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GUNS should we be allowed to carry


yes, with permit readily avaiable
  55% (47)
yes, carry as you will
  25% (22)
no, guns are bad and hurt people
  7% (6)
no, needs tighter laws (only police and feds)
  10% (9)
don't care
  1% (1)


Total Votes : 85
(last vote on : 3/5/2008 5:51:20 PM)
(Poll ended: 3/7/2008 12:00:00 AM)
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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/24/2008 3:12:05 AM   
TheAwfulTruth


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Status: offline 		Almost every night at work some drunken ass threatens to kill me purely on the grounds we objected to him/her attacking people, threatening people or behaving like like a degenerate. Probably very nice well mannered people in day to day life. Fortunately I live in a country where he's unlikely to come back half an hour after we toss his ass on the pavement with a gun and follow through.

Yup, guns make the world a safer place alright.

Sheesh, two gun threads in one day? CM seems to be turning into a violent beastie


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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/24/2008 5:33:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I carry a gun in my car because in Louisiana, your car is considered an extension of your home and you don't need a permit to carry it in your car.  I carry strictly for protection.  My dad was an instructor on the firing range in the Marine Corps, so I was raised around guns all my life and trained how to use one.  While I believe in the right to bear arms, I believe that passing a training course should be mandatory for those who choose to carry it on their persons.  That way the person knows how to properly use it so they don't get hurt themselves or hurt someone innocent.

I agree with Phin.  I believe in a national database for ballistics, too, for all newly purchased firearms.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/24/2008 3:36:29 PM   
SirRober


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Status: offline 		I agree with the balistics part ... but (devils advacate)  do you know how easy it is to change the riflings in a barrel or how easy it is to get and or change out a barrel

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 8:24:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very true.  Unfortunately, there is no foolproof way to make everything perfect.  Hopefully, the lawmakers will get their heads out their asses long enough to realize that taking guns out of the hands of honest, law-abiding Americans does nothing to fix the problem of illegal firearm use.  The last thing we need is only law enforcement being allowed to own and carry.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 8:35:41 AM   
joanus


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Status: offline 		I think people should have the right to own fully automatic weapons, assualt rifles, miniguns, greande,rocket, and missle lauchers. But I would be the only one allowed to own ammo, because frankly I don't trust you goobers with anything more dangerous than a piece of string.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 8:59:04 AM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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Status: offline 		I ran into a situation in DC several years ago,I shouldn't have become involved but I am not the type of man to watch a man beat the hell out of a woman.He was drunk and showing off in front of his bully friends.He had jerked his radio antenna off his truck and had beaten his wife until she couldn't talk so you know ol' bounty,I strolled over and kicked his ass and his friends jumped bad,out of her pocket Diane produced her little pistol and they backed off...We need to all fight for our right to bear a arms..I know the Constitution can be turned either way someone wants to read the right to bear...home guards or militia not the people..

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 9:22:22 AM   
ghitaPVH


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Status: offline 		I carry. with permit, here in Florida. my 8yo has a bb gun and is taking classes learning gun safety. I got my first pellet rifle when I was about 6 I think. I was in kindergarten anyway....I dont travel anywhere without carrying.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 9:40:26 AM   
Alumbrado


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quote:

(did you know that if a police officer is talking to you and puts his hand on his belt near his gun it's considered brandishing... 18.2-282)



Not neccesarily.  Whether the person is a police officer or not, under certain circumstances a gesture could be construed that way, assuming you can prove it in a court of law, but the blanket statement is incorrect.
This would be classic example of the 'totality of the circumstances' concept.  If someone is doing other thngs that a reasonable (read jury) person would consider threatening, then such a hand gesture might rise to the level of brandishing.

But ,if you really believe what you are saying, go down to IHOP, and the next time a bunch of cops come in, wait until one of them adjusts their belt while sitting down, then rush up screaming 'Armed Security Officer!!! I'm placing you under arrest for BRANDISHING commensurate with state code 18.2-282!'.

Let us know how that turns out for you.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 1:10:46 PM   
airborne92


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Status: offline 		I do believe in the right to carry a firearm, with the proper permit, if I so choose to. Not knowing who is carrying a firearm does make the world a safer place. Criminals do not like armed victims, it is that plain and simple. On a different thread someone said that just hearing the sound of a shotgun slide being worked will not make them wet their pants. This is probably a true statement, but it will make them stop and think, and usually leave before any confrontation is necessary.

Raechard, you don't see the relationship between the right to keep and bear arms, the sacrifices made to keep the right enumerated in the Constitution, and the right to free speech? It is very simple, and our founding fathers understood the concept very well, without the right to keep and bear arms by the people (meaning any one of us) any and all of the other rights can be taken away at will. The sacrifices made by those that have given their lives or parts of their bodies in defense of those rights have shown the rest of us that there are those among us that will stand up and do what is right regardless of what the consequences are.

Once a society is comnpletely disarmed, and only government agents are allowed to have access to firearms, it is very easy to have a tyrannical government take power. At which point the citizens have no recourse other than to become criminals, or servants of the government.

Regardless of how you personally feel about the issue, it is the same as any other issue. The moment you say soemone else cannot do something you are imposing your will on them and limiting their freedom. I am not in any way advocating pedophilia, or anything else that most people consider immoral, just making a point.

The bottom line is that the police are not required to protect you from criminals. They just come in and try to catch the criminal(s) after the fact, rarely are they present when a crtime is committed. As a citizen you are more likely to be able to stop the crime before it happens if you are armed, especially it the crime is happening to you.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 1:11:49 PM   
EvilKitty


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ORIGINAL: SirRober

OK I pose this poll to open eyes of the public.
My own opinion is to allow everyone minus the convicted felons to carry as you will.

My reason: If we all carried a gun then more and more people would be polite, considerate and patient. Because if you decided to say or do something that another person finds obtuse or disrespectful then, they may just shoot you. If you are driving and cut someone off, they may shoot you.

Better: You are at a bank and it is being held up by 1-3 people. You could shoot them and be considered a hero for saving money of the bank.


Please tell me why you think the way you do.

I wish to have guns for my own personal protection as well as for the protection of others. I want to have them available at my home (I have no kids) & want to be able to obtain a legal permit to carry it on my person & in my vehicle. I want citizens of the United States to have this priviledge. I want citizens with criminal backgrounds to be MORE thoroughly registered & investigated before considering allowing them the same permits.
I want gun shows to have FAR stricter rules regarding the sale of guns.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 1:23:26 PM   
need2bused6


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Status: offline 		Driving a car is not a right owning a gun is.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 1:57:29 PM   
need2bused6


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Status: offline 		  I voted yes with a permit.  I read all of the posts before I replied, except for the car thing.  I don't know a fair way, because of personal feelings about carrying, but if you are mentally unstable no.  Like a lot of hot button issues both sides need to compromise.  No one needs to carry an AK-47.  If you feel you need it for protection then common sense says don't go there.  I have a concealed carry permit in Ohio.  They opponents have made so many restrictions I can basically carry it to my car and cannot take it many other places.  I cannot while driving out it in an unlocked glove box but can put it in a clear unlocked box on the seat.  If you see my gun while carrying I can go to jail and lose my right to carry.  Ohio does require minimal gun training curse which is mostly the trainer explaining you will probably go to jail if you shot some one even in your house.  His advice was be sure who ever you shot CANNOT testify against you.  Nice law.  I feel you should be able to openly carry.  It worked well for years.  One person stated you could get angry and shot some one I disagree when carrying, which is not much, or not I make myself not get that mad because I have never had to shoot someone and don't want to.  When I am not carrying I don't know if they are.  I think some places should be no carry zones but will admit I am not sure where.  All teachers should be allowed to carry at school that is about my only certainty.  The person who stated they believe in the right to carry stated "you know what party I am".  Bad assumption.  I am a gay male who is libertarian and votes for both parties but more democrats as the lesser evil. I think that is a common misconception because the priority put on gun rights does vary party to party. I believe if we did not have the amount of guns we have in personal hands after 9/11 we would have lost all rights.  That is not the only time either in the history of the United States that could have happened.  I have tried not to attack any one but Raechard makes me wonder if gun ownership should be allowed. Humbly but Armed boy

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/25/2008 2:30:19 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: SirRober

I agree with the balistics part ... but (devils advacate)  do you know how easy it is to change the riflings in a barrel or how easy it is to get and or change out a barrel

Or how quickly the pattern changes with wear?

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 2:45:36 AM   
SirRober


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Status: offline 		true but the basic pattran in a barrel stays pretty much the same unless tampered with or has a defualt silencer at the end or other obstruction

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 7:26:24 AM   
YesMistressIrish


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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I carry a gun in my car because in Louisiana, your car is considered an extension of your home and you don't need a permit to carry it in your car.  I carry strictly for protection.  My dad was an instructor on the firing range in the Marine Corps, so I was raised around guns all my life and trained how to use one.  While I believe in the right to bear arms, I believe that passing a training course should be mandatory for those who choose to carry it on their persons.  That way the person knows how to properly use it so they don't get hurt themselves or hurt someone innocent.

I agree with Phin.  I believe in a national database for ballistics, too, for all newly purchased firearms.

I agree with you and Phin 100%
 
I sure wish we could carry in CA.
 
I have firearms here and think every sane woman should be able to carry, anywhere, anytime.
 
The world has changed so much and the ability to protect yourself from harm is a right.
 
Irish

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 12:34:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		sigh.   I live in Canda.  I watch American news.  on February 13th an 8th grade student went into the lab at school and shot his buddy in the back of the head.at 8:15 min the morning.  The last I heard was the child was declared brain dead and being kept alive by machines for organ donation.

University of Illinois - same week.  Student walks in and starts shooting.  17 (I think) dead - many others wounded.

Again that week:  A nine year old is playing in the backyard with his sister.  She has the potato chips  He wants them. She says no.  He shoots her in the head.

You people can argue for the right to carry arms all you like - but I should point out that these types of stories almost NEVER originiate in Canada.

You can come and visit - but your guns are NOT WELCOME here.  And yes - I realize I do not speak for all Canadians.  I speak for my children who are horrified at what happens at school, and for my husband who is a teacher in a school with no metal detectors

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 12:35:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirRober

I agree with the balistics part ... but (devils advacate)  do you know how easy it is to change the riflings in a barrel or how easy it is to get and or change out a barrel


Its not very easy to change the rifilings in a barrel and its not to easy to attain extra barrels for hand guns with the new laws that have been passed... Just like buying a gun you must wait the 3 days and checks for a new barrel for a hand gun...now long guns are differnt especially shotguns,its easy to get another barrel for a shot gun...

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 12:54:54 PM   
SirRober


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Status: offline 		I didn't know that , about the new law for barrels.

And as for children "playing" with guns it is the owners/parents responsiblity to keep them in a safe condition... be it with a trigger lock or in a safe. while at home with the UM's.



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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 12:59:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		it wouldn't be a problem if there weren't guns in the house in the first place!!!!!!!  Kids are smart - they can figure these things out.

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RE: GUNS should we be allowed to carry - 2/27/2008 1:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirRober

I agree with the balistics part ... but (devils advacate)  do you know how easy it is to change the riflings in a barrel or how easy it is to get and or change out a barrel

Or how quickly the pattern changes with wear?


Take a half-dozen cartridges with a plain lead bullet, and roll the sides of the bullet in sand.  Fire them through the barrel, it will now show significantly different markings on successive bullets.  Or, make some scratches inside the muzzle end with a file.  Same result.

The cartridge case also is marked when the gun is fired.  A bit of filing on the breech face and a little emery cloth on the tip of the firing pin will also alter those features sufficiently to make the original ballistic sample useless.

The average gunowner will not do these things.  But a seasoned criminal will learn the tricks in prison.

From a former gunsmith.


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