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ORIGINAL: xBullx
Greetings LaM,
I'm more of the mind that hopefully this Administration had poor intel, that they built a case for war with a less than suitable network or detectives(CIA). The bad thing is we as a nation also took the word of people that it appears to me now wanted us to enter into this. It's like I say, chess is a very interesting game. Bush sure thought Putin was his pal once upon a time. Sucking up to one another down at the ranch in Texas and all.
The statement "they knew it wasn't true" seems a reach on your part. I'd need to see proof on that. That's rather slanderous when you can't provide supporting facts that at the time they knew all this. I think they had an idea that Saddam wasn't as well equipped as he lead us to believe, but I don't think they knew any more about Iraqs' WMD than they do Irans. And it sure doesn't take much WMD to wreak havoc in a huge city like New York, Boston or LA. Boy if He had decided to assist his fellow Sunni based terrorists and had done nothing and we were attact again imagine the political ammo the opposing party would have then. After al it doesn't seem that the facts on the ground matter all that much to many other than political leverage to support their latest bid for power. I remember very few people that railed against this war on the grounds they claim to have so much intel about now. There were some protestors and as is always the case many college aged kids that were afraid to go and fight a war. Hey who can blame them, lives are interrupted and people die in wars. But very few were against the war for the reasons they claim now, funny how many seem to have had full knowledge of it now, I'm pissed at these folks, where were they and their facts of proof then. Hell I also blame these folks that knew and didn't say enough. It's always fun to watch the hindsight train leaving the station, it's full of our best and brightest.
So beyond the assumption that there were lies, what do we really have proof of. Where's the proof they knew this all then. I myself would love some proof, If he lied and we can make it stand up in court I believe he should be up on charges. He should share a cell with the Abu Graib soldiers that couldn't control themselves. All I see is more of the same. Political rhetoric to get the guy or gal someone else wants in office and to slander ourselves as a nation to get a political advantage goes along with that old saying, "don't cut off your nose to spite your face".
I'm beginning to wonder if this nation can stand the test of time. I surely hope so, I surely hope so.
We may look bad as a nation for certain world wide activities of ours, but we look worse for our behavior right here at home.
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
People believed it because our Administration lied to the world about it. THEY knew it wasn't true. Hell, we even sent that stooge Colin Powell to preach to the U.N.
Shameful.
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ORIGINAL: Ostentatious
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ORIGINAL: subboi3382
ummm, hello, u dont remember all the WMDs that were found?
Oh, the ones that were a threat to all mankind?
Did ANYONE believe that in the first place?
Yes, quite a lot of people did. All over the world.
"I'm more of the mind that hopefully this Administration had poor intel, that they built a case for war with a less than suitable network or detectives(CIA)."
Bull,
Actually they knew all the Intel,good ,bad and indifferent.
They chose to cherry-pick the parts that supported their ends and discounted/ignored the Intel that didn`t.
The case against Iraq was thin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo
The Downing Street Memo clearly shows this.
The stories about how the neo-cons were victims of mis-information and bad Intel over Iraq ,is a rouse and a lie.
Whatever the case is,Bush/Chaney/the neo-cons are either completely maleficent asses or complete fuck-ups.
There are no other choices/options here.
< Message edited by Owner59 -- 3/10/2008 8:36:45 AM >
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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 
. I do remember there was widespread scepticism in Europe at the time though. I was in Geneva when they invaded, and even there, in the pink Swiss cloud, people were fuming with anger. 
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