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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 2:27:07 AM   
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Somehow I always think people are afraid to respond to goreans...but do respond to other difficult questions..
IS that just a feeling I have or is it true?



I'm not afraid to respond to Goreans, but I find them to be exclusive, so I don't bother with them at all.

Sometimes I actually see a good thread topic scrolling above and click on it because I want to respond, only to get there and see that it's in the gorean forum, so I just move on. 

What turns me off about them is when they post a thread and put the words "Gorean only" on the subject line.  I think if a thread was started in the general BDSM forum that said "Non-Gorean only", it would be found offensive and probably unacceptable to most of the cm community.



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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:08:29 AM   
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Somehow I always think people are afraid to respond to goreans...but do respond to other difficult questions..
IS that just a feeling I have or is it true?



I'm not afraid to respond to Goreans, but I find them to be exclusive, so I don't bother with them at all.

Sometimes I actually see a good thread topic scrolling above and click on it because I want to respond, only to get there and see that it's in the gorean forum, so I just move on. 

What turns me off about them is when they post a thread and put the words "Gorean only" on the subject line.  I think if a thread was started in the general BDSM forum that said "Non-Gorean only", it would be found offensive and probably unacceptable to most of the cm community.




yes I understand.
"Gorean only"  Sounds like ...give me answers..but make it one I like.


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:13:10 AM   
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Somehow I always think people are afraid to respond to goreans...but do respond to other difficult questions..
IS that just a feeling I have or is it true?



Goreans have this reputation for lobbing the heads off people who respond in ways they don't find agreeable ... That could be it. :)



yes but why have a thread to discuss..when all fear them...lol    ffs we are online..what can happen?


I don't think any one fears them, I certainly do not. Its just on various forums that I have been to if you try to discuss something with them and your not a Gorean they want to have a flame war. So what would be the point? You won't change their minds and they won't change yours. Better to leave them to argue amongst themselves.

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agree also with that. Even as gorean you get your head bitten off..when you don't agree. I know that from experience..lol
But this is a non goerean thread...about them.
And afther I amde the remark...peopel suddenly start to respond...a good thing..and aslong we keep it nice and clean (As we excpect from the goreans) we can say all.
Just don't do personal attacks..and Mods will not bother. (they just warned not to flame war in the gorean forum about this same subject)


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:18:25 AM   
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I was more succinct.


He who dies with the most slaves, wins...

Health,
al-Aswad.



fine for "HE Who"...when "He Who" dies..I take the slaves...guess I win :P


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:25:02 AM   
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He who dies with the most slaves, wins...


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:29:53 AM   
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I have been Mod in several chatrooms and forums. It is always difficult to give subgroups their own part in a forum.
First of al..if they are already the oppositie..they never will coem closer....but if you keep them together...you need strict moderation.
Also people have the right to be with their own "kind" ( < Don't mean kind as a bad thing).

MY opinion..and that is why I stopped modding.....is that all people...from al kinds..should learn to be together and respectfull., Jsut have the mods screen the threads....3 misbehaviours and you are out...how else do you let peopel get used to eachother.
You don't take your kids away from all bad things in the world..NO you learn them what is good and bad ...



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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:33:43 AM   
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should be Gorean  not Gorist  lol




No....


In order to be 'Korean', you have to be from Korea, not 'Kor'.

Crimean.....the Crimea. Phrygian....Phrygia. Cajun....Acadia. 



In order to be 'Gorean', the place would have to be called 'Gorea'.

If one is attempting to identify with 'Gor', the proper term would be 'Gorist', or possibly 'Gorite'.

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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:38:01 AM   
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should be Gorean  not Gorist  lol




No....


In order to be 'Korean', you have to be from Korea, not 'Kor'.

Crimean.....the Crimea. Phrygian....Phrygia.  Agean...Agea.   Cajun....Acadia. 



In order to be 'Gorean', the place would have to be called 'Gorea'.

If one is attempting to identify with 'Gor', the proper term would be 'Gorist', or possibly 'Gorite'.


you forget it is based on sf ;)
so we can be what we want to be  :P

it is the gorean lifestyle  not gorist lifestyle


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:39:03 AM   
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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 3:41:16 AM   
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Like the BuckRogersean lifestyle?


lol smartass

(btw I loved the little robot he had haha / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiki )


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 4:08:07 AM   
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I'm sort of with MissAiden...I know what I think the difference is, but I'm pretty sure it's an opinion that would just piss lots of people off.


people are pissed off all the time in other threads too




True...you'll notice that I'm not the cause of it though :P


Sheesh SophiaCorrupted - no way you could piss any right-minded person off. And I so like the slave-silks you wear in your pic!

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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 5:38:29 AM   
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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 5:41:52 AM   
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I'm not sure Goreans have anything to do with BDSM (though some may practice it).  Personally, I view them kinda like hard-care Trekkies. 


perhaps I should draw pointy ears on my picture then..


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 5:47:30 AM   
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perhaps I should draw pointy ears on my picture then..


Are you  a hard-core Trekkie?  Don't forget the slanty eyebrows, too. 

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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 6:44:31 AM   
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perhaps I should draw pointy ears on my picture then..


Are you  a hard-core Trekkie?  Don't forget the slanty eyebrows, too. 



those I have already :P


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 8:43:51 AM   
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My question is, why do people get their panties in a bunch over this trivial crap? I don't consider myself as a member of the BDSM community despite my interest in d/s relationships. I don't feel they're necessarily related. But I don't get offended when someone groups them together. Why? Because, as I once read on a very wise coffee mug, everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion.

Because you're dealing with a belief system, a world view.  For many of the Goreans I've talked with, their "philosophy" is more of a creed, a belief system that has taken on near religious proportions.  Its forms a basis for how they view themselves, each other, and the world in general.  It becomes the framework for many of their beliefs and opinions.  Consider all that when you consider their reaction to any challenge to their philosophy.  Its very much akin to someone telling a Christian that the bible is just a book of fiction and the reactions you get, the hostility and defensiveness, are both rooted in the same reasons.

For many who are involved in BDSM, its not a basis for a philosophy or world view, its merely one aspect of their lives.  If that one aspect is challenged or ridiculed, its far less of a threat to their self image.  But for many Goreans, being Gorean isn't a singular aspect of who they are, its a common belief that they incorporate into as many aspects of their life and their world view as possible.  So when that gets challenged or ridiculed, a far larger portion of their life and self image is being attacked, hence the predictably stronger reaction.

I suppose that's the simplest answer to the OP's question... the difference between BDSM and Gor is simply this... BDSM tends to be only one aspect of a person's life... Gor tends to form a basis for the self image and world view, the style of life, of an individual.  BDSM is a kink, Gor has become a belief system.

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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 8:48:05 AM   
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I suppose that's the simplest answer to the OP's question... the difference between BDSM and Gor is simply this... BDSM tends to be only one aspect of a person's life... Gor tends to form a basis for the self image and world view, the style of life, of an individual. BDSM is a kink, Gor has become a belief system.


I guess the answer is not as eassy as you want it to be...because I for one don't agree with it.
BDSM a kink?  Gor..not a kink?
It is not like..I want to cum..so lets to BDSM





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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 8:55:26 AM   
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Also, if you can state your opinion without being offensive, which admittedly takes some oratory acrobatics, I'd really be appreciative in that.  I've heard theirs, and received it as openly as any person can, but would like some honest feedback from others.  Anyone brave enough to help?


Goreans consider themselves to adhere to a philosophy laid out in the John Norman novels.  It is a philosophy that bears much resemblance to our myth of cowboys.  Strong independent men who protect their home and property.  Home is defined as their "homestone".  They value honor and integrity highly and look at cruelty as a negative and or weak trait in a man.  They would honor and respect a noble enemy far higher than a brother who was weak and cruel to his women.

They feel that women are born and need to submit to men.  They allow "freewomen" however to own property and be equal on some level to men.  Men who choose to submit or the women who dominate them get less than gracious acceptance.

They value grace in women highly, passion properly timed and displayed, and a certain spirit in their women.  They have elaborate rituals around slaves and slavery.


All the above is great stuff, none of it was invented (other than the mythical planet) by Norman and none of it is unique to Gor, however, as a cohesive worldview, it is.  I actually like much of the above as broad concepts I just don't like the rigidity around certain things such as the women born to submit bit and the dismissal of male submissives.

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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 8:57:46 AM   
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Also, if you can state your opinion without being offensive, which admittedly takes some oratory acrobatics, I'd really be appreciative in that.  I've heard theirs, and received it as openly as any person can, but would like some honest feedback from others.  Anyone brave enough to help?


Goreans consider themselves to adhere to a philosophy laid out in the John Norman novels.  It is a philosophy that bears much resemblance to our myth of cowboys.  Strong independent men who protect their home and property.  Home is defined as their "homestone".  They value honor and integrity highly and look at cruelty as a negative and or weak trait in a man.  They would honor and respect a noble enemy far higher than a brother who was weak and cruel to his women.

They feel that women are born and need to submit to men.  They allow "freewomen" however to own property and be equal on some level to men.  Men who choose to submit or the women who dominate them get less than gracious acceptance.

They value grace in women highly, passion properly timed and displayed, and a certain spirit in their women.  They have elaborate rituals around slaves and slavery.


All the above is great stuff, none of it was invented (other than the mythical planet) by Norman and none of it is unique to Gor, however, as a cohesive worldview, it is.  I actually like much of the above as broad concepts I just don't like the rigidity around certain things such as the women born to submit bit and the dismissal of male submissives.


yes and I would like to add this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor

btw if you don't like the books....watch the movie  ;)  (although it was as bad)


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RE: Gorean's??? - 2/24/2008 9:02:58 AM   
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I have to question this...

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I suppose that's the simplest answer to the OP's question... the difference between BDSM and Gor is simply this... BDSM tends to be only one aspect of a person's life... Gor tends to form a basis for the self image and world view, the style of life, of an individual.  BDSM is a kink, Gor has become a belief system.


That is exactly why I have an issue with gorians.  BDSM has its worldview as well.  We worry about consensuality of even vanillas.  We stress honesty and communication.  We prefer openness and acceptance of others.  The list goes on.

We are no better at doing this universally than the Gor folk or anyone else but that doesn't invalidate it as a world view.

Gor is a kinky version of Ayn Rand and in that sense, yes, it is a belief system but it certainly isn't unique in being one.

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