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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 6:47:53 PM   
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A couple of things.

1. The recommended dilution for bleach used as a disinfectant for needles and what-all is 1 part household bleach to 9 parts water.

2. Sounds + electrical gadgets = YUMMY! Any conductive metal would work for electrical/sound play, and some vendors who stock a lot of electricial toys offer sounds made of conductive silicone rubber. I call these sparklers, and my sub doesn't call them anything because he becomes a quiverng, incoherent mass of nerve tissue just thinking about them.

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 7:00:54 PM   
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-Are sounds, for this purpose, usually inserted in a flaccid or an erect penis?
-If they can be inserted both ways, which is less uncomfortable?
-If they are inserted in a flaccid penis, is there additional discomfort or even danger if the victim becomes physically aroused while the sound is in?


A sound can be inserted either way, flacid or erect.  If you are flacid when insertion is made, I assure you, you will probably be erect shortlly thereafter.  *chuckle*

And it is not a feeling of "discomfort" if you start out small.  It is more a feeling of violation.  There really shouldn't be any pain or unusual discomfort other than never having felt the sensation before.

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 7:01:06 PM   
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I thought electrical play was strictly for external use only.

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 7:06:33 PM   
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strictly for external use only.


If that were the case, there would be a  lot of electrical butt plug and electric sound manufacturers out of business from law suits.  Don't you think?  It is perfectly safe.  And I hook my Folsum box up to needles all the time.  Those are also inserted into muscle tissue.

I am often amazed at the "phobic" like attitudes regarding safety with certain types of play.  Play safe and play informed.  But use your common sense.  If something were that dangerous there wouldn't be people making tons of money off the toy.  Now would there?  And I assure you, you'd be reading about a lot more deaths regarding the lifestyle.


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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 7:08:03 PM   
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None of my subs have ever complained of any serious complications following a sounds session. The biggest issue ever brought up was a very slight burning sensation during the first urination taken after play. I'm told the sensation is awesome.

Use lots of surgilube, never force them in (allow them to drop... that's why they're weighted!) and use a good disinfectant, such as benz-all to clean them. They're not as scary as people make them out to be, in my opinion.

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 7:56:49 PM   
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Mmmmm. Sounds :-)

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 8:01:30 PM   
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A sound can be inserted either way, flacid or erect.  If you are flacid when insertion is made, I assure you, you will probably be erect shortlly thereafter.  *chuckle*

And it is not a feeling of "discomfort" if you start out small.  It is more a feeling of violation.  There really shouldn't be any pain or unusual discomfort other than never having felt the sensation before.


Ok, thank you for the info.  i think i will continue to sit here with my legs crossed, though.


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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 8:41:47 PM   
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Hello Everyone,
                  Sounds are safe if used correctly. They can be found at medical supply houses. There are several types out there, I personally own and use the Hegar type. They should be steralized after each use with boiling hot water and bleach or autoclaved. I wont use electricity with sounds because metal does heat up with ex<violet wand> and could cause burns. I do use an antibiotic cream for the lubricant after cleansing the area with betadine. Before you run out and purchase sounds, find someone knowledgeable in the area to teach you how to use them correctly so that you wont cause any permanent damage. As with any instrument we use in our kink, it can cause harm if not used correctly. Dang, now I want to go wake the boy up and use the sounds!

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 9:02:04 PM   
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This is one of the things i'm definitely very interested in that i'm still not ready for yet.


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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 9:08:21 PM   
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It is very very cool......   Now y'all have me interested in medical play again!  Dagnabbit.

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RE: Sounds - 3/8/2008 11:06:28 PM   
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quote:

-Are sounds, for this purpose, usually inserted in a flaccid or an erect penis?

-If they can be inserted both ways, which is less uncomfortable?

-If they are inserted in a flaccid penis, is there additional discomfort or even danger if the victim becomes physically aroused while the sound is in?

Thank you in advance.


which is usually the way they're inserted?  i'm not sure.  keep in mind he typical sounds and so forth are not flexible, so inserting it into a flacid one will simply force it to take the shape of the sound, but more than likely it will cause erection anyway, and if an erection is triggered, you can simply expect it to extend and take in more or hold at that position.  it is not something that will conflict in the way you are thinking, which i imagine is sort of like an internal cb2000.  either the sound will support it similar to an erection, or it will be erect, it's not like macaroni vs a straw.

flacid also might be more comfortable, but it is not too much of a factor in any aspect.  the reason is basically because the part that stretches is the outside area of the shaft, which is the tissue which remains soft even during a hard erection.  the flexibility and shapes you see in sounds are keeping in mind the natural curves of the body and so forth, so you shouldn't find issues with that either.

depending what you do or how you go about it, there may or may not be some form of irritation, but i certainly don't expect people to find it orgasmic, and i would question those that would say it is, as well as how someone would find a burning sensation during urination to be "awesome".  i wouldn't expect you would be guaranteed to feel any discomfort of the sort, highly dependent on the sound and the practice, but cliffs notes would be...

the area near the end will be more sensative to irritation than further down, but the further down you go the more sensitive to infection it will be.  so just be clean, and be practical.

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RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 12:03:56 AM   
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Please read.

http://www.collarchat.com/m.asp?m=1558974&mpage=1&key=


I forgot to mention.  Sterilize with bleach water or autoclave.


One cleans with bleach (or soap and water, etc.)

One sterilizes with an autoclave (or cold sterilant like cavicide/wavicide.)

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RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 3:20:11 AM   
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A snowball would have a better chance surviving in hell..it is an ultra hard limit for me and not even open to discussion.

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RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 7:38:06 AM   
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This is a really interesting topic, thanks to all for the information and old links.  I will have to see if I can find a medical mistress to show me how to use these.  I think even one good demonstration would go a long way toward easing my safety concerns...otherwise sounds like a lot of fun. 

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RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 7:56:01 AM   
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I use small surgical steel sounds with slighly blunt tips; there is a natural widening in the urethra just this side of the penis head before it narrows again in the shaft of the penis and is as far as I'm interested in going.
The first time I don't bind the sub to ensure he's as relaxed as possible.  he's just showered with anti-bacterial soap, and still slightly damp.  he is on his back and begging.  Hard as a rock, and naturally lubricated with pre-cum, but I of course pool some sterile surgical lubricant on a sterile glove on his belly to get it closer to body temperature. 
Sterilised sound of course.  I generally sterilise several to get the right size, but I also tease his nipples with one I don't intend to use 'down there' ;-).  I draw the sound through the pool of warmed lube . . . I draw My name and make sure he uses it . . .
The orgasmic sounds he makes when it goes in are only matched by the sounds he makes when it comes out.  .  . I'll be back in 15 minutes . . . make it 30 . . .

Ah, that's better ;-)
there is a piece of jewelry for the head of the penis that looks like the cork cage on a bottle of champagne with a small sound under the 'cap' which I would love to try on a good dog.

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RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 8:52:27 AM   
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Tantriqu, how erotic.  I authored this string and I'm surprised at the interest this topic has generated.  Thanks for your input.

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RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 9:44:17 AM   
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I hate symantics.  There are many pros and cons from various sources regarding bleach as a sterilizer.  However, chlorine bleach will be found under almost any search regarding "sterilization" and listed as a "chemical sterilant."
In any event, I have found it safe, so far, for sounds.
And, as with anything, I am sure there is an exception to the rule and a percentage of risk.  However,  personally and thankfully, I haven't been entered into those statistics to date.

Edited to note:  I agree that soap and water is NOT a sterilant and I would not recommend that for sounds.

http://www.hoslink.com/sterilisation.htm

6.3 Chemical Sterilants and Disinfectants Instruments or materials which cannot withstand sterilization in a steam autoclave or dry-air oven can be sterilized with a gas such as ethylene oxide or a broad spectrum liquid chemical germicide. Chemical decontamination of surfaces may also be necessary for very large or fixed items. Since liquid chemical germicides generally require high concentrations and several hours of exposure time for sterilization purposes, they are usually used for disinfection rather than for sterilization purposes. The majority of chemical disinfectants have toxic properties: follow the manufacurer's directions for use and wear the appropriate personal protective equipment (e.g., gloves, eye protection, apron), especially when handling stock solutions. Choice of a chemical germicide for use on contaminated equipment, supplies, laboratory surfaces or biohazardous waste depends upon a number of factors, including:
  • number and nature of microbes to be destroyed (e.g., spores vs vegetative cells, bacteria vs viruses),
  • type and configuration of item to be disinfected (fissures, crevices and enclosures may shield organisms),
  • purpose of treatment (e.g., disinfection vs sterilization),
  • interaction with other active chemicals,
  • whether the item is covered with soil which might inactivate the disinfectant,
  • contact time required for disinfection,
  • toxicity to individuals, culture systems, environment, residual toxicity on items,
  • pH, temperature, hardness of available dilution water,
  • cost.
Direct contact between germicide and microorganism is essential for disinfection. Microorganisms can be shielded within air bubbles or under dirt, grease, oil, rust or clumps of microorganisms. Agar or proteinaceous nutrients and other cellular material can, either directly (through inactivation of the germicide) or indirectly (via physical shielding of microorganisms) reduce the efficacity of some liquid germicides. No one chemical germicide is effective for all disinfection or sterilization purposes. A summary of chemical germicides, their use, effective concentrations, advantages and disadvantages can be found in Tables 3, 4A and 4B.
TABLE 3 - Summary of concentrations used, contact times, advantages and disadvantages and uses of some of the halogen-releasing chemical germicides. The wide ranges of effective concentrations and contact times cited are due to a number of factors, including the interdependence of time and concentration, the variability in resistance of different microorganisms, the amount of organic material present and the desired effect (e.g., low-level vs high-level disinfection)
Effective Concentrations, Contact Times Advantages Disadvantages Examples of Uses Chlorine Compounds: Sodium hypochlorite solution 1 (liquid bleach)
  • 100-10,000 ppm (.01-1%) free chlorine
  • 10-60 minutes (>= 3,000 ppm for broad spectrum)
  • broad spectrum
  • inexpensive
  • widely available
  • bactericidal at low temperature
  • toxic, corrosive to skin and metals
  • unstable at optimum effective pH of 6
  • inactivated by organic matter
  • deteriorates under light and heat: shelf life of dilutions is less than 1 week
  • general disinfectant
  • waste liquids
  • surface decontamination
  • emergency spill clean up
  • instrument disinfection Calcium hypochlorite2 granules, powder, tablets
  • as for liquid bleach
  • as for liquid bleach but more stable
  • as for liquid bleach above, except shelf life is longer
  • as for liquid bleach NaDCC3 (Sodium dichloroisocyanurate) powder, granules, tablets
  • as for liquid bleach
  • more stable than hypochlorites
  • stable at pH 6.0
  • toxic, corrosive
  • inactivated by organic matter
  • as for liquid bleach Chloramine-T4 (Sodium tosylchloramide) powder or tablets
  • as for liquid bleach
  • more stable, less affected by organic matter than hypochlorites
  • longer activity than hypochlorites
  • deteriorates under humidity, light and heat
  • as for liquid bleach Chlorine dioxide5
  • demand-release of chlorine dioxide in situ
  • longer activity than other chlorine compounds
  • less corrosive, less toxic than other chlorine compounds
  • effective at pH 6-10
  • aqueous solutions decompose under light
  • instrument disinfection
  • gas sterilization of germ-free animal chambers Iodine Preparations: Iodophors6
  • 30-1,000 ppm (.003-.1%) free iodine
  • 10-30 minutes
  • broad spectrum
  • germicidal over a wide pH range
  • generally nonstaining, less toxic and less irritating than aqueous or alcoholic iodine solutions
  • not consistently sporicidal
  • efficacy reduced by organic matter
  • some iodophor solutions support growth of Pseudomonas7
  • germicidal soaps and antiseptics
  • surface decontamination
  • work surface wipedown
  • instrument disinfection Notes:
      1 a 1/10 dilution of 5.25% bleach provides 5,250 ppm available chlorine 2 "high tested" provides 70-72% available chlorine; chlorinated lime or bleaching powder provides approximately 35% available chlorine 3 appproximately 60% available chlorine 4 approximately 25% available chlorine 5 To avoid shipping of this extremely reactive product, reagents ("base" and "activator") from commercially available kits are mixed with water to generate chlorine dioxide immediately prior to use 6 10% povidone-iodine provides 1% available iodine 7 An iodophor stock solution may actually be a less effective germicide than its dilution. For example, a full-strength (10%) solution of povidone-iodine provides approximately 10 times less free available iodine than a 1/100 dilution. Iodophors must be used at the manufacturer's recommended concentrations.


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    RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 9:59:46 AM   
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    While not wanting to wade into the debate on sterilising v cleaning, when I was a community nurse I taught men with prostate problems how to self catheterise in their homes while waiting for surgical procedures.Cleaning (to reuse)catheters and hands with soap and water and ensuring no contamination was effective and no urinary tract infections developed, and this was with country/mining men with no experience in sterile procedures.

    I am interested in using sounds on my new man and although my reading has shown the method is to 'drop' the sound with lots of sterile lube, into a flaccid penis, I am hoping someone with experience will share some of their secrets with me.

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    RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 10:01:40 AM   
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    Ok, ladies don't laugh, but can sounds be used on females?

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    RE: Sounds - 3/9/2008 10:06:52 AM   
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    Ok, ladies don't laugh, but can sounds be used on females?


    Yes indeed! Sounds are a genderless toy and can be used pleasurably on both males and females. It's just a matter of inserting into the urethra.

    Now catheters, which are a whole other kettle of fish, need to be bought specifically for male and female subjects.


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