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Most states don't allow external carry so there's no change in tension. Concealed carry also carries a benefit because no one knows who is carrying and who is not. Criminals understand this, and in areas with liberal concealed carry policies, "in your face" crimes, ie murder, rape, muggings, home invasion are statistically lower than states with stiff gun control laws.
If I'm reading this correctly, you feel that the fear of being hurt will make people behave rationally and in a non-criminalistic manner. If that's true, then why, in countries where there is no 'right to bear arms', are crime rates lower than even the states which have liberal policies towards gun possession? How would they manage to do so? Outside of the American thought process there are other methods for keeping the peace; there's nothing to definitively prove a change in thought wouldn't change your crime rates, so what harm would there be in pursuing such avenues?
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It's not "youth", it's coddling criminals as an emerging political sub group (because when they regain the right to vote they vote over 90% for one party).
Umm...does this mean you are saying criminals control American politics? First of all, I'd think it was not only a slight to your judicial system, but to Americans in general. Are 90% of all criminals more than 50% of the voting population...? And if your government is corrupt, what would you propose to do about it?
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Inflicting intimidation, pain or death on someone that's trying to harm you or your family or a neighbor is a good thing.
I'm sorry, but this is vague. How many threats does your family receive? Or your neighbours? Couched in these terms, I can only envision the lurking image of a faceless 'they' which must be guarded against. If you don't know your enemy, then...well, remember Vietnam? Guns won't help.
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Only the entire human history where weak cultures get destroyed by a totalitarian governments from outside or within their own borders. The people that founded this country had to defeat their own oppressive government. Our second amendment rights exist because they recognized that this country needed a militia to defend this country from external threats. They also knew that militia could be turned against the citizenry and the people could not be left defenseless against their own government. One of George Washington's famous quotes is "I didn't defeat George the 4th to replace him with George the 1st".
Also, don't confuse the past 40 years of relative peace as "normal" by human being standards. We've had this peace because no major power can invade another major power without bringing down nuclear Armageddon upon themselves. The atomic bomb has saved more human life than any other human invention.
Please note the bolded part. A lot of what you've said blames the way things are without offering any resolution other than, "more weaponry" and invokes the bogeyman of the great nameless 'they' [beyond your reference of 'criminals']. This mentality, coupled with anger at the method of governemnt, is precisely why I referenced your previous civil war. Fear as a control tool works in the hands of a government, not in its citizenry and especially not when they are pitted against each other [think of it as 'me' versus 'the criminals' - you're both still American, both still think what you're doing is right...]. The invention of the nuclear bomb is not something Einstein was proud of, and the fear of death on a bigger scale doesn't make people necessarily wiser or more cautious. After all, how many enemies has the US government accused of hiding weapons of mass destruction in, say, the last three decades? Did any of them have the weapons? I don't recall any definitive proof of it. Applying the theory of MAD [Mutually Assured Destruction] to guns only makes me think, following the vein of thought you started, that people without guns will not only feel threatened but may find a different way to retaliate [like tourism, which no one has touched on yet].
This is just meant as food for thought. Up to this point in the thread most of the discussion has been weighted towards pro-gun; I'm offering the other view so certain things aren't overlooked.
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