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Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 3:46:49 AM

Sundowner

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A couple of weeks ago I had an E. European escort visit for a few days. She very clearly likes bondage (we progressed gently from vanilla to play, so not really sure how she feels on punishment).

She's coming again in a week's time. She's beautiful (personality, not just looks) and I like her lots. She now calls me Master, which is cute.

Problem is her English is very limited and my Russian is limited to "da" and "nyet" so the normal idea of "communicate communicate communicate" is limited largely to non-verbal, or at least to fairly simple short-vocab talk.

So please (pretty please) - how do I tell if she's slave or sub (I assume there's a difference)? How does the answer - if I can work it out - affect how I might behave?

This is not a "tell me how to do stuff" post nor an "omigod I can't handle it" post - it's a "what's your view/experience/advice" post - this place so often comes up with comments or suggestions which really are helpful.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 3:59:52 AM

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she is sub/slave to you aslong as you pay propably

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:01:53 AM

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she is sub/slave to you aslong as you pay propably

That's exactly what I was thinking. Russia = tread cautiously.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:04:45 AM

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quote:

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quote:

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she is sub/slave to you aslong as you pay propably

That's exactly what I was thinking. Russia = tread cautiously.

I visit East Europe for work. The normal worker earns 80euro/month
An escort..and her pimp can make 75 euro's a night....( I get the girls offered in the hotels..no limits..a whole nights...my coworkers can enjoy too..for 75 euro). ANd no..I don't use them!!!!
They do all for that amount of money.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:09:29 AM

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If you both like it... do it again. Let your bodies explore your own limits. I have found words all too often get in the way of... pleasure. I would advise trying to find consistent means of communication, by whatever means feasable. The Rosetta Stone language series is world renowned for effiency at teaching foreign languages, not to mention used by several gov. agencies to teach agents foriegn language.

Overall, learn body language. Pay attention to her bodyily reactions to your input, and follow opening sentence.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:15:03 AM

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If you both like it... do it again. Let your bodies explore your own limits. I have found words all too often get in the way of... pleasure. I would advise trying to find consistent means of communication, by whatever means feasable. The Rosetta Stone language series is world renowned for effiency at teaching foreign languages, not to mention used by several gov. agencies to teach agents foriegn language.

Overall, learn body language. Pay attention to her bodyily reactions to your input, and follow opening sentence.

she is an escort..how does one knows she likes it really and doesn't play it?
females can even fake orgasm..we males are never sure!!!!!!

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:51:12 AM

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quote:

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she is an escort..how does one knows she likes it really and doesn't play it?
females can even fake orgasm..we males are never sure!!!!!!

And one should give a fuck exactly why? I am getting out after mine, goddammit. See you do the same.

Mechanic says, say, I skun my knuckles when I was a puttin in your ball joints, gonna have to get an extra 50........

I don't even fuckin' think so.

To paraphrase another thread out here... I knew you were a slut when I met you, and there is no way you can be confused about me.

Ron

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:55:04 AM

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I thought escorts had spreadsheets with the items listed and costs of such items. Ask for a price list, that way you'll know what the going rate is and if the item is not listed you may have to negotiate. Do escorts have hard limits? I rate this thread: fun!

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:57:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

she is an escort..how does one knows she likes it really and doesn't play it?
females can even fake orgasm..we males are never sure!!!!!!

And one should give a fuck exactly why? I am getting out after mine, goddammit. See you do the same.

Mechanic says, say, I skun my knuckles when I was a puttin in your ball joints, gonna have to get an extra 50........

I don't even fuckin' think so.

To paraphrase another thread out here... I knew you were a slut when I met you, and there is no way you can be confused about me.

Ron

i love when you act so powerfull

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 4:58:24 AM

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Get on your knees and Excel me bitch, now!!!!!!!!!!

Master

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 5:02:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sundowner
She's coming again in a week's time. She's beautiful (personality, not just looks) and I like her lots. She now calls me Master, which is cute.

Problem is her English is very limited and my Russian is limited to "da" and "nyet" so the normal idea of "communicate communicate communicate"

If you can tell what her personality is like from such limited English I think you'll do fine.

Edited to add: Damn north Londoners grrrr.

< Message edited by SL4V3M4YB3 -- 3/2/2008 5:05:24 AM >

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 5:52:55 AM

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There isn't a difference but really... she's an escort. Her job is make you think she's perfect for you. She may be a slave/sub but the bottom line is that she isn't yours unless you pay and she's only yours for the time you've paid for.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 5:56:48 AM

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Wait until after she's gotten her green card and has learned English. If she still likes you then, it's for real.

Even if she wasn't a sex worker, the language barrier by itself is such that neither of you knows who the other one is. You are putting the words in your fantasy onto her. She can't say anything wrong because she can't say anything at all to you. And vice versa.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 6:14:47 AM

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i know a few sex workers, and for them the bottom line is always money. And that's in NY and Florida. i can only assume the E.European types are even more focused on it. There's no harm in having fun with her, and gettig your money's worth, right. Hell, i know a couple girls in Orlando that would LOVELOVELOVE to be paid in British Pounds for that sorta thing...just saying

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 6:32:12 AM

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I would suggest that she would say that she likes howling at the moon and eating grass if it got her paid, you cant assume that there are personal emotional feelings attached with something like this because it is work. You have to just be responsible and not put her in any stupid danger but you cant expect her to enjoy it.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 7:14:07 AM

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Hmmmm......Is the question "Is she A sub or a slave", or is the question "Is she MY sub or MY slave"?

As many others here have opined, she is what you pay her to be, and as long as you're enjoying yourself there is certainly nothing wrong with that. (I'll avoid the topic of whether or not her professional status is voluntary). If you're looking to find her boundaries, just keep doing what you're doing---gently push and explore. If you go too far, I assume her NYETS will tell the tale.

Good luck to you--please let us know how things progress.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 7:15:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I thought escorts had spreadsheets with the items listed and costs of such items. Ask for a price list, that way you'll know what the going rate is and if the item is not listed you may have to negotiate. Do escorts have hard limits? I rate this thread: fun!

Oh Katy!!! You're so sexy when you talk spreadsheet!! If you start speaking Power Point, I might lose control!!!

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 7:34:57 AM

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Suppose she spoke perfect English and yet were 100% dependent on you financially. You could never "tell" for sure if she loved you, or if part of her attraction to you was economic because she was a kept woman.

There are, however, ways to tell whether a woman really had an orgasm. Moans and shudders can be faked. Ignore them. (Unless you don't really want to know.) Does she get goosebumps? Is she lightly mentally disoriented for a couple minutes? Does she squirt vaginally, or otherwise produce a lot of non-urine liquid? (Clear and sweet, instead of yellow and salty.) Do her neck and shoulders get flushed? Everyone's different, so none of these may apply to her, but something will. The point is that orgasm produces involuntary physical responses, and those are a lot harder to pretend.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 7:56:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sundowner

So please (pretty please) - how do I tell if she's slave or sub (I assume there's a difference)? How does the answer - if I can work it out - affect how I might behave?

Is there a difference? *shrugs* Some will say "yes", some will say "no". It doesn't really matter what others say, only what you think and how you choose to behave. If you behave in what you believe to be a "masterly" way, and she responds in what you feel is an appropriate manner, then who cares how other might label your actions? Isn't enjoying yourselves the important thing?

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/2/2008 8:04:07 AM

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I would learn a few Russian phrases like "permanent green card", "husband", and "immigration laws".

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