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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 6:31:21 PM   
petdave


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Nice... with an answer like that, you'd be just at home over there :-) .


Hey, i'll wander around in my bathrobe if it means having my own fleet of luxury cars!  

Frankly, i don't see what Harvard is doing mucking around in the health-club business anyway... shouldn't those kids be studying?

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 6:32:57 PM   
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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 7:00:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the next addition needs to be a men's only exercise time.  There are plenty of people of both sexes who don't want ogled or remarked on while they exercise. 

No one seems to have thought about the fact that while these women are paying the same to go to school there they were not able to  use the gym they help pay to keep running.   Try that awhile yourself and see how fair you think that is.  Then think about the fact that for every man who converts to Islam in the US there are 20 women who do.   Ask yourself why and then do some wandering around the net and find out what those women say.

I'm not Muslim I'm Christian and not interested in converting but I am beginning to study what Islam is about.  So much of the bashing I see in the US is a reaction to a situation where people with extreme views did something very bad here in the US.  That doesn't make all of the religion wrong or all Iraqi's or Muslims terrorists.  It means that a group of nuts acted like nuts.  Don't blame the religion for the acts of a small number of those claiming to hold that religion. 

For myself I'm disgusted with the bashing in the same way I got disgusted with the man bashing that came as a result of the women's movement.   You can't fit everyone man, women, Muslim, Christian, whatever...in the same little cubbyhole and expect that everyone is going to fit into it the way you think they should fit.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 7:54:55 PM   
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No one seems to have thought about the fact that while these women are paying the same to go to school there they were not able to  use the gym they help pay to keep running.


Sure they could. They just would have had to make compromises to the dominant culture in order to do so. As a Davist, it's against my religion to eat any vegetables that were not first rubbed between the labia of a beautiful woman. As a result, even though my tax dollars fund endless farm subsidies, i eat no vegetables. Unfortunately, i'm too damn busy to blow shit up, so my people must succumb to persecution

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 8:02:48 PM   
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I would be willing to bet that MsJoiner has an excess of testosterone coursing thru' her no doubt lovely body.
Show me  a photo of her backside and thighs and I will know for sure.
How so very astute of you...doctors require a blood test to determine that.

Thompson I am as tolerant as the next man but just because you want a Laydee to sit on your face there's no need to get carried away.
I am not sure how the above follows from what I posted.
 

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 8:05:20 PM   
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I think the next addition needs to be a men's only exercise time. 



Argh! I made that point about three times already! Argh.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 8:09:30 PM   
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*Sigh*. I wish I'd gone to Harvard instead. I wouldn't be sucking for a living if I had Muahahahahaha.

kittenSol:
You suck for a living???  That settles it I am moving to New Hampshire or Canada or wherever the fuck it is that you live.
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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 10:03:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meh. Fatty exercise time would be more efficient... I know more that are prevented from using the gym by weight insecurities than gender issues.

Drunken exercise time would be fun as well... It IS a college after all. We don't want the drunk to feel threatened by their sober compatriots. There's nothing like a bunch of sober people ogling you while you try and stumble on a treadmill to kill your buzz. No longer will drunk college students be unfairly forced to rely on DDDR(Drunken Dance Dance Revolution) for their workout needs.

Point in fact, my cult of bacchus(Talk about religious nonprofit perks) expressly forbids me from associating with non-drunks, outside of an orgy setting. So either there needs to be more drunk-only time at the gym, or people are going to have to start oiling up.

I don't even want to know the kind of demands a pastafarian would make- doubtless something to do with noodly appendages and pirate outfits, and it wouldnt be pretty.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 10:05:20 PM   
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Meh. Fatty exercise time would be more efficient... I know more that are prevented from using the gym by weight insecurities than gender issues.

Drunken exercise time would be fun as well... It IS a college after all. We don't want the drunk to feel threatened by their sober compatriots. There's nothing like a bunch of sober people ogling you while you try and stumble on a treadmill to kill your buzz. No longer will drunk college students be unfairly forced to rely on DDDR(Drunken Dance Dance Revolution) for their workout needs.

Point in fact, my cult of bacchus(Talk about religious nonprofit perks) expressly forbids me from associating with non-drunks, outside of an orgy setting. So either there needs to be more drunk-only time at the gym, or people are going to have to start oiling up.

I don't even want to know the kind of demands a pastafarian would make- doubtless something to do with noodly appendages and pirate outfits, and it wouldnt be pretty.



*snicker*

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/5/2008 11:33:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you read the article carefully you will notice that a small group of Muslim women requested specific hours to be women only, and they have 6 hours out of 70 hours total per week that the gym is open.  Also, the gym they use is the least used on campus.
 
I would not have a problem accomodating them on campus here under similar circumstances, as we have more than one facility for exercise.


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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 12:48:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

If you read the article carefully you will notice that a small group of Muslim women requested specific hours to be women only, and they have 6 hours out of 70 hours total per week that the gym is open.  Also, the gym they use is the least used on campus.
 
I would not have a problem accomodating them on campus here under similar circumstances, as we have more than one facility for exercise.



It's also open to ALL women, ,not just Muslims.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 2:53:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		exactly, following your "interesting" (being politically correct here lol) beliefs is one thing but imposing it on an entire campus is crazy.
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The basis for the switch was not discomfort: it was the argument that their religious upbringing demanded the absence of males. The argument is that it is unequal to not allow for this difference in religion. I think this is hogwash. It is imposing limits on the behavior of others for one's own religion; essentially, a pressing of your religious behaviors on others without your religious beliefs. Your right to freely practice your religion ends with yourself- it does not entitle you the right to influence the actions of others outside of your belief system.

Assuming I don't have any details of the case wrong, then charge females a greater gym fee for greater availability of the gym :) As it stands, the males of that campus are subsidizing the gym use by people other than themselves. Or give an equally large and convenient males only time... There are many religious men that have problem with being around half-naked women, as well. My university had a successful male driven lawsuit for not allowing proper distancing between male/females in living settings. The religious discomfort for those of the opposite gender is NOT gender-specific, regardless of which side has gained more press in this case.

As a useful mental exercise... If someone refused to sit in seats that women had sat in, on the grounds that female essence had "tainted" them and rendered them a danger to one's own spiritual purity(It's not as silly as it sounds- there are those who believe this)... Would the university be obliged to create male-only seating in the classroom?



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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 9:44:31 AM   
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Being Muslim doesn't mean the women in question are foreign, unless you're from the "angry bitch" school of thought. Oh fuck it, this whole debate's fucking stupid anyway.

Men are feeling threatened by this whole thing because they're feeling excluded from rubbing against sweaty Harvard babes pumping muscle at the gym :-p . 

KS:
Well duuuuuhhhhh....who among us wants to be excluded from rubbing up against muscle pumping babes?
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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 9:49:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol.

Next thing you know, you'll be screaming to gender desegregate public conveniences on the basis that it's sexist  .

KS:
I will have you know that is exactly what we did at UC San Diego in 72....we liberated every shit-house on campus and made them "gender neutral"
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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 9:53:46 AM   
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DesFIP:
I was not aware that these women were working out unclothed.  I would question whether a sweat suit is more revealing than a burkha.
Now if these women are working out nake or in spandex perhaps I will go to Harvard and take a seat in the bleachers
thompson



You would only have to wear the burka if in front of males. Just as Orthodox Jewish females wear long sleeves and long skirts in front of males.

Back when I was doing two Pilates classes a week, I wore exercise shorts to the one on the reformers because my partner was female. But I wore less comfortable sweat pants to the mat classes because there were men there doing it for physical rehab. Quite frankly, sweating is better in shorts but I wasn't going to be seen like that by some guys. And the other women also dressed differently if it was a mixed sex class or not.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 12:53:35 PM   
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No one seems to have thought about the fact that while these women are paying the same to go to school there they were not able to  use the gym they help pay to keep running.   Try that awhile yourself and see how fair you think that is.  Then think about the fact that for every man who converts to Islam in the US there are 20 women who do.   Ask yourself why and then do some wandering around the net and find out what those women say.



It's not that they couldn't use it, it's that they *chose* not to. There *are* garments that can be worn to keep with their faith while they work out. Hell any sweatsuit can do that, then add their head covering and you're done. It's not hard. Like I mentioned before, there was a cross-country running team member who was muslim who also made a suit to wear to both run comfortably *and* keep with her faith. It's not hard. These women just wanted to the school to bend to their will to make it easier for *them*, and not the rest of the school.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 12:55:50 PM   
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If you read the article carefully you will notice that a small group of Muslim women requested specific hours to be women only, and they have 6 hours out of 70 hours total per week that the gym is open.  Also, the gym they use is the least used on campus.
 
I would not have a problem accomodating them on campus here under similar circumstances, as we have more than one facility for exercise.



If you continue to read that article more carefully, you'll notice that even with the new hours, the gym is vacant. Reporters waited outside at the prescribed times and no one came in or left.

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 12:58:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some men at gyms can be complete and utter PESTS. Put yourself in the shoes of any chick that's "courted" a little too enthusiasticaly, regardless of religion or absence thereof. I imagine you, too, would long for a little bit of peace and quiet, just a few tiny little hours a week.

For godssake  .

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 1:02:07 PM   
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Some men at gyms can be complete and utter PESTS. Put yourself in the shoes of any chick that's "courted" a little too enthusiasticaly, regardless of religion or absence thereof. I imagine you, too, would long for a little bit of peace and quiet, just a few tiny little hours a week.

For godssake  .


And if you think women aren't capable of the same thing, this argument is useless. We all have to get along. We can't just start excluding groups or segregating again just because some have thin skin. Hell most people I see in the gym have ipods stuck in their ears so they can't hear comments anyway. What's the big deal?

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RE: Harvard gym tests Muslim women only hours - 3/6/2008 1:13:57 PM   
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What's the big deal?



You said it, mate.

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