed from Turkey. As soon as Kennedy promised to remove the missiles from Turkey, the Soviets pulled out. Castro was never part of the secret deal between the White House and the Kremlin which ended the crisis. The only thing Cuba got out of the deal was a promise that the US will not invade Cuba, but the deal said nothing about the embarrgo. So the US kept that promise and did not invade, but said as long as Cuba remains communist, America wont allow any trade. And Cuba has suffered economically for 50+ years.

When Castro came to power his government were not ideologically in one camp or the other. America pushed Cuba into the Soviet camp by its mean and petty policy of sanctioning Cuba. Not for one moment did the US stop to wonder why there had been a revolution in Cuba, you know, like the American supported corrupt, oppressive Batista regime might be, well, corrupt and oppressive. The opportunity was there for the US to create a positive relationship with Cuba but it was too mean, bitter and petty to do so and has remained mean, bitter and petty in its policy towards Cuba ever since. Fast forward to Iran, one is tempted to say the US never learns.

Yes, the USSR wanted to put missiles on Turkey to counter the provocative stationing of US missiles in Turkey. Please note, it was the US that made the first aggressive move.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 4:51:14 AM

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as long as Cuba remains communist, America wont allow any trade. And Cuba has suffered economically for 50+ years.

Trade with whom the US or anybody ? Whom sounds so pretentious. Not me at all lol
That doesnt sound like a very "freedom loving" policy to me.
Do as you are told or I wont allow you to be free. lol

Was it not US policy that drove Castro into the arms of Russia, the big bad bear ?

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 4:51:38 AM

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I would disagree. Fidel is anything but stupid. Give me an example of any other leader who has managed in modern times to defy a bully superpower, not for a moment but for half a century. This thing with Cuba makes the U.S. the laughing stock of the world- trade with communist China but get all pissed about a tiny island. By your logic, if all small revolts were to give in to the local superpower, then I guess we should all still be British colonists.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 4:56:09 AM

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I bet I know the answer to trade with China but not Cuba conundrum

Powerful people in the US gain economically in one case and dont lose much in the other
Its a wicked world ennit ?

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 5:02:19 AM

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I figure it won't be long before he can enjoy a Cuban cigar with Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Il Duce, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Adolph, and other 20th century "heros." Maybe even have a laugh or two with some of folks he dispatched ahead of himself.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 5:07:16 AM

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Good - love him or loathe him, 50 years of what he's survived warrants a dignified rest.

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Perhaps Lady Ellen, but his brother is standing in the wings--and his brother HATES HATES HATES the US---so we must now again be wary--I fear.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 5:20:25 AM

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This may have been written in Castro's back office for all I know

http://leler.com/cuba/embargo.html

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You may have heard that the US has an embargo in place against Cuba. US companies may not trade with Cuba. US citizens are prohibited from travelling to Cuba (except under special circumstances). Congress has passed a bill that makes the embargo even stronger, and imposes sanctions against any country that trades with Cuba.

Policies designed in the land of the free ?

But from the same source I bet this wasn't

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There is a large Cuban-American population in Florida that absolutely hates Fidel Castro. Many of these people have reason to hate Castro -- they were rich landowners or businessmen who had their property seized during the Cuban revolution in the late 50's, and some have had family members imprisoned or tortured

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 5:57:32 AM

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China is a different animal starting in the late 80s who moved to a more open market economy. Cuba has strongly resisted that type of economic transition. Castro's brother Raul has hinted at making such a move but Fidel wont allow it.

The thing is the Chinese and the Russians learned they could make more money by being capitalists. So Russia went that way completely and China opened up a little and both are now creating some big revenues and creating some powerful corporations. Meanwhile these old-school communist regimes like Cuba and North Korea are stuck in the past.

Look at the people running the government in Russia today. It's being run by the KGB. 20 years ago these same guys were hardcore commies. In China its the same type of thing. Those countries have gone through some transitions. They released in the 1980s that the communist system was just not working. And the communist countries were falling behind the rest of the world. Now all of sudden, Russia and China are catching up.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 6:07:48 AM

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Good - love him or loathe him, 50 years of what he's survived warrants a dignified rest.

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Perhaps Lady Ellen, but his brother is standing in the wings--and his brother HATES HATES HATES the US---so we must now again be wary--I fear.

wary of what? one cant maintain one must be afraid of Cuba when one also holds the country to be a failed third world state........

I foresee some interesting times, and I wouldnt be at all surprised if Cuba decides to renegotiate with Fidel on the way out.

Just think - all that cheap labour, just off the coast - an outsourcing wet dream...

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 6:14:57 AM

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Just think - all that cheap labour, just off the coast - an outsourcing wet dream...

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It's a dry market now... All that outsourcing went to Mexico in the 90s and then to China in the 2000s. Not much left to go to Cuba.

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 6:16:50 AM

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But with the cost of fuel rising, the fall in the value of the dollar et al - shipping stuff in from China may not be that attractive any more when you have a whole island full of people willing to work for the same low wage levels, just off the coast

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RE: Fidel Castro Resigns - 2/19/2008 6:17:10 AM

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