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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 9:07:52 AM

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And was someone earlier on actually questioning what happened in regards to Iraq and the PNAC?

The president's real goal in Iraq
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm

This was always about a power grab, overweening greed, and lobbying from the multitude of businesses that suck from the taxpayer teat as the military industrial complex.

It's funny how GOP members are backpedaling on 8 years of "Bush Jr., the Destroyer." "He's not a real conservative" they say. "It's too bad he listened to those darned Neo-cons" they say. Children, he conned you the moment you voted him in. The GOP has been conning you for at least half a century. Stop blaming someone else.

When we progressives vote Democratic at least we do so with a jaundiced eye and with a desire to scrutinize our candidates every future move. It's not that we love the Dems and think they are beyond reproach - far from it, we reproach them their corporate ties continually. We are probably harsher critics of them than any GOP whored out commentator ever was. We know that politics isn't just a horse race between two parties that don't actually matter at all, and that it's really about controlling our government representatives and attempting to build a better world for ourselves, the rest of the world in peace, and for all future generations.

What politics really isn't and shouldn't be about is these things:
1. War
2. Empire
3. Taking from the poor and middle class to give to the rich, in what I call "Reverse Robin Hood."

Again, I exhort you to wake up!

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 9:14:37 AM

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Well, somebody voted for the sumbitch and it warn't green party people.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 9:27:17 AM

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Ron:

7 years ago I saw all of this bullshit for what it was. 9/11, the anthrax scare, etc. - I knew it was all going to be used for a malignant purpose, if indeed it hadn't actually been engineered by those that would then benefit.

I saw with a perfect 1000 yard stare what was to come. I was called un-American, a terrorist sympathizer, and a whole host of other things. For years I have tried to spread the word, to encourage greater understanding.

And in the main, it's all been for nought - as evidenced routinely on these forums.

The stupidity of the average American is actually appalling. We don't talk about it much because to do so is to place oneself in a position of perceived superiority. But if people understood how we are seen by the rest of the world, how politically astute the average European, Canadian, or South American actually is...

...well, we are hardly the envy of the world the way we imagine we are.

In truth, they fear us. They fear our weapons. They fear our religious irrationality. And they fear our ignorance most of all.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 9:35:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

And was someone earlier on actually questioning what happened in regards to Iraq and the PNAC?

The president's real goal in Iraq
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm

the official emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire, seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It would be the culmination of a plan 10 years or more in the making, carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the opportunity for global domination, even if it means becoming the "American imperialists" that our enemies always claimed we were.

That gets my vote because it is the only rational explanation for Iraq or it gets my vote until someone can produce a more compelling reason for Iraq.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 10:50:32 AM

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If there is one thing I can't stand about Americans is how they vote against their own interests because they believe all of the bullshit propaganda fed to them 24/7 through media channels. Wake up, dummies!

"What Tenet Knew"
by Thomas Powers and Tom Engelhardt
http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=11214

That has to really hurt the chest pounders and drummers here to to see those damn conspiracy theorists actually have A REAL CONSPIRACY. LOTS OF DAMNE EGG ON THEIR FACES NOW!!! CHUCKLE CHUCKLE CHUCKLE!

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 10:52:44 AM

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And they fear our ignorance most of all.

Geezus man those of us who know fear our ignorance more than anyone! We have been taken over by the syndicate!

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 4:47:18 PM

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Iraqi Americans Give Their Two Cents on the War [VIDEO]
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/79120/

Maher: "Stupidity can actually kill more people than evil."

Happyhermit comments: "thank god for schahill. i've heard him before bringing this point home: Obama and Clinton are not anti-war and they are not anti-Iraq-war. both of them will continue the occupation on a massive scale indefinitely."

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I think this fits here - they actually discuss the cost as well.

This is why the next presidency is a preordained disaster. Vote for whomever you like the least.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 6:10:06 PM

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Does the US commander in the ME's resignation mean that the way is being cleared for a war on Iran?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7290826.stm

In 2003, to avoid a repetition of sexed-up intel being used to justify hostilities, the US intel community stated categorically that Iran had halted it's nuclear weapons programme. Admiral Fallon does not support an attack on Iran, so his sudden departure is widely viewed as a prelude to Washington ordering starting a new campaign.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 6:59:25 PM

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Hey, I'm curious about something.

How much would our military budget be over this period of time if we weren't in Iraq?

Would it be alot less? The same? I'm not sure where you could find the difference. Surely someone has figured that up.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 8:43:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Hey, I'm curious about something.

How much would our military budget be over this period of time if we weren't in Iraq?

Would it be alot less? The same? I'm not sure where you could find the difference. Surely someone has figured that up.

about 1/2 way down.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/02/military_spending/index.html

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 8:52:21 PM

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Yes, it would be a lot less. There is a book called The Three Trillion Dollar War; it's by two economists, and it is still legal in this country to read it, even if it is critical of the Administration. You'll find many of your answers there.

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How much would our military budget be over this period of time if we weren't in Iraq?

Would it be alot less? The same? I'm not sure where you could find the difference. Surely someone has figured that up.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/11/2008 9:47:13 PM

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some excerpts

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87855957

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Yes, it would be a lot less. There is a book called The Three Trillion Dollar War; it's by two economists, and it is still legal in this country to read it, even if it is critical of the Administration. You'll find many of your answers there.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

How much would our military budget be over this period of time if we weren't in Iraq?

Would it be alot less? The same? I'm not sure where you could find the difference. Surely someone has figured that up.

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RE: The Three Trillion Dollar War - 3/12/2008 3:46:18 PM

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Thanks for the link.........

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