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OmegaG -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 8:36:23 AM)

and homogenized.



Avezes -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 8:58:24 AM)

very well put.
Masters will make mistakes, it is fortunate that thre are still people out there from th olde guard that will correct those mistakes and i truly believe that if you are meant to be a maser yo had damn well bettter be teachable.
Just because you are a dominant personality does not make you a master.
Masters ahve a heavy responsibility, in some schools, they are almost the servant because they take care of and tend to the slave so much... some slaves are a lot of work.
Making a mistake and being corected by a more experienced master is not a sign of weakness. IMHO, it is a true sign of strength that you can learn and grow.



MistressDollys -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 9:04:17 AM)

Speaking of sub perspective. A quality female Domme consoles, provides, inspires, dictates, and guides. Her conviction is justice and mercy, she speaks the truth, and exposes lies. She has high expectations. She is patient, loving, and understanding, yet direct, swift, firm, and decisive. She swiftly disciplines and instructs those in the wrong yet using that same influence just as promptly to guide them back on the path of bliss - the path to Her.



CalifChick -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 9:12:31 AM)

There is just wayyyyyyy too much humor here to let this pass by. Y'all are serious, aren't you??

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ORIGINAL: Avezes

Masters will make mistakes, it is fortunate that thre are still people out there from th olde guard that will correct those mistakes and i truly believe that if you are meant to be a maser yo had damn well bettter be teachable.


Just make sure they show their "old guard" membership card first. They could be a fake.

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ORIGINAL: MistressDollys

A quality female Domme consoles, provides, inspires, dictates, and guides. Her conviction is justice and mercy, she speaks the truth, and exposes lies. She has high expectations. She is patient, loving, and understanding, yet direct, swift, firm, and decisive. She swiftly disciplines and instructs those in the wrong yet using that same influence just as promptly to guide the


Does she wear an "S" for Superdomme on her chest? Does she leap tall buildings in a single bound?

Cali



MistressDollys -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 9:30:44 AM)

You should consider raising your standards. I'm sure your worth it. As a 43 year old Woman submitting to a man there is still time for you.



Dnomyar -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 10:56:41 AM)

Leaps a tall building and lands on cali. Whips out the right guard mmmm I mean old guard card.



RedHotAndSoSexy -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 11:07:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressDollys

You should consider raising your standards. I'm sure your worth it. As a 43 year old Woman submitting to a man there is still time for you.


Meow.

I think the post you were replying to was meant in jest, not offense. But you took it that way. You, too, will be 43, soon enough. Time stands still for no one. :)



Constrictor1 -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 11:29:36 AM)

RedHotAndSoSexy, Yes I agree that MistreessDolly's response might be a little catty. But , what do you expect when She is confronted with a post exemplifying the OP's observation. I like Cali and have enjoyed banter with her and see her as playful more than aggressive or insulting. But, her post did ridicule not 1 but 2 different posters by implying that they take themselves too seriously. We cannot hear tone/inflection or see facial expressions on a message board. Without trying to insult Cali I saw this post as indicative of the behaviors the OP was questioning. Even playfully ridiculing others can be perceived as a lack of respect for the persons being ridiculed. None of us are born knowing socities behaviors, they are taught, and learned. That includes the different power exchange choices of lifestyle here. I see the differences here on this thread as more of a difference in protocol training , NOT a matter of disrespect. Cali and I have passed several smart assed remarks to one another on different topics on the forums and I again say that I PERCEIVE her as playful and more button pushing than mean hurtful or disrespectful.



CalifChick -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 12:36:17 PM)

1, I am not a master, so the OP's observations don't apply to me.
2, I can ridicule ideas without ridiculing a person.
3, Two people in a row espousing so much twuism... god help me, I couldn't resist. Old Guard to correct those in error? SERIOUSLY?  And "quality Dommes" patient, loving and understanding - it almost sounds like a combination of the Girl Scout Oath and the Boy Scout oath rolled into one.

And yes, I think they both take themselves too seriously.  And no, I wasn't offended by Dolly's reply.

Cali





Constrictor1 -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 12:40:11 PM)

Cali, I love you for your outlooks as well as  your outspokenness

C



Lumus -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 1:04:01 PM)

On my "Dom-Dom" resume, it says,

"Brain with wit.  Cock tags along for the ride.  Get to know one, I might introduce you to the other."

I find it works nicely for males on both sides of the kneel, n'est pas? [8D]  Or substitute the word 'cock' for another overplayed errogenous zone...




CalifChick -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 1:20:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Constrictor1

Cali, I love you for your outlooks as well as  your outspokenness


Awww, how sweet.  Most people just love me cuz they think that's really my ass over there.  Uhh, I mean it IS!  Yes! It is my ass over there.

Cali
PS to Lumus:  Honey, if you're gonna schmooze the women with french, you should know it's n'est-ce pas. And... call me and whisper it in my ear.



SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 1:21:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressDollys

You should consider raising your standards. I'm sure your worth it. As a 43 year old Woman submitting to a man there is still time for you.


Do you mean that there is still time for her to become a domme? As if being other than what we are in some way is a "step up"? Are you saying that women submitting to a man is somehow "wrong"?

I have a feeling from reading some of the female supremacy crappola from your mistress on other threads, and your capitalization of " 43 year old Woman submitting to a man" that I already know the answer[8|]

julia



kend70 -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 1:40:58 PM)

Well said tempting.  Gee I never would have thought that when I was younger but yes there does seem to be an awakening at some point in your life when you just say, awe, fuck it let's make something else happen.  Maybe it is confidence or just self awareness.  Good quote.



kend70 -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 1:43:58 PM)

Well ultimately it depends on how you define a Master.  It appears that you may be running across either inexperience or immaturity or both maybe?  I'm just thinking that just as tastes in the lifestyle differ so would how a "Master" or "Mistress" choose to express themselves.

Indeed it is a good question, since I think that good Masters to challenge themselves to be better, grow, etc... but that is very different from experience and the lessons that brings.



ownedgirlie -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 2:03:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: need2bused6

Respectfully I ask this question to see if it is a trend.  I have been running into "Masters" who appear to have little or poor training.  I know just because a Man calls himself a Master doesn't make them one.  I have been meeting a much lower quality of "Masters" than usual.  Is this a trend or have I just been lucky?  From my point of view it is harder and harder to find a good Master, or Mistress, in public settings their behavior, and that of their subs, have a lack of basic social skills is appalling.  I see Masters that I know just wince at some of the actions.  I know no Master can be the police of manners but has anyone one else noticed this?
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In all walks of life there are strong leaders and poor leaders.  You can see it in business management, in military management, in volunteer organizations, etc.  The best leader is one whose goal is to bring out the best in others, and whose motivation brings him/her to seek the best ways of doing so.

Even still, the world is made up of a plethora of values and views on what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior.  Often times this is influence by our upbringing, then again sometimes, not.  My siblings and I were raised with what some considered rather strict ediquette.  Two out of five of us still practice such manners.  Personality and self values come into play when it comes to how we conduct ourselves in public.  Expecting everyone to behave as we expect ourselves to behave is going to bring about disappointment.

While it is natural to be impressed or unimpressed by the behavior of others, we can use that behavior to measure ourselves against, and focus on self refinement if that is important to us.

Submissives are only as reflective of their dominants as they are influenced by them.  The first year I belonged to my Master, I was hardly a reflection of his training and influence.  My fourth year as his slave, I am much more reflective of such.



slaveluci -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 5:13:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: need2bused6
I have been running into "Masters" who appear to have little or poor training

Training in what?  Training by whom?  I must admit my own Master has not been through any formal, official "Dom" training[8|].
quote:

I know just because a Man calls himself a Master doesn't make them one

It doesn't?  I'm not so sure.  Again, my own Master never "called Himself" a "Master" before He owned me.  He never found anyone He wished to call "slave" until me.  Thus, when I became His property, He thereby become "my" Master.  Simple.  No drama.  He is what He desires to be.  No "training" was needed and He's doing splendidly[:D].........luci



mstrj69 -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 6:51:20 PM)

As for the old guard, they are quickly becoming extinct.  I am lucky to know one who was trained as such and I do not think twice if he says I was wrong, I believe him.  There is no longer any formal training for dominants or masters or subs or slaves.  It has gotten more to be only what those involved in a relationship want it to be.



need2bused6 -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 7:13:24 PM)

Thank you for your reply. You and SteelofUtah seem to have understood what I meant.  Some of the other answers are great examples of the people I am talking about.  BTW I am talking real world not on line.  As a sub I have a problem telling another sub how to act.  If I have to tell a self proclaimed Dom/Domme that we are not at a Halloween party and how to act then they are not worthy of the title and DEMEAN those who are.  Like sabirah I was told how to behave and punished for behavior not acceptable.  I find to a point the public meetings are being less inclusive and more segregated which makes learning suffer .  



liketophoto -> RE: The Quality of a Master (3/10/2008 7:16:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: need2bused6

Respectfully I ask this question to see if it is a trend.  I have been running into "Masters" who appear to have little or poor training.  I know just because a Man calls himself a Master doesn't make them one.  I have been meeting a much lower quality of "Masters" than usual.  Is this a trend or have I just been lucky?  From my point of view it is harder and harder to find a good Master, or Mistress, in public settings their behavior, and that of their subs, have a lack of basic social skills is appalling.  I see Masters that I know just wince at some of the actions.  I know no Master can be the police of manners but has anyone one else noticed this?
s seem



I see young men in what ever generation this is now comming of age, that wear their pants below their asses. This to me seems stupid and very disrepectful. Not to mention discusting.

My point is that what seems to be manners is a relavent thing to whom you are speaking.
As I am rather new to the whole BDSM community I have faltered around trying to learn  trying to be respectful. Trying to find a mentor. Learn what many I see have learned through experience.
I am trying to learn to be(someday, hopefully) a Master by being submissive and learning.
There are very few Schools that I have seen. I do attend a local training and it is starting anew. I thank those who take the time to mentor and teach. It is the way new people (and I am not very young anymore)learn.
So if you posess the knowlage Please, I beg of you!
Please go forth and teach, be a mentor.
Respectfully, LTP



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