RE: Racist (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid



Message


Real0ne -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:29:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I'm terribly sorry, Aneirin, but I understood nothing of what you wrote above.


Basically, what I *think* he said is that when someone says something non-pc, but correct, the other side cries 'racist' and the debate is stopped. If  the debate continues after someone calls the non-pc person racist, it is as if the non-pc person agrees with that label...


That bang on target!  In fact it goes even farther in that it is anti-american and anti-constitution since the constitution, the 1st is set up precisely to protect FREEDOM of "political speech" love hate and otherwise, and their object is to gain sympathy and shut down a debate by demonizing the dissentor rather than debating them.








kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:31:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

if you are white, and you voice an opinion (and I'm not talking about calling people names, which also has the same double standard btw) and even mention someone else's race in the discussion such as 'blacks are being given better and more opportunities for advanced education, not due to having better grades or earning higher scores, but simply due to the colour of their skin, and I find it insulting to black people and unfair to whites'.



Do you truly believe that black people are given better opportunities for higher education?




xxblushesxx -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:35:38 AM)

I absolutely know so.
HoneyMaster is a high-ranking higher education person, and He knows so as well.
He is a minority, btw...and thinks people should be given the same opportunites based on grades, test scores, clubs joined etc.
These should be blind applications...by which I mean race should not be known to those making the decisions. It should be performance based, period.
Do you believe it should be some other way?
I find it disrespectful and insulting to minorities, and unfair to the rest.




kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:41:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Do you believe it should be some other way?



Not particularly, but I refuse to believe that black people have an easier time getting into higher education in this country. In fact, I know it isn't so, partly because of the very shameful past you described in an earlier post. You know... until I have been a black woman trying to find a university place or a job in a world where mostly white people hold all the strings, I have little idea about the difficulties she encounters. But something tells me, the prejudice must be immense.

Especially if other people are adamant that she's having a whirly gig of it.




Real0ne -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:43:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

An unspoken point is this...
Were I to make a post critical of Capitalism it would not get the same heated response that would occur if I made a post pointing to the failures present in Africa today or as here noted that multi ethnic societies dont work very well.
On the one hand many would think the post justified but on the other I would be and have been labelled racist.

See? No debate. You are wrong because you are a racist. Simple really ennit ?


You are right on seeks, and add alumbrado, owner, lucky and a few more to that list as well, all of who have labelled myself and others antisemites and racist in other threads for dissenting against the zionists to shut down a debate!

They all scream racism and antisemitism when anyone bashes zionism or puts up the protocols calling it a forgery to imply it was made up when it was a swiss court who determined that the french version was a forgery of the original hebrew version and while I still have not taken the time to read it that has nothing to do with work not being real!  (just that copy or printing)  LMAO

So here you have it:


Rabbis Protesting Israel at the United Nations
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-436910743661532175

Jewish Rabbi: Zionists are Godless Criminal Thugs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3336071482060881517

Zionist Thugs Beating Up Jewish Rabbis
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6922960676167691431


This is Rabbis Protesting AIPAC which is the largest political action commitee in America!  AIPAC is American Israeli political action commitee.

Protesting AIPAC (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hAXEr8AfT0

Protesting AIPAC (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClbNB-qNRA

Protesting AIPAC (Part 3)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3336071482060881517

Protesting AIPAC (Part 4)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7194118650319981296

What Tenet Knew
http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=11214


Orthodoz jews bash zionism calling them thugs, heathens, infidels etc!

I will put my money on the "real" jews not the zionist supporters and or sympathizers  on this board.

So there you go! 

Orthodox jews think you are all thugs and infidels for supporting zionism.   They also explain the difference for those who are not up on it in those video links I posted.










RealityLicks -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:55:42 AM)

Obama has not called Clinton or Ferraro racist, neither has his camp.  The media have addressed the issues Ferraro, as an experienced politician, who reached her position as a result of positive discrimination, has raised.  And raised knowing what would result.  Obama has steadfastly tried to keep race and gender out of it - your views are your own.

Positive discrimination is illegal in my country, yet still whites who fail to make the grade here claim that blacks are unfairly advantaged.  I call that self-pity.  The natural advantage of belonging to the majority hasn't worked for them, so it must be someone else's fault.

It would take a monumental effort of self-delusion to believe that black people in America and across teh western world do not face discrimination in the workplace and education.  If your parents are graduates, you are more likely to become one, giving middle-class white people a big advantage.  Schemes to level that balance seem reasonable to my mind, for all poorer families.  (Weren't there pickets to prevent black students at Old Miss?)

If Obama was benefitting from some unspoken generosity because of his race, why haven't you had a string of black presidents? 

Blushes, the debate about race and disadvantage has been taking place for decades but it seems some of us have simply not paid attention.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 10:57:17 AM)

Unfortunately, Kittensol, whether you refuse to believe it or not, it is a fact of life in most U.S. universities. Some are bucking the trend, such as Texas A&M, by not giving preference to people based on minority status, (they say students should qualify on their own merit).
HoneyMaster works at a major university and can tell you all about it.
That being said; would I accept the preference were I to be offered it based on me being a woman? Uhm...yes.
Would I feel insulted that they felt I 'needed' it to make the playing field level? Absolutely.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:02:25 AM)

Ferraro also called attention to the fact that she would not be where she is were she not a woman. Her comment, while uncouth, was not unfounded. *I* would not have said what she said. I would have questioned his history and ability to run the country. Hell, I like the guy, actually.

I certainly never implied, nor do I believe that minorities are not discriminated against in the workplace, and in every day life. I don't believe that this is what this discussion is about.

My issue is with people calling non-minorities racist when they attempt to have a logical discussion about anything in which race may play a part.

My other issue is that Universities should consider all people on their own merit, not the color of their skin or the dangly parts (or lack thereof) between their legs.




kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:13:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I will put my money on the "real" jews not the zionist supporters and or sympathizers  on this board.



Who are you trying to talk to in particular, RealOne [8|] ?




kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:18:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Positive discrimination is illegal in my country, yet still whites who fail to make the grade here claim that blacks are unfairly advantaged.  I call that self-pity.  The natural advantage of belonging to the majority hasn't worked for them, so it must be someone else's fault.



Exactly.

quote:



It would take a monumental effort of self-delusion to believe that black people in America and across the western world do not face discrimination in the workplace and education.  (...)

If Obama was benefitting from some unspoken generosity because of his race, why haven't you had a string of black presidents? 

Blushes, the debate about race and disadvantage has been taking place for decades but it seems some of us have simply not paid attention.



Not paid attention, or put their blinders on.




popeye1250 -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:18:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Do you believe it should be some other way?



Not particularly, but I refuse to believe that black people have an easier time getting into higher education in this country. In fact, I know it isn't so, partly because of the very shameful past you described in an earlier post. You know... until I have been a black woman trying to find a university place or a job in a world where mostly white people hold all the strings, I have little idea about the difficulties she encounters. But something tells me, the prejudice must be immense.

Especially if other people are adamant that she's having a whirly gig of it.


Kittinsol, "something" told Joe McCarthy that the "Communist Movement" was "immense" too.




RealityLicks -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:22:46 AM)

Well, they are two hugely different topics which have been linked only because they have a certain agenda at heart.

Briefly, no, special favours are not the best way to success.  However, in a discriminatory society, being white is a special favour.  Faced with two equally qualified candidates, too many employers choose to give Bob the job and leave his ethnic-origined equal out in the cold.  Offering a few extra places in Uni is a small palliative to people who will face a lifetime of disadvantage. 

As for people being called racist, the stories I read on Ferraro's comments didn't call her anything of the sort.  I repeat: Obama has not either. 

If people are called racist simply for mentioning race, that's wrong.  But to see Ferraro's comments in that light is very naive.  Did she really think that her blithely raising the one area which Obama has banished from his campaign would not be reported?  And her boss does need a miracle after all ...




popeye1250 -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:33:04 AM)

Gee, you learn something new everyday.
I didn't realise that colleges and unis were such bastions of racism.




masterfixer -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:35:34 AM)

i'm not racist I don't like anyone the same. on the obama thing....i can see  a last name on our president like johnson or anderson or nelson or yokumBUT ...hussein? I don't think so




domiguy -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:38:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: masterfixer

i'm not racist I don't like anyone the same. on the obama thing....i can seeĀ  a last name on our president like johnson or anderson or nelson or yokumBUT ...hussein? I don't think so



Well then you don't have to worry your lil' uninformed head over it...Because "that" is not his last name.

You might not be a racist...But you appear to be extremely ignorant.




masterfixer -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:40:53 AM)

i love guns and explosives




domiguy -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:42:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterfixer

i love guns and explosives


Big surprise.


Don't forget Nascar.




kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:43:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I didn't realise that colleges and unis were such bastions of racism.



You're kidding. Right? A minute of Googling will give you THOUSANDS of serious websites that examine this particular problem. You've had your head in the sand too long: time to extricate it out, pop.




stef -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:43:50 AM)

That's not sand.

~stef




kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/13/2008 11:44:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

That's not sand.

~stef



I was being polite [8|] .




Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875