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luckydog1 -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/23/2008 12:31:18 PM)
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No, Hispanic means Spain and anywhere Spain colonized, imposing its language (parts of Africa, Asia, and the Americas) and hauling in slaves. Hispanic is more of a language group (speaking Spanish or ancestors recently spoke Spanish), not a race. Hispanics can be of any color or ethnic origin. Interestingly most Hispanic Americans in the last census self identify as white, as apperantly so do most Mexicans.
Hispanic people can be any hue or color.
In racial catagorization schemes, like Afirmative Action, ect, has to collect data on race to function. Whites and Hispanic whites are often broken down seperatly, because hispanic whites often appear non white to Average Americans (of all colors) and face discrimination. It would be like if in the old days there was Afirmative action, they would have catagorised Irish in a similar way. "White" but not part of the main. Or as I have been called for my bit of Jewish heratige "Not Exactly White", which isn't a paticularly great catagory for a child in Mississippi. But was far better than "kill Haole days" I experienced later in Hawaii. It does suck very much when people you see as friends join in a crowd yelling "kill that Haole'! Fuck him up!!" Then winning a fair fight to get jumped by 3 people. Yet at other times I have been very aware that I recieved huge benefits from White Priviledge". That is absolutly real.
It all is very grey, not really black and white. I have ancestors that were white plantation slave owners, I have ancestors who died in Auswitch. I have ancestors that walked in Virginia a thousand years ago. And I have Blue eyes. I have ancestors raped by the Mongol hoards in Poland. We all have ancestors that owned slaves, and who were owned as slaves. All of us. We all have ancestors that raped and pilllaged for emprire, and that were raped and pillaged for someone elses Empire, in just one generation, they can become the same. Also, every single one of has a Maternal Ancestor that lied about who the daddy was....
Personally, I think America for all of its glaring faults, has been the prime driver of Equality, and this whole idea of the multi culture. American-ism has been the most effective, alternative to mono culturism (which is virtually always fake) the world has ever really seen. Sure the Moslem empire were huge, and covered many cultures, but there was not even a hint of equality among them. Same goes for the Romans or British, or the Chinese, Aztec, Soviet, you name it.
We haven't fully lived up to our ideals, but we are getting there. "GOD DAMN AMERICA"? That Wright is not rotting in a jail cell being tortured for preaching that, is evidence that he is wrong. Wrights hiding in a seperatism/Identity is wrong and backwards. Most of the People in his congregation have more than African based blood in them, why only celebreate the Black? Why teach to reject the ancestors? That is the root of any African based structure, as well as any indeginous group, and all major religions. Honor your Ancestors....ALL of them. Every "white" person has some "black" in them. Every "black" person has some "white", ect ect. We all need to recognize and respect that we all have the same ancestors. Ultimatley the exact same.
I think it is poor teaching and damaging to the recipients,
and don't like seeing Obama only reject it for Political Expediance.
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