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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 4:26:52 PM   
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This prize should be given to Jimmy Carter for all the wonderfully humanitarian things he did, and denied the Dipshit in Chief, who killed people and blew things up.



Here's a tid bit of a fact for you about your humanitarian and wonderful leader Carter. If he had not been so concerned in politics and had allowed Chuck's (Charley Beckwith) Kids to do their job without the circus of getting all the armed forces involved in the mission we wouldn't have had to abort rescuing the hostages. His lack of vision and leadership made a mess of a simple extraction.

Just ask an old Delta Force operative how he feels about Marine chopper pilots, duststorms in Persia and buddies lost because soemone was in an operation that he had no business in. See what happens when a guy wants to borrow a CH53 and get's forced taking the crew too.

If you want to dump all of the details of this tenure on Bush, take a good look at the history of your champion.

Group has all its own assets and doesn't need outside help beyond the typical attachments. A BUD drinkers.

Carter was an idiot, his peace prize a rouge.

But that's just a personal saga of my own,

Bull

Had this all been done the way it should have been done, Reagan wouldn't have got credit for anything, so stuff a sock in it bipolarber.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 4:34:42 PM   
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Well if it's important to you to argue that President Carter is the 2nd worse President this country has ever had instead of the 1st - I'll be first to stipulate to that.



He doesnt even hold a candle to the luminaries, but if you are as well versed in history as you sometimes claim to be, you would know that and just be seeking with this goading to try to get me to defend somebody I didnt much care for when he was in office.

As Cheney pointed out in 1991, one goes to war with the military built by their predecessor.  That means Carter built Reagan's military.  He didnt seem to remember this little factoid when the Dipshit in Chief used Clinton's military to destroy Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Afghanistan.

Handy pop quiz for you, Merc.  Name one (1) major scientific accomplishment or military technology advance which was conceived under, developed under, funded, and put to use by the previous Republican-controlled Congress or mandated by your idol, AnencephalyBoy.  bipolarber gave you 4 that were enacted, funded, and developed when the LIBERALs (that would be the Democrats, for those playing the home game) controlled both Congress and the White House.

I can give you a bunch that the Republicans put into action knowing they were not technologically feasible, but that it would keep the Aerospaz companies in the clover for decades if Congress funded them, but never worked, like Star Wars, if you are interested.

For all your hawkish rants, the rubber doesnt seem to meet the road when it comes time for the Republican's to build our military or prepare us for war. 

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 4:51:10 PM   
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As Cheney pointed out in 1991, one goes to war with the military built by their predecessor.  That means Carter built Reagan's military. 



With Carters Military we went to war in Grenada, we could have done that with the Rhode Island Natioanl Guard, I kinda recall that one too.

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He didnt seem to remember this little factoid when the Dipshit in Chief used Clinton's military to destroy Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Afghanistan.



Uhmmm, the Military that folks keep going on about being under manned, under trained, under funded and under equipped? Hmmm, ok then.

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Handy pop quiz for you, Merc.  Name one (1) major scientific accomplishment or military technology advance which was conceived under, developed under, funded, and put to use by the previous Republican-controlled Congress or mandated by your idol, AnencephalyBoy.  bipolarber gave you 4 that were enacted, funded, and developed when the LIBERALs (that would be the Democrats, for those playing the home game) controlled both Congress and the White House.



You think that taking credit for the natural advancement of military technoligy is acredited to a Political Party?

Afuckinmazing............. You do realize that it doesn't matter who is in office GD, Colt, Bell, Lockheed and a whole host of others are working on the next way to do death better. Are you really having that much trouble looking for something to hang political hat on.

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For all your hawkish rants, the rubber doesnt seem to meet the road when it comes time for the Republican's to build our military or prepare us for war. 



Just a bit of advice, never leave the future of the military in the hands of ANY politician, they are gifted at trading things away to get half of a something in return.

Ever Guard a border with tape over your magazine while the enemy is all locked and loaded.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 4:57:38 PM   
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Uhmmm, the Military that folks keep going on about being under manned, under trained, under funded and under equipped? Hmmm, ok then.



Weird.

This administration and the people who go on about all those things lie about almost everything.

But because this feeds your confirmation bias that the Dipshit In Chief is second only to Julius Caesar in terms of military savvy, you are going with it.

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Just a bit of advice, never leave the future of the military in the hands of ANY politician, they are gifted at trading things away to get half of a something in return.



What does that have to do with the fact that cruise missiles and Kevlar were developed and provided to the military by democrats?

Sinergy


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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 4:58:48 PM   
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Sinergy,
It is good to see you don't challenge any of the facts regarding your hero - President Carter. So, you need to change the subject - usual tactic - to one of "major scientific accomplishment"? Well, I'm not a scientist and never been in the military - I state quite simply and clearly - I Do Not Know.

However, what "war" did President Reagan go to with President Carter decimated military? You aren't pointing to the rescued pre-med students are you? Jeez - that's a stretch even for you. The break up of the USSR was a result of the buildup under President Reagen, the re-building of what was destroyed by that 'Can't Do' President Carter.

Four things an average of 1 per year instantly coming from no prior research and produced magically by President Carter. Well congrats!
  • Funding for development of cruise missiles
  • Kevlar for military use
  • Nightvision tech
  • Predator

Four whole things! Damn, and here I always thought he was a complete failure. In the spirit of full disclosure I'm going to keep that list handy next time any of the issues I raised before in my post come up. And lets not forget the family contributions such as 'Billy Beer'. And he did contribute to culture and industry. Would there have been all those CB radio sales if truckers didn't have to struggle to make a buck under the speed restrictions? Without Carter 'Good Buddy' and all the other CB slang would never have happened. 

All things considered I'd rather not have a Muslim regime run Iran and not need to use those 4 items in that part of the world. Carter accomplished that too. However, I won't subscribe to amending history and crediting Carter with getting the hostages released, unless him leaving office is the act referenced. They were there 444 days BECAUSE of Carter, they were released only because he was gone.

Getting back to subsequent accomplishments, how about a 'run of the mill' accomplishment? Re-unification of Germany and the end of the Berlin wall.

Meanwhile, it appears that 'star wars' worked pretty good last week. Know any other nation that can take out a orbiting satellite? Or was that done in Hollywood?

You seen to need/want to identify me as a Republican. Not a registered or voting one in many years. Sorry! And I have no political "idol" I don't need one as you do, again - Sorry!

Since when is "liberal" now synonymous with Democrat? I think the party would disagree with you, they've distanced themselves from that word and now use 'progressive' - you must have missed the memo. 

And what's this "home-game" you keep playing with yourself?

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:00:37 PM   
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Technically Kevlar and Cruise missles were developed and provided by Corparations which are part of the Millitary Industrial Complex, not Democrats.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:08:42 PM   
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However, what "war" did President Reagan go to with President Carter decimated military?



Thank you for clarifying you dont know what accomplishments the Republicans actually accomplished in terms of military advances or accomplishments, or the history behind what qualifies a President as being "the worst."

Technically, Carter went into the desert to try to free the hostages with Ford's military, according to Cheney.

'Nuff said.

Werent you one of the ones going on and on about how Reagan won the Cold War?

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Meanwhile, it appears that 'star wars' worked pretty good last week. Know any other nation that can take out a orbiting satellite? Or was that done in Hollywood?



China has.  Seems to me that Russia did as well.

Technically, the satellite was de-orbiting, not orbiting. 

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Since when is "liberal" now synonymous with Democrat? I think the party would disagree with you, they've distanced
themselves from that word and now use 'progressive' - you must have missed the memo. 



When the Congress and the White House are controlled by members of the Democratic party, who consider themselves "Liberals."

Faux News and Blather Radio seem pretty insistent on calling Democrats "Liberals."

Which memo are you referring to?

Sinergy




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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:18:39 PM   
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Whooooooooooooooooooooooa good neighbor. You better come back from your tantrum and read my posts in their entirity. Let's get one thing straight. I am not a fan of Bush, I do think he got hit with a shit load of crap during his years that most wouldn't wish on an enemy.

That being said he has blundered his way through this,m one fuck up after another trying so hard to make it look and feel like he was in charge. In the process he ran off his best asset and kept the idiot Rumsfeld. Now they were both working with a depleted military and as is the way with politics attempted to blame another man for their fuck ups. Ever wonder why I like being a Gorean even at the expense of ridicule? I like honest men filled with integrity. Men that no bullshit tell it like it is. Men that aren't looking for an angle to improve their position, they work on their own merits or not at all.

Now knowing that how many of your politicians or anyone elses do you think I have been impressed with? So don't assume to think for me. Bush is the man right now, the Warrior in me attempts to defend his honor as he represents my Home Stone. I don't have to like it, its a fact, that doesn't mean I'm giving him a free pass either.

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Weird.

This administration and the people who go on about all those things lie about almost everything.

But because this feeds your confirmation bias that the Dipshit In Chief is second only to Julius Caesar in terms of military savvy, you are going with it.



George W. isn't all that savy on a great many things and this damn sure includes the Military, and that's why I don't want another man with limited to no sense of what it is to be a Warrior at a time when we are at war. So don't lump me into some group that defends W as a Warrior. He's been doing the learn as you go program and as unpredictable as war is, to have absolutely no to only limited  base to draw from leaves you way behind the grading curve all that way from get go. I don't like W for a great many things, but he's what we got and we either work with him constructively or we piss in the street out front of the Whitehouse and act like children wanting to get our way.


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What does that have to do with the fact that cruise missiles and Kevlar were developed and provided to the military by democrats?



Again, read the whole post, there were sentences that qualified the one you highlighted. The fact is that neither political party provides shit as if they gave it to us personally. They are supposed to be Americans looking after their own, not politicians seeking credit for the natural developement of technoligy. To take credit for the efforts of scientists is positively ridiculous and grandstanding.

Come on Sinergy I thought you were smarter than that.

Bull

a few edits for gramar so I am nit terribly misunderstood

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:23:39 PM   
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News flash for all of the people believing that the Carter Administration is responsible for night vision....you are fools. Night vision was developed back during WW2 by the Germans.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:28:09 PM   
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To take credit for the efforts of scientists is positively ridiculous and grandstanding.



This is not entirely true.

Scientists developing things frequently (not always) do so using Government funding which they get from Congress.

The word "blunder" is the best description of the Republican Congress of the past umpteen years and everything that the Dipshit In Chief has tried to do.

Kennedy, Carter, and Clinton funded things like educational programs, while the Republicans almost invariably cut them to do things like invade Iraq.

I am surprised that one who professes to honor the Home Stone would have anything but contempt for a bunch of people in the Executive and Legislative branches who tell lies constantly and dissemble while they rob those they are responsible for blind.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:33:25 PM   
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Ok, I've witnessed something new, or maybe not so new about you.

I come here for somewhat logical discourse, but my agenda would be to solve problems, or learn new things.

I've done that in part with you this evening, I am not a fan of spin to confuse the issue, its a political tactic of those that are incapable of accomplishing things with the truth or meritorious effort.

I wish you well,

Bull

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 5:53:40 PM   
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I apologize for the comments about your values and your Hearth Stone.  We were having a discussion about something outside of ourselves and I made it personal, and for this I am sorry.  All people must follow their heart and their head and their path. 

While yours may seem odd to me, I respect your right to do what you feel you must.

Be well.

Sinergy




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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/27/2008 6:50:08 PM   
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I was thinking more of Carter's miserable failure at hostage rescuing, but that's a fair point too, luckydog.

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According to Chomsky, Carter is the one who started funding the Mujahdeen against the Soviet backed coup Government, and intentionally got the USSR to invade.   Hardly seems like a Peace Prize deserving action and legacy.  But they admitted it was just a political thing, nothing to do with his actuall acomplishments.


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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 7:09:20 AM   
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Synergy, wanted to preface this by saying beth & I hope to see you tonight at the South Bay munch at Bob's in Torrance.

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Thank you for clarifying you dont know what accomplishments the Republicans actually accomplished in terms of military advances or accomplishments, or the history behind what qualifies a President as being "the worst."
That a stretching non sequitur even for you. I guess by your criteria Richard Nixon should be given 'credit' for landing on the moon since it happened during his term? Wasn't that the criteria for your President Carter "successes". Oh yeah, I forgot, your 'one-true-way-ism' religion does not subject you to apply the same argument for others that you use if it doesn't fit. 

Appreciating your lack of understanding, I said "I did not know" - not that there weren't any. It was not germane for what we were discussing to make it worth looking up. I accepted the 4 big sited Carter accomplishments. Listing any from the other side wouldn't serve any point I was trying to make.

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Technically, Carter went into the desert to try to free the hostages with Ford's military, according to Cheney. 'Nuff said.
A miserable failure of LEADERSHIP, appreciating you have not argued that point from the beginning.

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Werent you one of the ones going on and on about how Reagan won the Cold War?
Appreciating you've offered no counter argument. Wait - lets use the 'Carter Logic' - It happened while he was president so he did. Or, in this case I guess you'd use the 'one true way' method and say, it happened because of the prior administration - and give Carter credit.

I must say Sinergy - now I understand why you can't ever be wrong. Logic like that makes it impossible.

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China has.  Seems to me that Russia did as well.
Technically, the satellite was de-orbiting, not orbiting.
They did? When? Where? I didn't know there was another de-orbiting satellite. And really Synergy, are you so worried something being pointed out contrary to your religious belief that the semantics between 'orbiting' and 'de-orbiting' make a difference?

The OP topic is stagflation. Let's see the results of the latest Democratic maneuvering. They want to raise the tax on oil companies. The House approved an $18 Billion tax plan. How do you thing that will be paid? Increased cost at the pump. More cost to the consumer.

Now lets look at Ethanol.
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Achieving the 15 percent goal would require the entire current U.S. corn crop, which represents a whopping 40 percent of the world's corn supply. Source:http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=1680  
Impact - increased food cost to the consumer. But that's not all. Transporting ethanol is much more difficult and much more dangerous. It is also VERY expensive.

Your "clean car" running on electricity produced by coal. Meanwhile Harry Ried wants to shut coal power plants down. Of course the coal industry is spending tons of money on this year's political campaigns. The number 1 and number 2 donation recipients? #1 Senator Clinton, #2 Senator Obama, in the spirt of fairness #3 Senator McCain. They are spending a LOT of money. Increasing the cost of coal, increasing the cost of energy. BTW, the ability to be energy self sufficient can happen tomorrow if coal was exploited to its full potential.

The cause of stagflation is tax and regulation. Worse - it doesn't impact people who own companies or corporations, it impact consumers of goods and services. It is really not that complicated a economic formula. Add a tax to my business and I still want the same bottom line, and I raise my cost to you. When you do it to an entire industry - the result is higher cost to you and, believe it or not higher profits to the industry. How does that happen? Well, when the cost resulting from taxation raises the cost of the goods, there is less demand for those goods because people just can't afford them. Result - layoffs, result - less overhead, sometimes closed factories or factories relocated outside the taxing country, result - increased corporate profits, result - consumer 'stagflation'.

The simple mindedness of the tax the corporate religion is akin to worshiping fire. Its a function of economic ignorance.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 8:06:51 AM   
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Technically Kevlar and Cruise missles were developed and provided by Corparations which are part of the Millitary Industrial Complex, not Democrats.


Funded by Congress, which was controlled by the Democrats.

Next...

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 8:23:05 AM   
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Your "clean car" running on electricity produced by coal. Meanwhile Harry Ried wants to shut coal power plants down. Of course the coal industry is spending tons of money on this year's political campaigns. The number 1 and number 2 donation recipients? #1 Senator Clinton, #2 Senator Obama, in the spirt of fairness #3 Senator McCain. They are spending a LOT of money. Increasing the cost of coal, increasing the cost of energy. BTW, the ability to be energy self sufficient can happen tomorrow if coal was exploited to its full potential.



Where did I ever make a comment about my "clean car?"  Now you are putting words in my mouth that never came out of it.

As far as donation recipients, the term "hedging one's bets" comes to mind.  Perhaps Big Coal is covering their ass by donating to the party that stands poised to move in to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on the 20th of February, 2009.

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The cause of stagflation is tax and regulation.



Reminds me of the dozens or hundreds of reasons given for the fall of the Roman Empire.  Generally promoted by one-true-way types (like Edward Gibbon) whose general methodology in discussions is to insist that reality is either their way or the highway. 

It is interesting to read your contention that taxing and regulation have caused stagflation, while completely ignoring things like a stupid invasion and occupation of a foreign country, cutting interest rates, high risk loans to consumers, borrowing money from China, the doubling of the cost of a barrel of crude oil, the destruction of oil refineries on the gulf coast, and the Corporatocracy raping the treasury.

Please clarify why, if taxes and regulation cause stagflation, havent the numerous tax cuts and the deregulation by the Republicans and the Dipshit in Chief prevented it?

Sinergy

p.s.  We hope to go to the munch, but as I have posted elsewhere, I had surgery last week and it depends on my energy level as the day goes on.


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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 9:31:31 AM   
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It is interesting to read your contention that taxing and regulation have caused stagflation, while completely ignoring things like a stupid invasion and occupation of a foreign country, cutting interest rates, high risk loans to consumers, borrowing money from China, the doubling of the cost of a barrel of crude oil, the destruction of oil refineries on the gulf coast, and the Corporatocracy raping the treasury.

Please clarify why, if taxes and regulation cause stagflation, havent the numerous tax cuts and the deregulation by the Republicans and the Dipshit in Chief prevented it?


I tried editing after posting, because that's what I would have concluded taking the I took in isolation. The issues you raise are, of course, also valid contributory causes.

Of course we should totally abandon the middle east in totality, not just Iraq, and let the countries involved get on with their 5000 year battle to kill each other. I'm thinking the Democratic technology can protect us should Israel run our of counter strike nuclear weapons.

I definitely think all the fools who banked on continuing low interest rates, who bought homes they couldn't afford should be parted from their money. Eliminate the entire house of cards by eliminating the RE interest deduction and you'll have a true market for real estate and for interest rates. Take it a step further and go to a flat tax with a trigger at $35k single $50k couple/family; or a consumption tax. However a 'consumption' tax hurts low income consumers more than any other.

How would you address the Gulf? How do you reconcile the environmentalists with the oil companies wanting to reconstruct the rigs and refineries? Have you read the details regarding the situation? Assuming you are talking about the decreased oil production from the area and not focusing on the government's response time.

If you bother to read the results of past tax cuts and deregulation you'll see that the have had a positive result. Every single time, MORE tax revenue dollars have come into the economy. The result turns negative when the benefiting government spends the benefit on adding to failed social income redistribution programs. The short falls occur when the surplus is used to start a new program, say school lunches, and the program and bureaucracy grows and it becomes an entitlement. Any economic downturn results in a shortage and what was a 'surplus' initiated program becomes an expected entitlement program. That's why these tax cuts fail long term - the politicians, at the behest of their corporate owners, set up corporate benefiting programs. Meanwhile parents no longer think feeding their child is a responsibility, much of the food is tossed out, and the corporate farms and distribution networks continue to pay politicians to keep those programs in place. It happens in food, education, transportation, housing, and financing. The shortages occur because the goal of the Corporate politicians is to have ALL money ultimately pass through the government for distribution back to the Corporations. 

Sometimes they even get inventive and create new 'doomsdays' to create new industries. The latest is 'Global Warming' a industry created by and for the benefit of Corporations. This one is so good and so well thought out, I wish I thought of it. It's a religion, 'faith based' - where non believers are pointed to as pariah, soon to be burned at the stake, if they can figure a way not to do so with carbon offsets. Every 'exceptional' weather occurrence is a 'miracle' attributed to the religion. We really haven't progressed much as a species going from believing a statue cries blood to a glacier melting and interpreting it to suit a religious dogma. I was wondering where all the ex-catholics went.

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We hope to go to the munch, but as I have posted elsewhere, I had surgery last week and it depends on my energy level as the day goes on.
Great! The Bob's munch is a lot less strenuous than the National Sports bar version where there is more walking around and the potential of pool being played.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 9:47:54 AM   
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News flash for all of the people believing that the Carter Administration is responsible for night vision....you are fools. Night vision was developed back during WW2 by the Germans.


Are you suggesting the Germans implemented it in the US military in World War 2?

The discussion revolves around what administration put it into widespread use in our military and started using nighttime combat as the US military's standard practice.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 9:53:47 AM   
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How would you address the Gulf?



I think our involvement in the Gulf is one of the reasons we have Stagflation, and not a minor cause.

Since you asked, I would have used all the money that the Dipshit in Chief used to invade Iraq to rebuild the US infrastructure on an intelligent model, like Europe, which would move us off the Standard Oil / Automobile Company model that is of limited duration and expensive as hell, and to rail based like you see in Chicago or New York.

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RE: Stagflation looming? - 2/28/2008 10:13:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
How would you address the Gulf?

I think our involvement in the Gulf is one of the reasons we have Stagflation, and not a minor cause.

Since you asked, I would have used all the money that the Dipshit in Chief used to invade Iraq to rebuild the US infrastructure on an intelligent model, like Europe, which would move us off the Standard Oil / Automobile Company model that is of limited duration and expensive as hell, and to rail based like you see in Chicago or New York.
Sinergy

The 'Gulf' reference was regarding the Gulf of Mexico, sorry that wasn't obvious.

The total cost of the Gulf WAR is 1% of the GNP. Cutting that 100% won't provide the surplus to do any of the things you mention.

Since you didn't address any of the issues concerning the impact of tax cuts I'll point to them again as a reason why getting out of Persian Gulf will not produce your desired results.

However, focus on just one of the items on your list - 'infrastructure'. Would you support removing all the current environmental impact studies that would be required to accomplish this goal? A few people I know looked into, what is to me, a glaring problem and opportunity, train service from LA to Vegas. Coming from the east coast I was amazed at how it is impossible to take a train to that destination. Why not? It is estimated that it would take 25 years to get construction of such a infrastructure approved through all the bureaucracy and environmental review. By that time, we just may have personal rocket belts.

That situation is not unique. A train line from SF to LA doesn't exist. Subway or light rail between transportation hubs within LA has been stopped repeatedly by environmental obstacles. In beth's neighborhood they wouldn't built a bride, which would cut traffic and distance covered, over a dry river bed because it was supposed to be the home of some unique trout species. I could send a copy of the newspaper picture of her kids with fishing poles standing on bone dry rocks which haven't been wet for 20 years.

The same problem occurs with the nuclear power. It's used extensively in Europe, but in the US it is environmentally cost prohibitive.

The problem is people who point to problems but stand in the way of solutions. People who tell us what we can't do to solve the problem they want fixed because it doesn't fit into their personal agenda represent the most insidious form of hypocrisy.

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