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RE: Mentoring - 3/3/2008 11:47:01 AM   
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Maybe it's because I switched back to Peets' Coffee and not functioning right yet......

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Hey, what the heck is wrong with Peets?? 

I'm drinking of cup of Major Dickason's right now...yum. 

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RE: Mentoring - 3/3/2008 11:49:06 AM   
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A good mentor could help with that coffee issue..:)

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RE: Mentoring - 3/3/2008 12:51:09 PM   
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Maybe it's because I switched back to Peets' Coffee and not functioning right yet......

Z-


Hey, what the heck is wrong with Peets?? 

I'm drinking of cup of Major Dickason's right now...yum. 

Nothing, that's why I switched back, but my body is acting yucky

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RE: Mentoring - 3/3/2008 12:53:13 PM   
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Ohhh...I understand.  Think of it as your body detoxing from the yucky stuff. 

I hope you feel better.

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RE: Mentoring - 3/3/2008 1:36:49 PM   
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~fr~ In this thread I've noticed some people (I won't name check because I dont' want to be on anyone's nutsack-ghetto term LOL- but they know who they are)...have mentioned being mentored but I've also noticed many who talk about mentoring but no mentioned of being mentored, is anyone troubled by may who mention they mentor but never mention being mentored themselves?

Maybe it's because I switched back to Peets' Coffee and not functioning right yet......

Z-


Serious answer here, the number dfferences likely have to do with some folks having noticed a lack of reputable mentors when they were learning and have stepped up to reduce the number of people looking but not finding one.

It's one of my pet peeves that people have tarnished the idea by using the title mentor to draw in prey.  Sometimes I think that those groups who assign a big brother/ big sister to new people, have it right. (assuming the pool of Bigs is reasonably versed in mentoring)

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RE: Mentoring - 3/4/2008 11:24:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

~fr~ In this thread I've noticed some people (I won't name check because I dont' want to be on anyone's nutsack-ghetto term LOL- but they know who they are)...have mentioned being mentored but I've also noticed many who talk about mentoring but no mentioned of being mentored, is anyone troubled by may who mention they mentor but never mention being mentored themselves?

Maybe it's because I switched back to Peets' Coffee and not functioning right yet......

Z-


Serious answer here, the number dfferences likely have to do with some folks having noticed a lack of reputable mentors when they were learning and have stepped up to reduce the number of people looking but not finding one.

It's one of my pet peeves that people have tarnished the idea by using the title mentor to draw in prey.  Sometimes I think that those groups who assign a big brother/ big sister to new people, have it right. (assuming the pool of Bigs is reasonably versed in mentoring)


I agree with that!

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RE: Mentoring - 3/5/2008 7:32:12 PM   
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I am sure that I am going to open a big can of worms here, and probably take some criticisms, but how many Masters(male and female), Doms/Dommes mentored under another to gain better insight and experience. How many currently mentor others. How many are willing to? In this lifestyle that we participate I can't help but notice that so many people feel that all that is needed to become a master is a loud voice and self proclamation. Oh yeah or read a few books.
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Constrictor,

Mentoring here on CM is an underused and mostly misunderstood resource for newcomers,

To be effective in mentoring one must be objective in counsul and make it known that there will be no ulterior motives. Thus it should be on a hands off basis, to insure there is no attachment, other than friend, between the mentor and mentee.

Unfortunately new subs coming into CM are pounced on by the wolfpack before they are even aware that there are Mentors available for counssul.

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Hope it is not disrespectful to post on this thread. But i agree as someone who was not even 100% sure what i was seeking other than to understand myself. i will agree that it is hard to know what to believe. i was bombarded with emails of "good samaritans wanting to help guide me with no motives". lol even offered numerous "protection collars" that is good! i feel confident there are mentors out there who could and would guide without motives but i also feel that they are few and far between. It is sad that as soon as you think you have made a connection (friend whom you could look up to) then comes along something like "do you have yahoo and a cam" or better yet...."tell me what your fantasies are", "in detail please tell me about other experience." Then it is back to the books and forums. It feels much like being a wounded animal hunted by beast instead of "consensual anything". Luckily i have not given up and can count on one hand the wonderful Dom/Domme i have met over the past eight months who are truly friends.

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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 4:31:10 PM   
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"Unfortunately new subs coming into CM are pounced on by the wolfpack before they are even aware that there are Mentors available for counssul." 

You got that right, I just joined a little while ago and it seems like I got a few inquiries from people who simply wanted to - well - and I need to be taught, to learn.  Not all, some are nice.  I'm kinda floundering right now, hoping to stumble into something without getting into trouble. 

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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 8:33:45 PM   
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Archer,

I think I see where we have differences.  Mentoring to me isn't a title, it is a verb.  Identifying as a mentor as opposed to simply being one is where the problems come in, that and "mentoring" new submissives as a dominant.  Sort of like allowing preschool teachers to fuck the kids, it is just wrong.

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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 8:41:29 PM   
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Maybe in a sense, I use Mentor the way many folks use Master. As a relational title, as opposed to an identity title.
You might be my mentor, but that doesn't make you a universal Mentor.

AS I have said many times I really believe that mentor/ protoge' relations should be on the same side of the / mark.
Senior slaves/submissives mentoring junior slaves/ submissives Senior Masters/ Dominants mentoring junior MAsters/ Dominants. After all who knows better how to deal with the questions a junior has one who lives the same way they do or one who has an entirely different type of wireing?







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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 9:10:21 PM   
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OK...say you meet another dominant man who is fantastic at flogging....something that you've always wanted to try.  Say he's also very romantic and sweet with his sub whereas you are the rough and tough type.  I can see learning how to flog from him.  I still can't see how you can learn mental/personality styles in how to dominate from him when you have two completely different personalities and dominating styles.  I can't put it into words.   One is technique to me.  The other is what makes you, you.  How can you learn that from someone?



First I'd like to say, in response to CelticPrince's post....umm, CM has a mentoring program?  And if so, where does one sign up?!?

Aileen, I understand where you're coming from completely.  And I agree that there is a difference between what can be demonstrated and what is organic.  While I have no real experience to offer in the D/s arena, I have been responsible for training and/or mentoring in other capacities.

I view the role of a mentor as less "formal" than that of a teacher, more intimate.  My idea of a good mentor is one who helps you achieve your goals.  Someone who has accomplished similar aspirations, though not necessarily by the same methods.  Someone that shares your love of something and has felt that same excitement and understands your eagerness and has survived that first heartbreak and knows how incredible it is to reach milestones that might not mean a thing to anybody else.  Someone who can tell you how they got where you want to be, what they believe needs to happen to help you get there, and how they got there themself, and then support you while you find your own way.  Or slap you upside the head if they see you heading for a huge mistake!

I will try to provide an example in hopes that it explains what I'm trying to communicate.  Imagine that you want to become an actress.  It has been your lifelong dream.  You have always felt as if you were born to perform, it is when you feel most alive.  You have finished your education and gotten to Hollywood or New York or wherever you decide you need to be to make this dream come true.  Now what??

There are many different types of actors.  Movies, television, Broadway.  Singing actors, dancing actors, comedic actors, character actors, actors that write, actors that direct.  Which one, or ones, of those do you most identify with or aspire to similar careers?

It is my belief that only you can figure out which direction is true for you.  Which of these choices will bring you the most joy and fulfillment.  But once you have an idea of which type of actor (or Dom/me, or sub, or plumber, or whatever) is closest to who you are, I think there can be great value in connecting with someone that is close to where you hope to get.

It can be as simple as hearing about their own journey and being allowed to ask questions freely.  Questions that may never have occurred to you until you heard someone else share an experience they had.  Nobody else can tell you how you'll feel about being flogged, but they can tell you how it was for them.  Perhaps they hated it the first time but came to adore it.  Or maybe they learned that by accepting a certain mindset or moving their body a certain way it was a completely different sensation. 

For some, hearing about mistakes others have made can be a very useful lesson, though some of us (self included) still have to go out and learn the hard way once in a while.  But you may recognize situations or behavior (in yourself or in others) that you may not have otherwise been able to identify as soon or as easily.

As others have pointed out, having someone to bounce ideas off of can be great.  Or having someone you can go to and have your feelings validated or be reassured that yeah, that happened to me...and my friend x...and my cousin's sister's roommate y...and here's how it went for each of us.

I feel like I'm rambling nonsensically at this point, and my attempt at creating an example fell apart about halfway through my post. *sigh*  I hope that I've been of some use though.

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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 10:36:44 PM   
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Aileen....Mentoring someone is not training them. I will admit though that for some mentoring and training go
hand-in-hand.  It's true that a mentor or trainer can't always prepare for the expectations of another Dom or for that matter what a specific sub might be require for her emotional well being.  A mentor or trainer can engage you though and help you understand what might be reguired of you. 

A mentor is there to to sheppard you through the complexities of finding your place in the lifestyle. They are a friend, a guide, and in some cases a protoector. They are not involved with you outside of caring what happens to you. Theoretically, a trainer is there to help you with specific skills. They may be a casual play partner to help you with specific experiences. They may teach you protocol and rituals or how a whip feels on your back. Neither will engage in sex with you.

Having said this, it's very common for a mentor or trainer to forget their role and try to engage you as a partner. Sometimes it's the reverse, a sub will try to engage his/her trainer or mentor into a deeper relationship. That's why we use contracts. They help to keep the relationship clear. Occassionally, in spite of contracts or understandings the relationship turns into a partnership. If it's agreeable to both parties, that's great. If not You can fall back onto the agreement.

Your mentor is your friend, guide, protector and confidant. That relationship can last a lifetime. Your trainer is your teacher, who helps you with protocols, rituals, some play technigues or experiences. Neither are your partner.
In fact you may already have a partner and your mentor or trainer help you both. Whether its as complicated as a high protocol dinner your trainer is helping you to prepare for or a "safe call" or a shoulder your mentor will provide for you to cry on, either can be a helpfull friend in crises or in your search for a good partner. Sometimes they can even help a partnership survive the "blahs" that many mature relationships fall into.

Yes, there is a place for mentors and trainers.


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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 11:00:21 PM   
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I can relate to the sometimes unrewarding experiences you've experienced as a Mentor or Trainer. I suspect we both have a similar background in this lifestyle. It's not as appreciated as it once was, but still I look back on it all, and have to smile on those we helped make this work for them. It's a great trip and we shared it with others.

Keep up the good fight for the protocols and rituals tha make this all work in the long run.

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RE: Mentoring - 3/12/2008 11:57:50 PM   
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wrong account...ignore this post....you can't see me

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RE: Mentoring - 3/13/2008 12:03:40 AM   
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anyway right account now....i could probably use a mentor i admit it...one of the main reasons i come to sites like this is to learn things...i don't really do munchs...so books and the internet are my friends

i been a daddydom for well life...practicing for close to 5 years and i learn new things about this life style and my own personal tastes daily...the girl i'm with now is a wonderful sub a little on the bratty side but i like that...anyway in the year i been with the current sub i have learned things with ropes and knots that if i was a boy scout i would have about 20 badges for...

mentor wise i see i lack in the mental aspecs of being a dom...most of the time i let alot of shit slide that i shouldn't...but i am working to improve that part of myself...just ask my sub what i did to her for saying i lied about giving her an order...first time i ever gave her corner time...that was amusing as hell...then a gave her a hard spanking and she has this deep disgust to having cum on her so i blew a load on her face after a quicky fuck....and i made her wait 15 mins to clean it off....that has to be the worst i ever did to a girl mentally...

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RE: Mentoring - 3/13/2008 12:42:03 AM   
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I think man needs mentors in anything he does. If I want life guidance, I read, lisen learn from people I respect. IF you want to become a 'master', you could have a mentor im sure it would be beneficial on a number of levels, although you could also discover who you want to be, with OTHER mentors not from the same field, but who giv you insight.

When it comes to change I think two things r crucial/.

Mentors for the belief/knowledge/wisdom

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New habits not based on emotional disposition, to internalise information.



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RE: Mentoring - 3/13/2008 2:20:49 AM   
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I think man needs mentors in anything he does. If I want life guidance, I read, lisen learn from people I respect. IF you want to become a 'master', you could have a mentor im sure it would be beneficial on a number of levels, although you could also discover who you want to be, with OTHER mentors not from the same field, but who giv you insight.

When it comes to change I think two things r crucial/.

Mentors for the belief/knowledge/wisdom

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New habits not based on emotional disposition, to internalise information.





well said, agree fully.


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RE: Mentoring - 3/13/2008 12:36:58 PM   
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Zig...you have two great things going for you. Your humilty and your desire to learn more. You will go far, with or without a mentor. These past five years have been quite a ride I suspect. Your girl should count herself lucky to have met a Dom who admits his own weaknesses and is working to change that. Many subs will never get the opportunity to grow along side someone. good luck

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RE: Mentoring - 3/13/2008 10:25:16 PM   
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Heh, a mentor would probably be a good thing, lurking can't teach you everything, and neither can books. And experience you can mess it up and continue without knowing. Always better to ask and listen IMHO.

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RE: Mentoring - 3/14/2008 6:01:55 PM   
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I can somewhat buy into the whole mentoring thing when it comes to  learning how to use certain toys so as not to harm, but I can't understand mentoring for mental aspects of bdsm.  That kind of dynamic will be so unique to a relationship.  How can anyone "guide" you in that?


And here I was gonna ask you for some mentoring lessons on how to be a dirty little slut.


You don't need lessons, Sweetie.  You wrote the book.


Oh please.  Getting your sloppy seconds does not qualify me!

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