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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 8:32:47 PM   
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It's a numbers game.
 
A reasonably subtantial percentage of men that are not jerks are:
a) clingy, b) boring, c) bad in bed ... or any combination of the three.
 
You can deal with a jerk ...
example a, b & c, are enough to make a girl want to open a vein.


Interesting Perspective ... seems about right.

As for when the girl/woman is young/inexperienced:
There is that silly notion that their 'jerk' can be redeemed through 'love'.

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 8:45:16 PM   
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Women are the ones making a massive mistake here and not realizing the consequences of their actions.

caitlyn said it right here in this thread that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."

<snippage>


caitlyn did NOT say that.

What she said was ~

A reasonably subtantial percentage of men that are not jerks are:
a) clingy, b) boring, c) bad in bed ...

Note ~

"reasonably subtantial percentage of "
---followed by---
"men that are not jerks are:" 

She did not say ALL, or even MOST.

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 8:51:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiyari

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Women are the ones making a massive mistake here and not realizing the consequences of their actions.

caitlyn said it right here in this thread that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."

<snippage>


caitlyn did NOT say that.

What she said was ~

A reasonably subtantial percentage of men that are not jerks are:
a) clingy, b) boring, c) bad in bed ...

Note ~

"reasonably subtantial percentage of "
---followed by---
"men that are not jerks are:" 

She did not say ALL, or even MOST.


To be accurate, then, neither did cyberdude. All he said was "caitlyn said it right here in this thread that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."

His only mis-type was using "and" instead of a series of commas followed by "or any combination of the three."

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 8:55:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Men always complain about the OTHER jerks that women are dating. 

It's ridiculous. 

I might take threads like this seriously
if someone ever complained about the jerk that his OWN girlfriend is dating.




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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:05:12 PM   
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Can I add:
d) often slant my meaning
 
???

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:06:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joanus
I observered in highschool
that girls would rather date fat ugly mean guys,
than the fit nice guys.

WTF is up with that?

I will never understand women.


'fit nice guys'?

Oh, this has just GOT to be some 'Fox Fair And Balanced' rendition

On the flip side,
you may come to have a BETTER understanding of women, eventually

You are too young to use NEVER with any frequency, honest!

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:09:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It seems to me
that if they have a heterosexual nature,
women have to like jerks, it goes with the territory,

their only choice.... 
otherwise they would like pussies, right?

Ron


For a fella with a binary Avatar, yer logic is Indisputable

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:10:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiyari


As for when the girl/woman is young/inexperienced:
There is that silly notion that their 'jerk' can be redeemed through 'love'.


Or through something else...

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20080224.html

(It is in the archives now, the old link is no longer relevant to this topic)

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:12:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Whenever there is a compatibility issue I am the jerk. She can't be a bitch, noooooooo

Jeff


Erm, aint that because,
if there WERE compatibility,
THEN she would be 'the bitch'?

*confuzzled*



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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:15:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
It's interesting how mostly each gender blames the other for this.


*shrug*  Society trains people to associate "masculinity" with being unfeeling and cruel.  Women who were raised without proper masculine role models tend to seek men of this sort just to express their  heterosexuality...at least until they learn through trial and error that lack of empathy and a desire to cause others pain are not really "masculine" qualities.

The mystique of the Jerk fades the instant that people of either gender stop associating it with being a Real Man.

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:21:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smith117

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiyari

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Women are the ones making a massive mistake here and not realizing the consequences of their actions.

caitlyn said it right here in this thread that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."

<snippage>


caitlyn did NOT say that.

What she said was ~

A reasonably subtantial percentage of men that are not jerks are:
a) clingy, b) boring, c) bad in bed ...

Note ~

"reasonably subtantial percentage of "
---followed by---
"men that are not jerks are:" 

She did not say ALL, or even MOST.


To be accurate, then, neither did cyberdude.

All he said was
"caitlyn said it right here in this thread
that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."

His only mis-type was
using "and" instead of a series of commas followed by "or any combination of the three."



READING COMPREHENSION ALERT!!!!

Show me the 'and' in your quoting of cyberdude?

Honestly, 'boring' and 'clingy' are waaay sufficient unto themselves.

btw, the "or any combination of the three", were not cyberdude's words

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:35:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiyari

READING COMPREHENSION ALERT!!!!

Show me the 'and' in your quoting of cyberdude?

Honestly, 'boring' and 'clingy' are waaay sufficient unto themselves.

btw, the "or any combination of the three", were not cyberdude's words



It is right there between 'clingy' and 'bad' in both the original and the quote.

Had he left out that 'and', then substituting:
{"...boring, clingy, bad in bed...or any one of the three..."}  

may have more clearly conveyed the same message as:
{"...a) clingy, b) boring, c) bad in bed ..."}. 

Capisce?

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 9:43:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiyari

As for when the girl/woman is young/inexperienced:
There is that silly notion that their 'jerk' can be redeemed through 'love'.


What if it has nothing to do with love and more to do with morals being violated?

Quote from my earlier post:
Women stay with jerks for different reasons. In my case, it was my morals that kept me around. Friends with benefits is one of my hard limits because it conflicts with my morals. His idea was to "work toward a relationship." He was very careful not to refer to me as "friend" or "bondage buddy" until after he had started receiving  the benefits. Since it was too late because it had already happened,  I felt like my only option was to get him to briefly stop thinking of me as a buddy  (even if it was less than a week). That way I could walk away with my morals intact and without feeling like a worthless tramp.

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 10:07:52 PM   
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OK, now that we covered safety/security, fear, low self-esteem, fatal optimism, drugs/alcohol, history of abuse, lack of healthy male role-model, need for entertainment, space and hard core fucking that the majority of nice guys do not provide...and if we didn't cover all that we have now...here is my somewhat comical but also possibly valid theory as to why this sometimes happens.

Consider that many women (and men) do not always know themselves very well at all, and i mean holistically...emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically, etc...however, for the purposes of not making this even more long winded than it will already be, i will focus this particular example on the physical...i am sure most of you can see how it could be any of the other aspects of ourselves or any combination.

Let's say that this woman does not have a very good understanding of exactly what gets her off...what makes her cum. She might find herself addicted to a jerk because a jerk will shamelessly FUCK her and it gets her off. Because she does not know herself well, she thinks this is "chemistry"...a magical connection that only the two of them share. (For some reason this particular thought process can take place repeatedly...in other words, the woman maybe had this happen to her before...and liked the sex then too, but somehow that never helps her to understand that there are other men she would also enjoy sex with...so each and every new jerk is also the new "one and only"...i have no explanation for this.) Unfortunately, jerks often are wild when it comes to sex...but it is not because they are superior lovers, practiced and studied, thoughtful and knowledgable...it is because they do not give a shit at all. Keep in mind that many women they have been with probably did not enjoy the sex. A truly powerful lover (and not just a jerk that happens to be hitting the right spot because he is not a nice guy so he just fucking grabbed her hair and shoved her legs into that position and just happens to be pounding just the right spot that she never found because she never looked and she never asked a nice guy to try it even though she fantasized about it her whole life) studies each partner.

This thought is reaffirmed by the fact that when she does try and make herself go out with a nice guy she is never fulfilled in the bedroom. She thinks there is no chemistry, or maybe she thinks he is a bad lover.

In my opinion, it is very possible that she is the below average lover, and that if she only took the time to get to know her body better she would discover its secrets and be able to share them. When you know what gets you off you can teach any nice guy how to do it. The only reason the nice guy didn't do those things in the first place is precisely because he is nice. If you communicate, and you let him know you like it, and that it is OK, then he will GLADLY do it.

You see, there is something fundamentally true of most men...Dom, sub, switch, vanilla, straight, guy, bi, etc...they all get a thrill out of getting their partner off.

When he realizes she likes it...unless the request is truly something he is not interested in at all, he will be very eager to do it.

I would like to define it as anything and everything that gets you off. All of it.

Now, if you translate all of that into some other aspect, it still applies. Emotional: If someone does not know about themselves that they crave humiliation, for example...the body gets what it needs one way or another. Many women in abusive relationships are masochists that don't realize it and have never had any exposure to the concept of consensual and healthy BDSM. Spiritual: If a woman was unaware of her spiritual need for enlightenment through trials of the body and emotional self...you see? Mental: Some of us have a mentality that leads us to always want to help, save, fix. ...you see how this leads down the same path? If a woman with this mentality is completely aware of it, she can fulfill in in healthy ways...like helping to build houses for the homeless, or donating time to charities.

In the end, it is all about self evaluation and giving ourselves the time we need to figure out just exactly what we do want, instead of allowing ourselves to be swept away by "chemistry" that only happened on accident.



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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 10:15:55 PM   
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Last time I ran into the OP on a thread, he was whining about not getting any action, and taking a position completely unrelated to reality.  Things ain't changed much.

My absolute 100% experience about kinky dating, confirmed again and again, is that NICE GUYS FINISH FIRST.  Besides, I don't consider being boring or bad in bed traits of a "nice" person.  If you're nice, you're attentive to the needs of others.  That means figuring out how to keep the lady entertained at the restaurant, and in the bedroom.

Just think about how much "On your knees bitch" DOESN'T work as a first-line email.  Respect, sincerity, emotional generosity -- with a hard core of quiet dominance -- get the gals a-tingling.  If "nice" means "not assertive" -- well, shit, I wouldn't want that in a sub.  Why would a woman look for that in a Dom?


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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 10:17:50 PM   
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Sure thing...I'll even bold it and underline it for you. Since you've indicated you need assistance with reading comprehension.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiyari

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Women are the ones making a massive mistake here and not realizing the consequences of their actions.

caitlyn said it right here in this thread that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."



READING COMPREHENSION ALERT!!!!

Show me the 'and' in your quoting of cyberdude?

Honestly, 'boring' and 'clingy' are waaay sufficient unto themselves.

btw, the "or any combination of the three", were not cyberdude's words

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/25/2008 11:40:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smith117

Sure thing...I'll even bold it and underline it for you. Since you've indicated you need assistance with reading comprehension.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiyari

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Women are the ones making a massive mistake here and not realizing the consequences of their actions.
caitlyn said it right here in this thread that nice guys are "boring, clingy, and bad in bed."



READING COMPREHENSION ALERT!!!!

Show me the 'and' in your quoting of cyberdude?

Honestly, 'boring' and 'clingy' are waaay sufficient unto themselves.

btw, the "or any combination of the three", were not cyberdude's words



Yay for your ability to figure out how to BOLD a word. 

HOWEVER, what you have BOLDED, is cyberdude's paraphrasing of her words.

What caitlyn actually posted was:

It's a numbers game.
 
A reasonably subtantial percentage of men that are not jerks are:
a) clingy, b) boring, c) bad in bed ... or any combination of the three. 

...so: show me the 'AND'... ?

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/26/2008 12:12:45 AM   
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Either it is past your bedtime or you are deliberately being obtuse...

You wrongly challenged the fact that the word 'and' was in Smith's quote of cyberdude, now you are claiming it wasn't in caitlyn's, which was never at issue.... she didn't need it because she had categorized.
When cyberdude used 'and', there was some room for confusion.

And Smith suggested a better paraphrase that would remove the need for 'and', making your other challenge that those words(or any combination of the three) actually appeared, also a non-issue.


I think

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/26/2008 12:15:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Either it is past your bedtime or you are deliberately being obtuse...

You wrongly challenged the fact that the word 'and' was in Smith's quote of cyberdude, now you are claiming it wasn't in caitlyn's, which was never at issue.... she didn't need it because she had categorized.
When cyberdude used 'and', there was some room for confusion.

And Smith suggested a better paraphrase that would remove the need for 'and', making your other challenge that those words(or any combination of the three) actually appeared, also a non-issue.


I think


Aighty... so do please make it a simple thing for me ~

What is/was the question/accusation?

Thankee

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RE: So why do women like jerks? - 2/26/2008 1:29:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Men always complain about the OTHER jerks that women are dating.  It's ridiculous.  I might take threads like this seriously if someone ever complained about the jerk that his OWN girlfriend is dating.


my husband, on the subject:

"i'm not an asshole, i'm the whole ass.  but i'm honest about the fact and you can either accept me as i am or hit the road."

kitten, shrugging.

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