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Start a PAC thompson, I will help you buy TV ads. 

Why don't you read the "color of leprosy", that will proove beyond any doubt that the Pastors specific allegation is false.  So there we go, stalemate..... 

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Do your own research Thompson....

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060525-aids-chimps.html

OR you could look at this article, or one of hundres of others where they show that in fact AIDS is a wild disease, and the Man Made Conspiricy thoery pushed by political agents, like the good pastor in question, is total Bullshit. 

Not true, Bullshit.....


But of Course National Geographic is part of the evil conspiricy right?   Hence no where near as credible as a book by some dude, that has no scientific peer acceptance, and does not even actually make the claim you are claiming it does.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Meanwhile not every Black Pastor has positive thoughts regarding Senator Obama. In line with the equal access laws I think everyone should watch this Harlem, NYC Pastor's perspective on Senator Obama's Presidential campaign: http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU 

I hope some will listen to, and appreciate, his views regarding AA/EEO.

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You think that bigoted piece of crap has anything useful to say on anything? So let's see how well you do defending recommending a guy who calls Obama, his mother and grandmother 'white trash.'

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You think that bigoted piece of crap has anything useful to say on anything? So let's see how well you do defending recommending a guy who calls Obama, his mother and grandmother 'white trash.'

Interesting...

Defending? Why do you think I need or want to? I think the alternative viewpoint speaks for itself. I present an alternative viewpoint coming from the same demographics as Reverend Wright's church. It should be considered in the same light. Besides, I think they are in basic agreement concerning his mother.

I think the challenge was "What does he say that is factually incorrect?" I'll put that same challenge out there regarding Reverend Manning.  

But help me understand, how is it that he is "a bigoted piece of crap" and not Reverend Wright?

What a great summer of campaigning to look forward too!

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So you don't like being demanded to defend someone who isn't defendable?

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Did I say Wright wasn't a bigot? Do not try and put words in mouth it is getting tiresome to continually having to stop conservatives from trying that particular strawman.

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Did I say Wright wasn't a bigot? Do not try and put words in mouth it is getting tiresome to continually having to stop conservatives from trying that particular strawman.

The world doesn't revolve around you DK. If you didn't see bigotry in Reverend Wright good for you.

BTW - How is posting another view raising a "straw-man" argument, especially when no argument is included. 

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how is it that he is "a bigoted piece of crap" and not Reverend Wright?

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VERY surprised that someone as open minded as you would not watch something and yet condemn it. Doesn't that indicate a prejudicial position?

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His views? Watch the video.   http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

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However, one in particular hit home and was consistent with my thinking; AA is the modern day equivalent to the Jim Crow laws. Holding true the unacceptable stereotype that Blacks are inherently inferior and thus need help to compete equally with Whites.

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Fire away regarding Senator McCain. Enjoy! I think it amusing that mocking his age is acceptable by liberals - the group of "tolerance and acceptance". Letterman's skit about him getting on the wrong plane due to senility was hilarious! I wonder however, if a similar 'satire' with Senator Barrack as the subject enjoying a watermelon, or Senator Clinton doing a tampon ad with a backdrop of a red phone ringing, would have got similar laughs from the audience? See - it's not easy to be consistent is it?

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Thompson, thats a lot of words to admit, you have absolutly nothing to back up your claim that the preacher is telling the truth
That is your claim and not mine.  I realize it is easy for you to argue against what you say....how about we discuss what I said?  Let me repeat it once again for you....perhaps I was unclear the first dozen or so times I said it.
What has the preacher man said that is untrue?  This is a question and is qualitatively different than your statement that what the preacher man says is true.


when he claims that AIDS was created by the US Government to kill blacks.  You can scream
I have not screamed anything.


go read a book that has not been peer reviewed or accepted by anyone.
You appear to be the only one who chooses not to accept what he has written.


Feel free to give some credentials for why I should care about some book by a dude, with no scientific support?
The author of the book "Vaccine A" has won ten journalism awards.  He has been the London bureau Manager and Chief Foreign Correspondent for NBC Radio News.  He is a senior correspondent for Fox News Channel.  He is also published in Science magazine.  Some dude ehh?


The article I posted says,
Yes I read the magazine article and responded to it but I am still unable to find the fictional work you referenced "The color of leprosy".  Where,besides your mind, does this book exist?  I am willing to read books you suggest why are you not likewise so inclined?

"Further genetic analysis linked these chimps to the source of the main strain of HIV-1, the most prevalent form of HIV. The team's findings are to be published tomorrow in the journal Science.
Would that be the same "Science" that the "dude" is published in?


The Cameroonian chimps showed a diversity of SIV strains, with some twice as similar to human HIV strains as any found in captive apes, says study team member Beatrice Hahn, a professor of medicine at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.
"Two clusters [of SIV strains] were very closely related to human strains," she added.
These human strains belong to the M group of HIV-1, the group which has spread among humans worldwide. "
This is all very interesting but not particularly germain to our discussion.  I have asked you before to try to stay on topic.

You made tha claim that everything the PAstor said is true, anc challenged people to name anything.
No that is your claim.  I asked the question...."What has the preacher man said that is untrue?"
If you choose to argue against yourself then why don't you start your own thread and do so?


I (and several others have).  Your reaction speaks volumes about you.

Post some sort of evidence that the US Gov created AIDS to kill blacks, or show everyone here, that you can not, and are not even willing to attempt to back up your claims....
I have no interest in backing up your claims...that is your job.
I have asked repeatedly what the preacher man has said that is untrue.  The only one of his claims that you have chosen to disagree with is the one about AIDS.  This clearly indicates that you find his other statements to be true.  That being the case lets proceed with discussing this claim as soon as you have read the book I have suggested.  It speaks directly to means motive and opportunity.

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That's bull. AA was intended and did serve to promote minorities and women in the face of pervasive racist and sexist elements in our society. Since we have shown ourselves incapable of providing equality of opportunity we tried equality of outcome. That some group of bigots now couches their hatred in terms related to AA is not indicative of much of anything besides that bigots of all sorts remain amongst us.

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So you'd rather he be considered a GWB type liar or grossly stupid about the one area he claims great competence in? Asking if it was senility wasn't an attack but an honest question. We've already had two POTUS in the last century who developed brain disorders that impacted their performance. I'd personally like to avoid a third at this particular juncture.

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That's bull. AA was intended and did serve to promote minorities and women in the face of pervasive racist and sexist elements in our society. Since we have shown ourselves incapable of providing equality of opportunity we tried equality of outcome. That some group of bigots now couches their hatred in terms related to AA is not indicative of much of anything besides that bigots of all sorts remain amongst us.

Regardless of its intent, AA advanced individuals on a basis other than merit.  Far from ending the racism it was meant to confront, AA confirmed  and justified it.

AA programs celebrate the color of skin before the content of character. 

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In order to establish a common definition:
"Bigot" is your acceptable definition anyone who doesn't agree with you?
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.  A bigot is simply someone who is a narrow minded and prejudiced person.  I don't believe I have ever used that word in any other context.


To point...

I love to learn. Explain to me how AA differs from 'Jim Crow' laws?
Jim Crow laws are:

The Jim Crow laws (named after "Jump Jim Crow", a song-and-dance caricature of African Americans) were state and local laws enacted in the Southern and border states of the United States and enforced between 1876 and 1965. They mandated "separate but equal" status for black Americans. In reality, this led to treatment and accommodations that were almost always inferior to those provided for white Americans. The Jim Crow period or the Jim Crow era refers to the time during which this practice occurred. The most important laws required that public schools, public places and public transportation have separate buildings, toilets, and restaurants for whites and blacks. (These Jim Crow Laws were separate from the 1800-66 Black Codes, which had restricted the civil rights and civil liberties of African Americans.) State-sponsored school segregation was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1954 in Brown v. Board of Education. Generally, the remaining Jim Crow laws were overruled by the Voting Rights Act. During the Reconstruction period of 1865-76, federal law provided civil rights protection in the South for freedmen—the African-Americans who had formerly been slaves. Reconstruction ended at different dates (the latest 1877), and was followed in each Southern state by Redeemer governments that passed the Jim Crow laws to separate the races. In the Progressive Era the restrictions were formalized, and segregation was extended to the federal government by President Woodrow Wilson in 1913.
After 1945, the Civil Rights movement gained momentum and used federal courts to attack Jim Crow. The Supreme Court declared legally-mandated, or de jure, public school segregation unconstitutional in 1954, and it ended in practice in the 1970s. The court ruling did not stop de facto, or residentially-based, school segregation, which continues today in many cities. President Lyndon B. Johnson, building a coalition of northern Democrats and Republicans, pushed Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which immediately annulled Jim Crow laws that segregated restaurants, hotels and theaters; these facilities (with rare exceptions) immediately dropped racial segregation. The Voting Rights Act ended legally sanctioned discrimination in voting for all federal, state and local elections.
The above definition is from "Wikki" if you are unhappy with it I would be willing to consider an alternate interpretation of Jim Crow.
How does the above equate to AA?
thompson

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DK,
Its obvious that you can't or won't be consistent.

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So you'd rather he be considered a GWB type liar or grossly stupid about the one area he claims great competence in? Asking if it was senility wasn't an attack but an honest question. We've already had two POTUS in the last century who developed brain disorders that impacted their performance. I'd personally like to avoid a third at this particular juncture.

There was no question. It was given as a statement. Senator McCain is old, The focus of the Lettermen skit was senility as an assumption of fact. The audience roared with laughter. I pointed out the other potential prejudicial assumption of facts.

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I'm just wondering whether he was trying to tell a GWB style lie or is stupid or senile?

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Consistency? A person's age is okay to attack if is suits you. Projecting what could happen doesn't get you off the hook. Should then Senator Clinton's potential to be post menopausal be a topic of concern? How about Senator Obama having a unique ability of the three to contract Sickle Cell?

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No Senator McCain has already committed the 'sin' of being a Republican! I guess you feel that his sin exempts you from hypocrisy when discussing potential consequences for him.

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However, my favorite aspect of your post is refusal to watch the video   http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

"NO" - Refusing to view anything in contradiction is indicative of a closed mind. You "know" the source so that discounts any value. Disclosing that would make any reference provided by you worthless. We "know" you only have a 'one true way', an agenda, and a fixation on "straw-men".

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What about the quotes from Reverend Wright? Good, bad, or indifferent, even made by a person who wasn't Black they are only a perspective given for people to consider. Reverend Manning's serve the same purpose. These contrary opinions hurt? You had to attack the venue, Harlem? Do you find something inherently, prejudicially, wrong with that community and the people who constitute that neighborhood? You should visit. There are a lot a GREAT clubs and restaurants there I can recommend for you. But you'd have to go in with an open mind and not be so fearful, like Senator Obama's White grandmother.