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ORIGINAL: nursygirl

sigh.   I live in Canda.  I watch American news.  on February 13th an 8th grade student went into the lab at school and shot his buddy in the back of the head.at 8:15 min the morning.  The last I heard was the child was declared brain dead and being kept alive by machines for organ donation.

University of Illinois - same week.  Student walks in and starts shooting.  17 (I think) dead - many others wounded.

Again that week:  A nine year old is playing in the backyard with his sister.  She has the potato chips  He wants them. She says no.  He shoots her in the head.

You people can argue for the right to carry arms all you like - but I should point out that these types of stories almost NEVER originate in Canada.

You can come and visit - but your guns are NOT WELCOME here.  And yes - I realize I do not speak for all Canadians.  I speak for my children who are horrified at what happens at school, and for my husband who is a teacher in a school with no metal detectors

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ORIGINAL: nursygirl

sigh.   I live in Canda.  I watch American news.  on February 13th an 8th grade student went into the lab at school and shot his buddy in the back of the head.at 8:15 min the morning.  The last I heard was the child was declared brain dead and being kept alive by machines for organ donation.

University of Illinois - same week.  Student walks in and starts shooting.  17 (I think) dead - many others wounded.

Again that week:  A nine year old is playing in the backyard with his sister.  She has the potato chips  He wants them. She says no.  He shoots her in the head.

You people can argue for the right to carry arms all you like - but I should point out that these types of stories almost NEVER originiate in Canada.

You can come and visit - but your guns are NOT WELCOME here.  And yes - I realize I do not speak for all Canadians.  I speak for my children who are horrified at what happens at school, and for my husband who is a teacher in a school with no metal detectors

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ORIGINAL: christine1

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ORIGINAL: nursygirl

sigh.   I live in Canda.  I watch American news.  on February 13th an 8th grade student went into the lab at school and shot his buddy in the back of the head.at 8:15 min the morning.  The last I heard was the child was declared brain dead and being kept alive by machines for organ donation.

University of Illinois - same week.  Student walks in and starts shooting.  17 (I think) dead - many others wounded.

Again that week:  A nine year old is playing in the backyard with his sister.  She has the potato chips  He wants them. She says no.  He shoots her in the head.

You people can argue for the right to carry arms all you like - but I should point out that these types of stories almost NEVER originiate in Canada.

You can come and visit - but your guns are NOT WELCOME here.  And yes - I realize I do not speak for all Canadians.  I speak for my children who are horrified at what happens at school, and for my husband who is a teacher in a school with no metal detectors

huh....guess all of us dumbass, violent Americans should move to the great white north and become perfect ay?

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ORIGINAL: airborne92

beargonewild, there are few things in this country that make it much different than Canada. First the courts have ruled over and over that the police are not required to protect any individual citizen. So demanding better police protection is pointless. Second, firearms have been a part of this country's culture since it was founded.

SirRober, the problem is not that the police can't get firepower equal to or superior to that of the criminals. The problem is that the politicians would rather waste your tax money on useless things like replacing emergency equipment every other year, instead using what still works.

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ORIGINAL: christine1

i wasn't trying to pit one country against another...you misunderstood my post.  it was the haughtiness that i replied to. 

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

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ORIGINAL: airborne92

beargonewild, there are few things in this country that make it much different than Canada. First the courts have ruled over and over that the police are not required to protect any individual citizen. So demanding better police protection is pointless. Second, firearms have been a part of this country's culture since it was founded.

SirRober, the problem is not that the police can't get firepower equal to or superior to that of the criminals. The problem is that the politicians would rather waste your tax money on useless things like replacing emergency equipment every other year, instead using what still works.

What I was trying to get across is that we Canadians, for the  most part do hire law enforcement officers to protect the community from illegal activity of all sorts. Thus we automatically believe that this also entails protecting the individual citizen and the community as a whole. Yes, The history of the US does include the right to bear arms. In our constitution, that was never written in when Canada was a first born and even though our Constitution had revisions, the right to bear arms has never been added. So in a nut shell, the Canadian mentality evolved to be one of passivity. By this I mean that we have a tendency to negotiate, negotiate, discuss and further discuss. That is just who we are as Canadians, generally speaking.

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

~FR~

As I read through all the opinions on this topic, one glaring issue I see is the many posters say they carry a firearm for personal protection. I have to ask in all seriousness, are most of the towns and cities in the US that dangerous that a private citizen feels they need to be armed? I am Canadian and realize that our laws concerning firearms isn't the same as the Americans. Yet the one thing which is quite alike between our countries is the fact that in our larger cities we too have gang shootings and such; whether it's in Moncton, Toronto, Saskatoon or Vancouver. Yet most Canadians will either demand better police action to prevent future shootings and in the meantime avoid these areas which are high risk areas. Chances are, my opinions here won't mean dick squat to many of the posters here. I just had to express my thoughts on this subject again even if it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

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ORIGINAL: SirRober

I think that if the police were more accountable then there would be less of a problem..... but it is hard for the force(pd) to maintain a strong presence when the firepower of some people/gangs is better or stronger then theirs.

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ORIGINAL: christine1

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ORIGINAL: nursygirl

sigh. I live in Canda. I watch American news. on February 13th an 8th grade student went into the lab at school and shot his buddy in the back of the head.at 8:15 min the morning. The last I heard was the child was declared brain dead and being kept alive by machines for organ donation.

Would of it made the news if the kid stabbed him in the back of the head with an icepick ? What we really need in this country is icepick control.

Some of the most restrictive gun control laws America has are for school campus's. The end result is some suicidal ass gets to kill a dozen other students before offing himself because he knows there is zero chance he'll be challenged by an armed opponent.

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University of Illinois - same week. Student walks in and starts shooting. 17 (I think) dead - many others wounded.

Yes, U of I was a free fire zone. aka gun free zone. Funny, criminals don't follow gun laws either. Who would of thought ?

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Again that week: A nine year old is playing in the backyard with his sister. She has the potato chips He wants them. She says no. He shoots her in the head.

I shot my sister in the head with a toy gun, nothing happened. Obviously, there were irresponsible or absent parents involved in the above example.

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You people can argue for the right to carry arms all you like - but I should point out that these types of stories almost NEVER originiate in Canada.

Yes, but not much of anything originates in Canada.

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You can come and visit - but your guns are NOT WELCOME here. And yes - I realize I do not speak for all Canadians. I speak for my children who are horrified at what happens at school, and for my husband who is a teacher in a school with no metal detectors

Yes, quite the pain in the ass when a private pilot flies from the continental 48 to Alaska, where in Alaska, gun carriage on-board private aircraft is mandated. (Polar bears and Grizzly show no preference in eating liberals or conservatives (we all taste like bacon) so in Alaska we have reasonable non-emotional gun laws).

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huh....guess all of us dumbass, violent Americans should move to the great white north and become perfect ay?

No, someone needs to defend Canada's only non-arctic border. If we all go there, they might have to do something rash like have a reasonable size infantry and nuclear icbm capability.

(in reply to christine1)

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ORIGINAL: Lumus
Y'all have a democracy, so by rights if the majority wants better laws, why wouldn't you get them?